RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2019 I doubt pre-setting a route is allowed (unless things have changed drastically) back in the '60s and '70s relay and other interlockings were specifically designed to prevent routes being preset. So either the Signalman(ler) is on the ball or an automatic system is in use I think Stenson is now ARSe since Derby PSB has been abolished - as soon as the tail cleared the track, ARS set the next route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37pits Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I'm sure Stenson does not like to be called AR$£ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted January 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2019 How did the signaller know that your train had cleared North Staffs Jn? If you Google “track circuits” and/or “axle counters” you should get some good info. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 If you Google “track circuits” and/or “axle counters” you should get some good info. But don't google ARSE - at least not at work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggie in the east Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 S-ARS is it's more 'polite' name which has the timetable uploaded to the computer system and regulates the trains as per the timetable. If one or another train is running late, it calculates (or should do) which will impact less on the services and then give a proceed aspect to the favourable train. Once the train has cleared the track circuit and the 'route' has died out behind it, within seconds the computer pulls off for the next one. The compiter can pull off automatically quicker than the signaller can manually clicking the entry and exit signals. Clever system when it works correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) The compiter can pull off automatically quicker than the signaller can manually clicking the entry and exit signals. Is that so? If several sets of points at a complex junction need to move for a new route, will the computer move those unaffected by the passing train first, or will it do them all together (subject to interlocking) once the train is clear? When I worked an NX panel, it was fairly common practice in this situation to move all the free points to their new positions manually (using the individual point switches) so that only those locked by the passing train would need to move once it was possible to call the new route. In such cases, I would argue that a computer is certainly no quicker than a human and possibly slower. Edited January 7, 2019 by Western Aviator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2019 Is that so? If several sets of points at a complex junction need to move for a new route, will the computer move those unaffected by the passing train first, or will it do them all together (subject to interlocking) once the train is clear? When I worked an NX panel, it was fairly common practice in this situation to move all the free points to their new positions manually (using the individual point switches) so that only those locked by the passing train would need to move once it was possible to call the new route. In such cases, I would argue that a computer is certainly no quicker than a human and possibly slower. Going by what is stated in post #5376 the area is now controlled from the ROC at Derby rather than an NX panel in the old(?) signal box, so ARS might actually be that bit quicker than the signaller setting 'free' points manually (using the tracker-ball), but I get the point you are trying to make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Is that so? If several sets of points at a complex junction need to move for a new route, will the computer move those unaffected by the passing train first, or will it do them all together (subject to interlocking) once the train is clear? When I worked an NX panel, it was fairly common practice in this situation to move all the free points to their new positions manually (using the individual point switches) so that only those locked by the passing train would need to move once it was possible to call the new route. In such cases, I would argue that a computer is certainly no quicker than a human and possibly slower. Doesn't save much pre-setting points, when the route is set, all points will be called at the same time and then proved before the signal clears. Whether some are already in position or not will only matter if all points are already set and none need to change. Anyway - this is Jims thread and we are wandering off on a tangent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Anyway - this is Jims thread and we are wandering off on a tangent. Unlike the 153 unit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Anyway - this is Jims thread and we are wandering off on a tangent. Indeed. I forgot which thread I was posting on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggie in the east Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Apologies, good point!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2019 Anyway - this is Jims thread and we are wandering off on a tangent. Good point Dave, my apologies also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Anyhow, here is a train! Got some more from today to add when I get home 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post big jim Posted January 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2019 Today was a loco move hams hall to bescot Convoy from Peterborough with 66719, 66775, 66727, 66705 and 66723 with a flat wagon for added measure We took 2 of them to bescot Then back to hams hall to take an intermodal all the way to Didcot On to the station for the train home, still seems odd seeing electrics in Didcot! Then just for fun coz I could I went via london to get home, first experience of an 800 unit, very sterile inside, seats are hard as everyone knows but still comfy enough The old guard And over to Euston and back to crewe Iport again tomorrow 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post big jim Posted January 10, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 More iport Fuelling again with royal Scotsman 66 lurking And back to coleshill One more day of it this week then a mountsorrel on Friday 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2019 Did you have to clean the numberss to check which loco you were driving? Now black would have shown up the dirt far less - with a nice cast number plate with a red background, perhaps! Jonathan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Today is a revision day for me so at lunch I nipped out to see Jim aboard 66702 working the 4E34 So’ton to Donny Iport container service. Cheers to either Jim or the other crew member for the tones! Thanks, Jack. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 11, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2019 Nice pic, hopefully you will have a different loco next week! Some from yesterday Mountsorrel today 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 What's the story behind the Blue Lightning name? I tried a search with various terms, but couldn't find out why it's called that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2019 Think it had something to do with a kids suggestion at York railfair or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM47079 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I keep thinking of that cider but that’s white lightning.! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2019 After spending 12 hrs on a ballast on it you would he d three litres of white lightning! I remember reading the plaque but can't really remember what it said. Mind over eight years now since I worked on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2019 After spending 12 hrs on a ballast on it you would he d three litres of white lightning! I remember reading the plaque but can't really remember what it said. Mind over eight years now since I worked on it Here its is. https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/5811519054/in/photolist-2ag5dm4-acrurC-9Rxy9o-9Zukmi-comY1L-q4T1SG-fx3V9k-crZXas-e41QDj-oPKjMR-N8PgKt-Ne2qdH Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2019 I knew it had something to do with a kid... Mind scarey that that kid will be twenty this year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 12, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2019 I keep thinking of that cider but that’s white lightning.! ive been calling it 'white lightning' all week or 'blue nun' couple from last night on the mountsorrel ancaster tonight on a possession 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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