No Decorum Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Not that great a picture...... Keith I beg to disagree. It’s the subject matter. Lovely 450. Oh yes, pretty Birdcages as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) This might sound an odd question, but should the middle coach face round a particular way with respect to the brakes? I could not find anything, but you never know. Edited October 2, 2017 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted October 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2017 This might sound an odd question, but does the middle coach face round a particular way with respect to the brakes? I could not find anything, but you never know. In my respect yes!! One end of my middle coach has a Roco coupling (which mates with the Hornby Roco coupling on the leading coach) whilst the other end of the middle coach has a Hornby Roco coupling to mate with the Roco coupling on the trailing coach. . Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 This might sound an odd question, but does the middle coach face round a particular way with respect to the brakes? I could not find anything, but you never know. Several miles back on this thread you'll find reference to https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/SR-and-BRS/SECR-tank-engines/i-6WWHvCq/A ........... you should be able to figure out which way round the Composite goes from this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris45lsw Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Several miles back on this thread you'll find reference to https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/SR-and-BRS/SECR-tank-engines/i-6WWHvCq/A ........... you should be able to figure out which way round the Composite goes from this. If the Non-Lavatory Brake Third is on the left and the Lavatory Brake Third is on the right then the first class end of the Composite is to the left. Chris Knowles-Thomas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted October 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2017 In my respect yes!! One end of my middle coach has a Roco coupling (which mates with the Hornby Roco coupling on the leading coach) whilst the other end of the middle coach has a Hornby Roco coupling to mate with the Roco coupling on the trailing coach. . Keith Bingo, thanks Chris, I've got mine the correct way round!! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I think what I shall do is put small stickers underneath with arrows drawn on them. I used to do that on multiple units before there were clear indications of the orientation of the vehicles on their undersides. In the case of the MUs, I added numbers as well; no need on these. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I think what I shall do is put small stickers underneath with arrows drawn on them. I used to do that on multiple units before there were clear indications of the orientation of the vehicles on their undersides. In the case of the MUs, I added numbers as well; no need on these. I tend to do much the same, but I use a paint marker pen to do the arrows. It's only certain EMUs and fixed coach sets that need this treatment. For example, with Bachmann's 4 CEP units, I know the correct order and orientation of by heart, but Hornby's VEP units need the driving trailers placed at the right ends. My new centre trailer for the 3H unit (ex-2H) also needs this treatment. The SR tended to have particular orientations for their sets, with the first class end of composite coaches always at the same end in relation to the two adjacently numbered brake coaches in 3-sets, but I can never remember off-hand which way that should be. One of these days I'll get around to marking the undersides with arrows as above. It is a useful technique for such fixed sets to assist us in getting them right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Bachmann has helpfully taken to lettering the vehicles in its 350s and 450s with capital letters. Assemble in alphabetical order and with the letters the same way up and all is well. I think it was the 4-CEP where there was a diagram in the instructions showing how the vehicles should be arranged. In an attempt to help, the descriptions were moulded onto the bases. I found that the lights only worked when one of the moulded descriptions was upside down. I’m glad Bachmann thought up something better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Back to birdcages. They also ran with standards, here a BR 3MT (I have not found any pictures of birdcages with a 3MT but 4MT was common enough) and a Brighton built Fairburn 4MT. Below some pics: Overall compared with the LSWR Maunsell rebuilds, the overall quality is about the same. Bachmann have better painted interiors (though Hornby have painted some interior parts as well I believe) but this is really redundant on tightly packed small windows, you certainly will not notice the two different seat colours running on a layout. It is hard to justify the price difference except for the fact that Hornby reuse their standard Maunsell coach chassis whereas Bachmann have tooled up the lot from scratch. Still some very nice coaches from both makes. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Back to birdcages. They also ran with standards, here a BR 3MT (I have not found any pictures of birdcages with a 3MT but 4MT was common enough) and a Brighton built Fairburn 4MT. Below some pics: Overall compared with the LSWR Maunsell rebuilds, the overall quality is about the same. Bachmann have better painted interiors (though Hornby have painted some interior parts as well I believe) but this is really redundant on tightly packed small windows, you certainly will not notice the two different seat colours running on a layout. It is hard to justify the price difference except for the fact that Hornby reuse their standard Maunsell coach chassis whereas Bachmann have tooled up the lot from scratch. Still some very nice coaches from both makes. image.jpg image.jpg The Standard 3 Tanks were never very numerous and those few which found a home on the Southern rarely, if ever, strayed from the South Western - while the Birdcages rarely, if ever, strayed from South Eastern or Brighton metals .......... they might have met occasionally at, say, Guildford or Reading - but coupling as a train would have been rare indeed ( Other than in the NEAR parallel world of Rule 1, of course ! ). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2017 Back to birdcages. They also ran with standards, here a BR 3MT (I have not found any pictures of birdcages with a 3MT but 4MT was common enough) and a Brighton built Fairburn 4MT. Below some pics: Overall compared with the LSWR Maunsell rebuilds, the overall quality is about the same. Bachmann have better painted interiors (though Hornby have painted some interior parts as well I believe) but this is really redundant on tightly packed small windows, you certainly will not notice the two different seat colours running on a layout. It is hard to justify the price difference except for the fact that Hornby reuse their standard Maunsell coach chassis whereas Bachmann have tooled up the lot from scratch. Still some very nice coaches from both makes. image.jpg image.jpg Am I looking at a model railway in the kitchen ? (Looks like the kitchen sink in the top corner), Good man ! - anyone got one in the bathroom ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted October 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2017 The Standard 3 Tanks were never very numerous and those few which found a home on the Southern rarely, if ever, strayed from the South Western - while the Birdcages rarely, if ever, strayed from South Eastern or Brighton metals .......... they might have met occasionally at, say, Guildford or Reading - but coupling as a train would have been rare indeed ( Other than in the NEAR parallel world of Rule 1, of course ! ). Around a third of the total of 45 built (82010-25) were allocated new to 72A Exmouth Junction. Although 82021/2 stayed only very briefly the rest remained until 1962, being then transferred to Eastleigh and Nine Elms by which time all the birdcage stock had gone. Later, examples from other regions came to the SR to eke out their lives at Nine Elms etc. so were quite numerous on the SR compared to other regions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Am I looking at a model railway in the kitchen ? (Looks like the kitchen sink in the top corner), Good man ! - anyone got one in the bathroom ? Ok i have been caught! I have the old kitchen sink and - more importantly - the old bar in the train room. Very handy to have amenities close by. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spannerman Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Ok i have been caught! I have the old kitchen sink and - more importantly - the old bar in the train room. Very handy to have amenities close by. A bar in the train room, what a bold visionary you are! A man living the dream. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Alex TM Posted October 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2017 Am I looking at a model railway in the kitchen ? (Looks like the kitchen sink in the top corner), Good man ! - anyone got one in the bathroom ? Didn't someone once model the "Loo" (sic) branch on a toilet seat. Probably about as safe as it gets to modelling in the little room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Didn't someone once model the "Loo" (sic) branch on a toilet seat. Probably about as safe as it gets to modelling in the little room. I confess, In my photos above, you can see a door behind the sink. That is a little room. Could house a nice 00-9 layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Didn't someone once model the "Loo" (sic) branch on a toilet seat. Probably about as safe as it gets to modelling in the little room. Yes, I have a magazine somewhere with a picture of it. No good for male modellers. Seat up – layout wrecked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Yes, I have a magazine somewhere with a picture of it. No good for male modellers. Seat up – layout wrecked. Sitting down won't do it much good either. Anyone done a layout in a birdcage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestburyJack Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Sitting down won't do it much good either. Anyone done a layout in a birdcage? There was a OO9 layout in a small suitcase at Warley a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Sitting down won't do it much good either. Anyone done a layout in a birdcage? Bum wrecked as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Finally got to see the samples at the weekend? BR livery, ok if you like that sort of thing. SR livery, very nice indeed. SECR livery? Dear god, what were they thinking? I really hope that what I saw was the original sample, and not the re-thought livery. If mine turn up that colour, there will be a set on ebay the following day..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2017 Finally got to see the samples at the weekend? BR livery, ok if you like that sort of thing. SR livery, very nice indeed. SECR livery? Dear god, what were they thinking? I really hope that what I saw was the original sample, and not the re-thought livery. If mine turn up that colour, there will be a set on ebay the following day..... One could always repaint them in a colour of one's choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestburyJack Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Finally got to see the samples at the weekend? BR livery, ok if you like that sort of thing. SR livery, very nice indeed. SECR livery? Dear god, what were they thinking? I really hope that what I saw was the original sample, and not the re-thought livery. If mine turn up that colour, there will be a set on ebay the following day..... Why, what's wrong with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 Why, what's wrong with it? Yes,I'm puzzled by this too.I atm cannot recall such forthright comment on the livery of these forthcoming releases.Perhaps someone could refresh my memory ? Otherwise on the face of it this is a disturbing critique and one that needs an answer from the member concerned please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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