RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2017 education, using some suitably graphic images of real-life cases could be an option - but then NR would probably be sued for giving them PTSD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 education, using some suitably graphic images of real-life cases could be an option - but then NR would probably be sued for giving them PTSD probably by the same parents who should have instilled a proper sense of responsibility in their children in the first place. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-41066172 While not a level crossing, it was a crossing. See if you can work out how it happened. I bet that was a surprise, and I hope the person responsible wasn't too badly injured. Going by the condition of the bike it looks as if the bike frame came in contact with the live rail. Possibly the bikes chain was the contact point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Going by the condition of the bike it looks as if the bike frame came in contact with the live rail. Possibly the bikes chain was the contact point. I think it was the front wheelas its missing and in the close up shot you can see what looks like spokes. The handlebars look like where the power left the bike and err, ouch someone is going to have trouble with their next Finney kit. My guess is that the idiot wanted to see how well the tyre insulated against the third rail. Ooh is that a lump burnt out the end of the juice rail? Awesome. Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanders Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 education, using some suitably graphic images of real-life cases could be an option - but then NR would probably be sued for giving them PTSD Time to start showing The Finishing Line and the like in schools again? It's even on YouTube so it should be easy enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold daveyb Posted September 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) Ignoring the legal issues mentioned above there is one very big difference between a crossroads and a level crossing. At a cross roads a red light means "it's the other drivers "turn" ( even if there is no other driver)". At a level crossing not only is it the train's "turn" but also there actually IS a train coming. For a while Lurgan level crossing on the Northern Ireland Railways network had normal traffic lights but because of a different problem. Lurgan had a set of four traditional gates opetated by a wheel in the signal box but the road was so busy that traffic would not stop to let the signalman close them. The traffic lights resolved the problem . That set of crossings has a lot more issues than people ignoring the the crossing keeper... the locals regularly placing hoax bombs for one!... there's some real LC stupidity! Edited September 2, 2017 by daveyb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2017 The hoax bombs are normally at nearby Bells Row and Lake Street crossings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Jonboy Posted September 4, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2017 http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-of-britain/taylor-phinney-apologises-disqualified-tour-britain-349236 Seems the uci have got their act together at least. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted September 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2017 http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-of-britain/taylor-phinney-apologises-disqualified-tour-britain-349236 Seems the uci have got their act together at least. I'd like to think that under those circumstances I'd have done the right thing....but I can see how this happened and I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has made a decision under pressure and realised immediately afterwards it was the wrong one. It does seem rather unfortunate to have a level crossing on a race course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Level crossings have caused many problems in cycle races for many years ,if a breakaway goes over one and the main bunch is delayed the break is stopped for the same time as the bunches delay this keeps everything fair.Although in the 1950,s riders regularily climbed over the barriers but luckily no one was ever injured and then the UCI brought new regs in during the sixties ,which crossing did Taylor Phinney go through as I only saw two and both sets of rails looked very rusty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) which crossing did Taylor Phinney go through as I only saw two and both sets of rails looked very rusty? The report linked to above says 40k to go so, looking at the stage 2 route, my guess would be Widdrington where the B1337 crosses the ECML. I really wouldn't want to chance it crossing the ECML in open country! (There's a yellow road that crosses the ECML on the level immediately after it turns off the A198 from Seton to Longniddry. Gives me the wig every time I see the crossing as I drive past. Those IC225s don't hang about along there if they can help it, and if anything were to go wrong...) I'd take a punt on the rusty rails crossings being probably the ones on the A1061 at South Newsham and the A1068 at Choppington. (Those were closer to the finish and probably more likely to appear in the highlights.) Edited September 5, 2017 by ejstubbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 We don't often see them this way round. Someone passed me this last night. The caption with it read "Tuesday 11th April 1950 the 2.20 p m Cleethorpes to Sheffield crashed into Cleethorpes Road level crossing. Nobody was injured". If this is 'Cleethorpes Road', I'm guessing it's not in Cleethorpes. Anyone know where it is? There's nothing for that date in the Railways Archive. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cocks Junction Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 It is "Cleethorpe Road", the train has almost reached Grimsby Docks station, travelling from Cleethorpes. - Have a look on the map; http://maps.nls.uk/view/114645459. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2017 We don't often see them this way round. Someone passed me this last night. The caption with it read "Tuesday 11th April 1950 the 2.20 p m Cleethorpes to Sheffield crashed into Cleethorpes Road level crossing. Nobody was injured". Cleethorpes_road_1950.JPG If this is 'Cleethorpes Road', I'm guessing it's not in Cleethorpes. Anyone know where it is? There's nothing for that date in the Railways Archive. Perhaps the wind blew the gates shut? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2017 http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-of-britain/taylor-phinney-apologises-disqualified-tour-britain-349236 Seems the uci have got their act together at least. Shame he also didn't apologise to the rail users he potentially put at risk of delayed journeys and possibly far worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I seem to recall trains went through the LC gates at Clayton Bridge on a fairly regular basis. When I was still taking numbers, long, long ago, there were at least two occasions when sets of gates were left smashed up at the side of the track. In that sense at least the new barriers must be an improvement. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I seem to recall trains went through the LC gates at Clayton Bridge on a fairly regular basis. When I was still taking numbers, long, long ago, there were at least two occasions when sets of gates were left smashed up at the side of the track. In that sense at least the new barriers must be an improvement. Was there a board some distance away instructing train crews to 'Stop and pin down brakes'? There were occasions where crews pinned down insufficient brakes to descend a gradient, so that the weight of the train was too great for the loco brakes alone- I witnessed this several times on the line behind my parents' house. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted September 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Today in Lincoln. http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2017/09/video-brayford-wharf-east-closed-level-crossing-barrier-ripped-off/ Barrier ripped off by a cyclist? Edit: Added later: One eyewitness told reporters they saw a cyclist “chance it” at the last minute and become tangled in the barrier. Edited September 6, 2017 by highpeakman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 You have to wonder at the sanity of people who risk a physical collision with a train for the sake of a minute or two. Life is full of risks, and we all take them. But there's a difference between climbing a tree without a hard hat and throwing yourself under a tank. Are people so cosseted, so precious these days that they have lost the skill to make sensible judgements? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 6, 2017 You have to wonder at the sanity of people who risk a physical collision with a train for the sake of a minute or two. Life is full of risks, and we all take them. But there's a difference between climbing a tree without a hard hat and throwing yourself under a tank. Are people so cosseted, so precious these days that they have lost the skill to make sensible judgements? Are there more of them (proportionally, there are far more people around anyway), or do we just hear more about them since news is so easy to hear about? Hitting a level crossing barrier might've once just made the local paper. There wouldn't be videos around at all of people who went through but nothing got hit. You'd probably only hear of it further afield when people got hurt. That said I wouldn't be surprised if the answer to your question was "yes." Grow up never having to be responsible for yourself and you'll never be able to, although there have always been some people without any sense whatsoever since the dawn of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 6, 2017 Are there more of them (proportionally, there are far more people around anyway), or do we just hear more about them since news is so easy to hear about? Hitting a level crossing barrier might've once just made the local paper. There wouldn't be videos around at all of people who went through but nothing got hit. You'd probably only hear of it further afield when people got hurt. That said I wouldn't be surprised if the answer to your question was "yes." Grow up never having to be responsible for yourself and you'll never be able to, although there have always been some people without any sense whatsoever since the dawn of time. I tend to take a dim view of how much common sense there is around these days. However, having recently rented a cabin cruiser for a week and seen how utterly minimal the instruction you get is and how much is left to common sense, it's left me a bit more optimistic. Generally the boats seem to come back upright, with all occupants alive and only minor dents. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 6, 2017 We don't often see them this way round. Someone passed me this last night. The caption with it read "Tuesday 11th April 1950 the 2.20 p m Cleethorpes to Sheffield crashed into Cleethorpes Road level crossing. Nobody was injured". Cleethorpes_road_1950.JPG If this is 'Cleethorpes Road', I'm guessing it's not in Cleethorpes. Anyone know where it is? There's nothing for that date in the Railways Archive. This reminds me of my deaf friend who was cycling to work in the fog towards the infamous Durham Ox LC in Lincoln during the 1950s. He told me that "something" made him stop just before the gates that were open to the road. Luckily he did because the next second a steam loco crashed through the gates! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2017 I tend to take a dim view of how much common sense there is around these days. However, having recently rented a cabin cruiser for a week and seen how utterly minimal the instruction you get is and how much is left to common sense, it's left me a bit more optimistic. Generally the boats seem to come back upright, with all occupants alive and only minor dents. Going slightly off topic (your fault ) one of the best bits of entertainment in our part of the world is going down to the nearest lock and watching the grockles 'navigating' their way towards and through the lock - totally incomprehensible why so many of them totally misunderstand the way in which a boat moves when you turn the steering wheel in any particular direction. PS We used to get regular level crossing 'incidents' in the local 'paper but that has since been converted from an AOC(L) to an AOC(L)+B and its idiot value has declined. One of the more amusing (unpublished) stories was how a police car drew up to the crossing one day when the red lights weren't showing and one of the coppers got out of the car and went and looked up & down the line before waving his colleague over the crossing. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Going slightly off topic (your fault ) one of the best bits of entertainment in our part of the world is going down to the nearest lock and watching the grockles 'navigating' their way towards and through the lock - totally incomprehensible why so many of them totally misunderstand the way in which a boat moves when you turn the steering wheel in any particular direction. So you're one of the 'gongoozlers' that come (usually with pint in hand if there's a nearby hostelry) watch us experienced canal navigators expertly manoevre our way through the locks, offering all sorts of 'helpful' advice then... Edited September 7, 2017 by talisman56 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I have only just come across this which looks like a wrong side failure: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/near-miss-at-magdalen-road-level-crossing-watlington Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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