RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 I have just received (courtesy of RMWeb Classifieds) an OO model of 10203 (Silver Fox body on a Mainline Peak chassis). It's a nice model although not, of course, up to the standards of recent r-t-r. I rather suspect that 10201 - 3 has to be the next specialist commission from a retailer to one of the mainstream manufacturers. I've always had a liking for these unusual looking diesels and always regretted not buying a secondhand model at Beatties (High Holborn) back in the 1970s, even though it had been painted in rail blue. Their salesman didn't know what it was and it was cheap as a result. Somebody got a bargain. What with this purchase and the temptation of a Hornby 2-BIL, I am thinking that I may just have to be distracted by a quick OO project. Can anyone indicate locations where 10203 ran on the SR, preferably with short trains? And where did it run when on the LMR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 JosephSee my page on the semg website here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Just for Info, I believe that Kernow has comissioned 10201, 10202, 10203 in RTR form. Probably from Dapol, knowing their established working relationship And jsut to ensure that my post isnt a complete irrelvance , my uncle used to work on the LMR, and says that these diesels used to run through Lea Hall and Stechford quite often Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 After they were transferred to the LMR they were regular performers at New Street on the morning train from Euston returning in the early afternoon. http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrbns_br389.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2013 After they were transferred to the LMR they were regular performers at New Street on the morning train from Euston returning in the early afternoon. http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrbns_br389.htm Always thought the black & silver suited these diesels well. Use to see them often in New St. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 22, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 Always thought the black & silver suited these diesels well. Use to see them often in New St. Keith Same seller had a black and silver one as well - but possibly of different manufacture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 22, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 Joseph See my page on the semg website here Thanks, Graham. Very useful. On linked theme, I knew that 10000/1 had been used to Bournemouth but not that they were used on Salisbury-Exeter (now my local line). At that time, they were heading premium trains, too long for the sort of project I have in mind. I am hoping to find some pictures from later (around 1960) with short freight or parcels trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixM Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Hello, it is possible to trace 10203 through history just with the help of flickr. Advertising brochure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29903115@N06/4303134786/ 1955: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/7849339522/ Undated but roughly at the same time: http://www.flickr.com/photos/70607220@N04/6803188328/ Again undated: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/8271017271/in/photostream/ 1957: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitzys_pyx/6789378720/ 1957 again: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/6885575752/ 1958: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffsimages/6950260607/ 19.05.1962: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/4231636370/ On or after december 1963: http://www.flickr.com/photos/photoze/6015598631/ 25.08.1964: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13156785@N06/8252982954/ 29.08.1964: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltic_baggie/7948404666/ 28.08.1965: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltic_baggie/7948404988/ 27.08.1966: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5700479805/ 21.03.1967: http://www.flickr.com/photos/johngreyturner/3901865504/ 26.08.1967: http://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/4254582072/ Sometime after the last one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/actonwellsjunction/6260851761/ All dates taken from the photo descriptions which necessarily are true. Felix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2013 Does anyone know whether they ran in black on the LMR at all? All the photo evidence seems to show them repainted to green with late emblem once transferred to the LMR, although in the back of my mind I thought I saw one of them still in black in New St. Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2013 Seeing the photo of the bogies on a wagon reminded me that I saw some at Crewe Works when I was working there in 1968. They were parked outside the Tender Shop. I was told that they were used as transport bogies for moving Class 40s around when the bogies were removed for overhaul but I never saw this myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2013 Does anyone know whether they ran in black on the LMR at all? All the photo evidence seems to show them repainted to green with late emblem once transferred to the LMR, although in the back of my mind I thought I saw one of them still in black in New St. Cheers Keith In the picture I linked in post #5 10202 at New St carries the early emblem and broad waistband line. This looks to be the same livery as the Dynamometer Car shot of 10203 linked in post #8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2013 In the picture I linked in post #5 10202 at New St carries the early emblem and broad waistband line. This looks to be the same livery as the Dynamometer Car shot of 10203 linked in post #8.It certainly looks like black. I assume then I did see them in that livery. Usually seen on platform 3 on the way to Euston.(I would have been standing with all the other spotters at the end of platform 6!) I wonder how long they lasted on the LMR before green was applied? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2013 All of the pictures in green that I have seen are late crest. One on Robert Carroll's flickr site linked above shows 10203 in green in 1957. My guess would be that they all got done around the same time as the LMS Twins in late 1956. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 10203........the first diesel I ever saw. My Gran used to take me to Crewe Stn as youngster, and I remember it vividly.....what on earth was this thing? I would have been about 8 yrs old, it must have been 1956/1957....... I remember asking the driver if he could close the door as he was stood in the doorway, and I couldn't get all the number. Can't wait till someone does an r t r model of this one .... A must have for me for those reasons. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 28, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2013 Many thanks to all - especially for the photo links. As so often, photographers have concentrated on the locos themselves rather than the train behind them! I still hope to find a picture of 10203 with a short parcels/freight train that I can fit on a small layout and is within the capacities of the old Replica/Mainline chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Just for Info, I believe that Kernow has comissioned 10201, 10202, 10203 in RTR form. Probably from Dapol, knowing their established working relationship And jsut to ensure that my post isnt a complete irrelvance , my uncle used to work on the LMR, and says that these diesels used to run through Lea Hall and Stechford quite often Can anyone confirm this possibility as yet, I havent seen anything announced anywhere.?? Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 28, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2013 It has been known to visit Hanging Hill loco shed now and then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Not Captain Kernow Posted January 28, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2013 Can anyone confirm this possibility as yet, I havent seen anything announced anywhere.?? Bob Try this topic: - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/21193-kernow-models-announcements/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Thanks for pointing Try this topic: - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/21193-kernow-models-announcements/ Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, that one had completely missed my radar.......I see the last post on that thread was over 2 years ago, I might try and resurrect it. Cheers.....Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthesod4479 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Waaaaay back in the days when steam was the norm, our mob of spotters did our fortnightly trip round the London Termini. The Royal Scot came in ,and as headed by all Thre of the SR diesels. Usually it was DH but apparently, according to the driver, one was 'reet poorly' so the third was added on around Crewe IIRC Also saw the LMS twins on it several times, but nothing a gorgeous as a Duchess, and we were brought up on th Lea Valley Line and the old LNER( i am not that old!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2013 i've read that 1 & 2 would usually work the royal scot in multiple as they were 1750hp each but 3 would do it solo as it was 2000hp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2013 i've read that 1 & 2 would usually work the royal scot in multiple as they were 1750hp each but 3 would do it solo as it was 2000hp That was the norm for WCML express work. It was when 10201 and 10202 were working in multiple on the LMR that they had those stupid looking doors added to their front. 10201 and 10202 when working in multiple seemed to be paired with the number one ends faceing outwards http://www.flickr.com/photos/sludgeulper/4796559969/ is an example. The practice was also applied to 10000 and 10001, normally. I have seen a few photos of them with the number one ends facing inwards but they are normally outward facing. I have not seen a photo of 10000 and 10001 or one of 10201 and 10202 when paired in multiple facing the same way. I have no idea why this should be so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I clearly now understand that the model of 10203 will not be available until 2014. But, thats an awful long time to wait from its first announcement in Sept 2010.........I understand the difficulties in bringing something from the drawing board to fruition, but I'm thinking that nearly 4 years is perhaps a bit long. Please dont misunderstand me, I am the first to congratulate Kernow Models for embarking on the project with Dapol. I also understand that it is a bit of "getting a stake in the ground" so as to speak, to deter other manufacturers from producing the same model. Is this the future I wonder..........models to be promised so far into the future......based on this length of time to wait for a model, I would be a bit wary of pre ordering anything into the future, even though your card will not be debited until despatch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2013 This particular part of the future - the limited-run model of a limited-run prototype - is being handled in various ways round the world. In some cases the promoter says he will procure a run if sufficient pre-orders are received. Thus his stake-in-the-ground will prevent others plunging in the same pool (mixed metaphors available while you wait!), but if too few pre-orders surface, then even his model may never get built. In this case, Kernow have taken the risk that the model will sell, but are not pushing Dapol until all the details are known and a production slot may be available in China. That gives potential customers time to get their budget in order, thus probably underwriting the required number of sales for a commercial success, in turn keeping Kernow in profitable business and enabling them to identify further implausible models for us to buy. At the end of the day, none of us dies in a ditch because this or that model - or even both of them - is not available until a year or two after the initial forecast date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2013 The other thing that has to be remembered is that Kernow have a whole succession of announced models under development - the O2, the push-pull set, and the D6XX plus various livery/weathering 'specials' on upcoming Dapol models and the Thumper nearing production. I don't think anyone except the very largest of manufacturers could push through a programme of that size without it being anything but linear, i.e. one follows the other and is followed by the next. There is the simple matter of research usually in that particular list on prototypes that no longer exist and where drawings might be hard to find, all of which can spin out development time. Then there is the matter of finance - we haven't got a clue what Kernow's financial arrangements are with their manufacturers and whether or not they involve money up front or cash on delivery but which ever it is each model will at some stage consume a chunk of capital which then has to be serviced, and recovered through sales - quite likely before the next chunk of capital can be invested into the next model? So some amount of stakes in the ground is probably unavoidable - and quite sensibly so as a small company hardly wants to go lashing out cash 'in the hope of' whatever. Then of course there is the commissioned company's workload - clearly they can't do everything at once either and, as the Hornby experience of late has shown, no manufacturer (if that is still the correct word for them?) is immune from production delays. So, as Ian has so emphatically put it, none of us is going to die in a ditch because this or that model is taking time to appear. I'm patiently waiting for my two D6XX from Kernow and I have been waiting for a 42XX tank for at least 40 years - few months or a year or two is hardly going to be a nuisance with timescales like those around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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