Horsetan Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 ...There is a third possibility - get hold of a cheap older version of the Triang-Hornby model and use the chassis and tender drive.... Not sure that the Margate wheelbase is correct. This needs to be checked, because in 1981 when Hornby released its 4-4-0 quartet, I recall there were two different chassis to fit the four 4-4-0s; one fitted the GW County and the Compound, whilst the other went under the "Schools" and the "Shire". As I understood it, the standardised Margate wheelbase on one chassis was incorrect for at least one of the engines (possibly the Compound) and maybe one of the others as well..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Rugby Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Bought a schools today. Quality is very good for the price For a copy the finish is very good, I'd like to know how they make the copy. Do they create a mould from an existing model and then add details? Presumably a bit similar to the rather crude black "Coal" loco shelf models which have been sold for some years. Use of the current schools is quite encouraging for future models - i do hope GBL use the up to date model for the LMS Class 5. One small point on the livery finish. Both the loco and the tender carry the loco number 828 which is incorrect, the number was either on the tender or the loco at different times but not both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2014 I bought two today, in Eastleigh appropriately. What a contrast to the 28xx. I managed to get them with the chimneys the right way round. I'll probably repaint one in olive green. Pete 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2014 I may get more, one to finish in wartime black. If I don't motorise them they'll be fine for being on shed, a different livery for each operating era. I'm also looking at livery variations from the late 30s. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Is anybody willing to post some well-lit, clearly focussed, BIG pictures of the new loco to put this discussion into context? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinty55 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Just bought today in Dorchester. Checked for chimney was the correct way round, but did not notice the dodgy paint work and smokebox door at 90 degrees! Part of the motion is broken on one side, but registration of paint on left hand smoke deflector plus numerous scratches and missed paint on corners of tender means a repaint. I was only going to use it under the Ratio Loco Hoist so not too bothered. I have only bought the Mallard previously. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I wonder if the quality, of the schools, coming now is somewhat accidental. The original lists claimed it to come earlier and it was shown as number 4 in the adverts so maybe it was originally meant to come fourth so I don't expect the quality to remain as high, I think it will drop again before it gets better if it even does. Rhys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I wonder if the quality, of the schools, coming now is somewhat accidental.... The misaligned smokebox door and slavish copy of misaligned valve gear (see union link and combination lever) certainly gives it a charm all of its own..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Quality seems variable saw some this morning all had glue marks, frosted glazing and boiler bands with very wavy lining out lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Has anyone here subscribed and received theirs in the post yet. I have and the payment went from my account two weeks ago, but as yet I have not received and models. I suspect they are using surnames alphabeticaly, in which case I will get mine last! cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The misaligned smokebox door and slavish copy of misaligned valve gear (see union link and combination lever) certainly gives it a charm all of its own..... Ok quality was poor choice of word but what I mean is its better than the 28xx. Rhys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 What I meant was the A4 was brilliant, the Duchess just as good, the A3 wasn't too bad but the 28xx was fairly dreadful, I just wondered if the schools should have come after the Scotsman but they changed it for whatever reason after all the lists and adverts show it as number 4. Rhys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Actually, driving a horse and cart through my own theory but could those be separate handrails on the 9F? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2014 Rather oddly didn't notice any in Smiffs in Brum. I may have missed them as the displays seem to move around somewhat. Still got a fair few 28XXs though. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatheringMan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hi Rhys, Although you 'might' be right about the handrails on Evening Star time will tell. Don't read too much into the picture on the website though as what you see might just be something different - lets say not the GBL release version perhaps. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 For those who fear that they have missed out on a "Schools" class loco, talking to my local newsagent this morning, he tells me that here, in Derby area, the recall date for unsold issue 5 items is the 30th of April. The local wholesaler will have unsold returns for a couple of days and any newsagent should be able to get one in that short time window. After that they should be available on "back order" if your local man will play ball. I don't see the big boys (Smiffs et al) jumping through the hoops but the smaller guys may do so if you ask nicely.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Buhar Posted April 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2014 Could some kind soul please take a pair of calipers and a ruler to the Schools boiler and give me the outside diameter and length, I have an idea. From the reported shortages, these do seem to be selling well which augers well for not having to subscribe to get the few I want as the series continues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Managed to get 3 at my local ASDA yesterday all had the chimney cap backwards and the smoke box door 90 degrees! Amateurs LOL. Other than that much better than the 28xx just a shame it doesn't have separate handrails. Only problem is I can't seem to get the body separated from the chassis took the two screws out of the keeper plate but it looks like it may be glued in by the cylinders and maybe the front frames. Didn't want to destroy it totally so any tips? Cheers Trailrage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinty55 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 23.3mm dia (difficult to measure with mouldings in the way) Cab to front of smokebox 101mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawk Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) Has anyone successfully prised the smoke box door off, and if so, what is the trick? I am a little apprehensive, and don't want to damage the model. Edited April 18, 2014 by Nighthawk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 To remove the smokebox door use a small screwdriver or a scalpel blade. Gently ease the door off the door is glued in so go carefully. Work your way around the door it's not too difficult a job. Just take your time good luck and let us know how you get on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hill Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Just bought today in Dorchester. Checked for chimney was the correct way round, but did not notice the dodgy paint work and smokebox door at 90 degrees! Part of the motion is broken on one side, but registration of paint on left hand smoke deflector plus numerous scratches and missed paint on corners of tender means a repaint. I was only going to use it under the Ratio Loco Hoist so not too bothered. I have only bought the Mallard previously. IMG_2427.jpg IMG_2428.jpg IMG_2429.jpg IMG_2430.jpg IMG_2431.jpg IMG_2432.jpg IMG_2433.jpg IMG_2433.jpg IMG_2434.jpg My one has the same issue. Smokebox door 90 degrees the wrong way. I saw some in my local Smiths which all had the same problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 23.3mm dia (difficult to measure with mouldings in the way) Cab to front of smokebox 101mm Outer boiler diameter is meant to be scale 5'9" over cladding, so the GBL moulding is virtually dead-on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I have seen it today in my local Asda and I have not bought it, I am not convinced! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawk Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 To remove the smokebox door use a small screwdriver or a scalpel blade. Gently ease the door off the door is glued in so go carefully. Work your way around the door it's not too difficult a job. Just take your time good luck and let us know how you get on. Thanks for that. It worked with a fine screwdriver, so now it's in the correct orientation. I can't believe it though - I searched carefully good quality examples but missed the fact that my Schools one and the A3 have a missing buffer each. I'm going to have to buy another for the spares. Really stupid mistake! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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