trisonic Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Taken just yesterday, a beautiful shot, indeed. At Pownal,Vermont. Photo by Kevin Burkholder. Â http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=432247&nseq=0 Â Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted April 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 Quite a striking livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 No US railroad ever bought an FP9, I think, so these must have started life north of the border. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Did a bit of googling. They started life with CN. (6505 6516)Â Cascaded to VIA and sold to the Conway Scenic Railroad. Who swapped them with PanAm for a GP35 and GP38. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 Here's a "sideways on" shot of them yesterday; also taken by Kevin: Â Â http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=432298&nseq=3 Â Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 That is also a nice short intermodal train... Â A three-set of Thrall? wells with a couple of J B Hunt 53' containers. In N it could be done by using a Kato Maxi IV as the well car set, or by using three units of the Walthers 5-car set if you were willing to compromise on 48' containers. Concor (I think) has done the JBH 53s. Â In HO it is probably easier. Â The only problem I have with those pictures is that the logo is supposed to be on an airplane, not a train... Â Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I think it's an articulated NSC built well car set, Walthers does the drawbar NSC cars in HO so you might be able to kitbash them, or sub the Atlas Thrall or Kato/Intermountain Gunderson 53x3 articulated equivalents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 That's a great picture and the engines are nice and clean (as you'd expect since they were bought to pull the business car), but I have to agree with Adrian, that logo belongs on a plane. The whole Pan Am business always struck me as an odd venture and it ended very badly for Guilford. But credit to them for bringing a touch of class to an otherwise pretty shabby operation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Interesting discussion and links to more pictures of the F units these past few days on railroad.net at http://http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=55043&start=600 Current discussion starts about halfway down the page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 If their intermodal train was a "stack train" with one car, 1/3 full, I can see how it would end badly.  If they were going to do Panam, they should have used a lighter blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 That's the joy of the capitalist system! You can purchase something and do what you like with it (and I hated Pan Am the airline...). I happen to like the darker blue too... Â Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The bit that ended badly was the airline operation. Guilford got into the airline business as Boston-Maine Airways, using the Pan Am brand. They got their hands on three 727s but were reported to the FAA by their pilots for some dubious practices, and the FAA revoked their air carrier certificate. http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Maine_Airways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The bit that ended badly was the airline operation. Guilford got into the airline business as Boston-Maine Airways, using the Pan Am brand. They got their hands on three 727s but were reported to the FAA by their pilots for some dubious practices, and the FAA revoked their air carrier certificate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Maine_Airways  That was after the Pan-Am brand ceased to have any real meaning in air travel anyway (it could be argued that the original Pan-Am had lost its way long before they went bankrupt*).  The dark blue does look good on the locos, and once we get past the 'it should be on an airplane' phase, the 'half wing' logo does suit the F-units. I also like the look of the Pan-Am 'world' logo on dark blue boxcars.  * probably about when they started using the whole side of the airplane to display their 5-letter name... (i.e. their first bankruptcy)  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The first PanAm rail livery was lighter blue, a few GP40 2Ws were painted in it, along with quite a lot of boxcars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 That was after the Pan-Am brand ceased to have any real meaning in air travel anyway (it could be argued that the original Pan-Am had lost its way long before they went bankrupt*).  The dark blue does look good on the locos, and once we get past the 'it should be on an airplane' phase, the 'half wing' logo does suit the F-units. I also like the look of the Pan-Am 'world' logo on dark blue boxcars.  * probably about when they started using the whole side of the airplane to display their 5-letter name... (i.e. their first bankruptcy)  Adrian In practical terms you are right about the Pan Am brand, but it does seem to have appeal to some people judging by the number of attempts to reincarnate it. And it clearly has some meaning to Mr. Mellon, since he bought the naming rights in 1998. The company newsletter is the Pan Am Clipper (or maybe was, they don't have any links after this one so perhaps it's print only http://http://www.guilfordrail.com/xpress/2011q3.pdf and they offer various items of repro travel stuff with Pan Am branding at http://http://www.panam.com/ and advertised on the back page of the Clipper complete with MGA and female driver (bet that went over well with the workforce). It could have been worse for the F units, Mellon might have been a huge fan of Twinkies and bought the naming rights to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Boucher Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 If their intermodal train was a "stack train" with one car, 1/3 full, I can see how it would end badly.  If they were going to do Panam, they should have used a lighter blue.  I live not too far from Ayer.  Usually the intermodal trains are significantly longer than that!   I'm curious why this train was so short.  (I also wish I knew about this, as I was out yesterday at an O scale show with my 8 year old son and 3 year old daughter.  James probably would have liked taking a side trip to Ayer to see these.  Ainsley, maybe not so much...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I live not too far from Ayer.  Usually the intermodal trains are significantly longer than that!   I'm curious why this train was so short.  (I also wish I knew about this, as I was out yesterday at an O scale show with my 8 year old son and 3 year old daughter.  James probably would have liked taking a side trip to Ayer to see these.  Ainsley, maybe not so much...) The railroad.net thread suggests that alone the F units would be restricted to 30 mph, but could run at line speed if they were pulling a train. On an earlier move to get the units down from Maine they pulled a handful of boxcars that were going their way (or to be precise, WAAY) anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Brake force? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Oh, dear......... I'm now getting interested in the F Unit Series.......they do look good though back to back...... Â Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 That was after the Pan-Am brand ceased to have any real meaning in air travel anyway (it could be argued that the original Pan-Am had lost its way long before they went bankrupt*).  The dark blue does look good on the locos, and once we get past the 'it should be on an airplane' phase, the 'half wing' logo does suit the F-units. I also like the look of the Pan-Am 'world' logo on dark blue boxcars.  * probably about when they started using the whole side of the airplane to display their 5-letter name... (i.e. their first bankruptcy)  Adrian  Hmmmm, the Rock Island started putting their name in big letters across the engines, painted them blue and white and they ceased to exist shortly thereafter........  I sense a pattern <G>. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-59 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Guilford was about the only railroad that could improve its reputation by rebranding itself after a failed airline. That said this was pretty little train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Oh, dear......... I'm now getting interested in the F Unit Series.......they do look good though back to back...... Â Best, Pete. Good Chap!! :D Â Homer Simpson Moment...... Mmmmm.... F-Units..... Â Run a model version of the train in the OP, and the "Experts" would be all over you.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Hmm... Intermountain haven't done the PanAm FP9s in N, so it would be a custom repaint... http://www.intermountain-railway.com/n/nloco/nlocfP9.htm  Note: the only N-scale F-units I'd touch are the Kato F3/F7, the Intermountain FT/F3/F7/FP7/FP9, or possibly the Microtrains FT (if I wanted an FT).   Oh, dear......... I'm now getting interested in the F Unit Series.......they do look good though back to back......  Best, Pete.   ... or back to back to back to back... I have an ABBA set of F7s in Santa Fe Warbonnet for my Super Chief.  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Did a bit of googling. They started life with CN. (6505 6516) Cascaded to VIA and sold to the Conway Scenic Railroad. Who swapped them with PanAm for a GP35 and GP38.  I photographed the pair at North Conway in CSR livery in 1998 (I think), when they were principal power on the "Notch Train" up to Crawford Notch.  Do you have any idea what CSR intended to do with the two geeps they swapped them for? I seem to recall hearing that the GP38 was an original Maine Central one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I photographed the pair at North Conway in CSR livery in 1998 (I think), when they were principal power on the "Notch Train" up to Crawford Notch.  Do you have any idea what CSR intended to do with the two geeps they swapped them for? I seem to recall hearing that the GP38 was an original Maine Central one  According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_Scenic_Railroad the two geeps are the primary power for the 'Notch Train' excursion through Crawford Notch.  252 was an original Maine Central GP38, and is an early-style GP38. See pic at http://conwayscenic.com/notch-train/  I noticed in your photo that the CSR scheme for the FP9s matched the old CN scheme, but with different colours (not the one they would have been delivered in) - see http://www.intermountain-railway.com/n/nloco/nlocfP9.htm  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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