KeithMacdonald Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tallpaul69 said: The trail of the Fish continues...…. I think we know a song about that? Something like: In the brown ridge mountains of Devonia On the trail of the lonesome van In the pale moonshine our trains entwine, Where she carved her headcode and I carved mine; In the brown ridge mountains of Devonia On the trail of the lonesome van Edited March 14, 2020 by KeithMacdonald 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 Elsewhere Mr Isherwood is asking what the second vehicle (unusual coach) is chaps? Any ideas? P 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 I don't recognise it. But it seems unusually wide. A bit of LNWR style to it and probably some sort of catering vehicle. Or even Royal Train? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Clive Mortimore Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: Elsewhere Mr Isherwood is asking what the second vehicle (unusual coach) is chaps? Any ideas? P Yo Mr Duck The coach is an ex LMS diagram D1709 3rd Sleeping Car, converted in WW2 to an ambulance carriage. After it was de-mobbed it was again converted, this time by Eastleigh into a diagram D2195 Pantry Car, but labeled as a Cafeteria Car. Why is on the Western Region you ask? Well the seven conversions were allocated to the WR to start with. They later went home to the LMR. Edit, they were numbered W254 M to W257M and W265M to W269M. The two dots on the lower panels are grille type vents. Edited March 14, 2020 by Clive Mortimore 5 1 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 Page 1500....cor that is a lot. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Page 1500....cor that is a lot. 31 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Yo Mr Duck The coach is an ex LMS diagram D1709 3rd Sleeping Car, converted in WW2 to an ambulance carriage. After it was de-mobbed it was again converted, this time by Eastleigh into a diagram D2195 Pantry Car, but labeled as a Cafeteria Car. Why is on the Western Region you ask? Well the seven conversions were allocated to the WR to start with. They later went home to the LMR. Edit, they were numbered W254 M to W257M and W265M to W269M. The two dots on the lower panels are grille type vents. Knowing all that . . . cor that is a lot! It’s great having such knowledge made freely available. Many thanks, Paul. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Page 1500....cor that is a lot. It is! Well done to this most-popular thread. Regards, Tony. 2 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Yo Mr Duck The coach is an ex LMS diagram D1709 3rd Sleeping Car, converted in WW2 to an ambulance carriage. After it was de-mobbed it was again converted, this time by Eastleigh into a diagram D2195 Pantry Car, but labeled as a Cafeteria Car. Why is on the Western Region you ask? Well the seven conversions were allocated to the WR to start with. They later went home to the LMR. Edit, they were numbered W254 M to W257M and W265M to W269M. The two dots on the lower panels are grille type vents. Write it all down in a book so we can reference it when not near your head. Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, richard i said: Write it all down in a book so we can reference it when not near your head. Richard Hi Richard Looking at the photo I could see it was an LMS style of coach with odd windows. The large blank panel in the middle indicated some sort of catering vehicle. The odd looking windows appeared to be like the ones Eastleigh fitted to their conversions of both ex LMS and ex LNER coaches. So my next port of call was Essery and Jenkinson's LMS coach books, volume 2 as that is the one with the corridor coaches and find which diagram it matches. The rest of the waffle comes straight off the diagram. 6 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 It’s not what you know, it’s knowing who does! Paul. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 18 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Yo Mr Duck The coach is an ex LMS diagram D1709 3rd Sleeping Car, converted in WW2 to an ambulance carriage. After it was de-mobbed it was again converted, this time by Eastleigh into a diagram D2195 Pantry Car, but labeled as a Cafeteria Car. Why is on the Western Region you ask? Well the seven conversions were allocated to the WR to start with. They later went home to the LMR. Edit, they were numbered W254 M to W257M and W265M to W269M. The two dots on the lower panels are grille type vents. Thanks Morty. Your knowledge knows no bounds mate. I love trains like this. Probably never gave them a second glance back then, but now.....great fun and CCTUK will be over the moon. Problem was when you click on that original phot in the original posted question it leads you to looking for hours at pictures of castles and loads of other stuff. P 1 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hi Richard Looking at the photo I could see it was an LMS style of coach with odd windows. The large blank panel in the middle indicated some sort of catering vehicle. The odd looking windows appeared to be like the ones Eastleigh fitted to their conversions of both ex LMS and ex LNER coaches. So my next port of call was Essery and Jenkinson's LMS coach books, volume 2 as that is the one with the corridor coaches and find which diagram it matches. The rest of the waffle comes straight off the diagram. I should have got it. Clearly an LMS underframe but LNW style body. It had to be an early (Period 1) sleeper converted. And I think these have been mentioned in another thread. An interesting vehicle. I think that I will have to look into getting one. Make a nice change from other catering vehicles. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 1500 pages and of how many of those has @2ManySpams spent on the Naughty Step? 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 20 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: Elsewhere Mr Isherwood is asking what the second vehicle (unusual coach) is chaps? Any ideas? P It was you that wrote about this vehicle in the Hills of the North thread back in 2017! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: I should have got it. Clearly an LMS underframe but LNW style body. It had to be an early (Period 1) sleeper converted. And I think these have been mentioned in another thread. An interesting vehicle. I think that I will have to look into getting one. Make a nice change from other catering vehicles. Diagram D1709 were pure LMS period I style coaches built from 1928 until 1931. The last 10 built were steel paneled like a period II coach but retained the high windows of the period I coaches. The corridor side looked like a standard LMS TK. The compartment side had the triple windows of a TK but lacked the doors to the compartments, just having a drop light between the quarter lights. The interiors were originally convertible for night use. Later many were rebuilt with fixed berths. Most of the 40 ambulance train conversions reverted back to sleeper use. 17 ended up as Cafeteria or buffet cars. Information from Essery and Jekinson LMS coaches Volume 2. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: Thanks Morty. Your knowledge knows no bounds mate. I love trains like this. Probably never gave them a second glance back then, but now.....great fun and CCTUK will be over the moon. Problem was when you click on that original phot in the original posted question it leads you to looking for hours at pictures of castles and loads of other stuff. P CCTUK is over the moon !! It was the windows that threw me - the square outline gave the erroneous impression that they had protective grilles. I have always liked these Eastleigh conversions - they give a feeling of what BR coaching stock might have looked like if the Mk. 1 style had not emerged quite so soon. I suppose that they were the mongrels of the coaching stock world! As for time-wasting; I've a feeling that self-isolation, (when it comes to us over-70s), may well lead to serial on-line photo collection browsing when actual modelling palls. Regards, John Isherwood. 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, toboldlygo said: 1500 pages and of how many of those has @2ManySpams spent on the Naughty Step? Not many at all especially as he's probably wondering if all his training for next month's Wolf Run will be in vain. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 Had a cheeky weekend away with the good lady and not expecting any railway connected items until I stumbled across these beasts. What are they and where was I ? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 Is that a Blighter at Plymouth? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Limpley Stoker said: Is that a Blighter at Plymouth? Not even close. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 Pompey? Looks like an LNER van. SR open obviously. No idea about the third. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, colin penfold said: Pompey? Looks like an LNER van. SR open obviously. No idea about the third. The background subject gives the game away. Even @toboldlygo hasn't made a model of her. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, cctransuk said: CCTUK is over the moon !! It was the windows that threw me - the square outline gave the erroneous impression that they had protective grilles. I have always liked these Eastleigh conversions - they give a feeling of what BR coaching stock might have looked like if the Mk. 1 style had not emerged quite so soon. I suppose that they were the mongrels of the coaching stock world! As for time-wasting; I've a feeling that self-isolation, (when it comes to us over-70s), may well lead to serial on-line photo collection browsing when actual modelling palls. Regards, John Isherwood. I like the Gresley Bulleid Buffet from Eastleigh; still haven't finished mine but it is there awaiting attention for the final bits and painting (that's the barrier for me due to the paint issue). Good thinking ref the perusing of pics John! So glad that the identity has been of use. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, gwrrob said: The background subject gives the game away. Even @toboldlygo hasn't made a model of her. Ah, one of the promised 40 new Hospitals. P 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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