Special Wagons & Traffic - photos from the NRM

[flapland]

D8036 on the front.  You will see the transformer was made to fit that bridge at Llanrwst.

  Another one went , another day and was filmed for British Transport Films (Measured for Transport) Does anybody know what date ?

Love this article, was brought up near Hollinwood and also went for an apprenticeship at Ferrenti's the makers of the transformer who built them in Hollinwood. Didn't get it and not too many years the later they shutdown. Site now a print works.

 

Of course the line this train went down is now part of the Manchester Tram system.

Edited December 24, 2012 by flapland

[Southernman46]

Amazing - hadn't appreciated the load section could be traversed on these wagons to clear obstructions

[dana]

 heres another pic of that canada car  colourized  from shorpy  ( a photo site )  http://www.shorpy.com/node/9629

[dana]

here's some links and info

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-roadfarm.htm

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-unusual.htm

anyone heared of vickers vigor or seen one ?

http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/12-linind/v-plant.htm

 

merry christmas

[jonhall]

From British Railways Magazine (LM) Jan 1959

 

 

Jon

[Fat Controller]

Jon,

These are Flatrol ELLs.

[Fat Controller]

here's some links and info

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-roadfarm.htm

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-unusual.htm

anyone heared of vickers vigor or seen one ?

http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/12-linind/v-plant.htm

 

merry christmas

Here's a link to a photo of one:-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackcountryman/4368379713/

It looks as though it's been built from bits of left-over Cromwell tank. I believe there's a model available from one of the military vehicle specialists.

[PhilJ W]

here's some links and info

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-roadfarm.htm

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-unusual.htm

anyone heared of vickers vigor or seen one ?

http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/12-linind/v-plant.htm

 

merry christmas

The Vickers Vigor was based on the Tetrache light tank. Both were designed for use by Airborne forces and carried in the Hamilcar gliders.

[Mark Saunders]

From British Railways Magazine (LM) Jan 1959

 

specialload-BRmagLM-Jan-59.jpg

 

Jon

Nice to see the Warflat B's as spacers/weight reducers.

 

Mark Saunders

[jonhall]

I knew I'd seen drawings of the stator wagon, but couldn't find them, turns out they were published in MRN Feb 49

 

Jon

 

[jonhall]

From British Pathe

 

<h2>AN AWKWARD LOAD</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/an-awkward-load/query/freight+train"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=33676&num=10&size=thumb" title="AN AWKWARD LOAD" width="352" height="264" /></a>

[jonhall]

A nice bit of footage from Parsons inside the factory, alas no special wagons, just a bogie in the test hall.

 

<h2>PARSONS - GENIUS OF POWER - reel 2 also known as Parsons' Turbines</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/parsons-genius-of-power-reel-2-also-known-as/query/goods+train"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=80295&num=10&size=thumb" title="PARSONS - GENIUS OF POWER - reel 2 also known as Parsons' Turbines" width="352" height="264" /></a>

[jonhall]

<h2>CLEAR THE LINE</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/clear-the-line/query/power"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=10145&num=10&size=thumb" title="CLEAR THE LINE" width="352" height="264" /></a>

[jonhall]

<h2>A RECORD LOAD</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/a-record-load/query/trains"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=33474&num=10&size=thumb" title="A RECORD LOAD" width="352" height="264" /></a>

[jonhall]

<h2>WORLD'S LARGEST RAILWAY WAGON</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/worlds-largest-railway-wagon/query/trains"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=18940&num=10&size=thumb" title="WORLD'S LARGEST RAILWAY WAGON" width="352" height="264" /></a>

[jonhall]

<h2>RECORD RAILWAY LOAD</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/record-railway-load-1/query/trains"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=19969&num=10&size=thumb" title="RECORD RAILWAY LOAD" width="352" height="264" /></a>

[kryten65]

A nice bit of footage from Parsons inside the factory, alas no special wagons, just a bogie in the test hall.

 

<h2>PARSONS - GENIUS OF POWER - reel 2 also known as Parsons' Turbines</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/parsons-genius-of-power-reel-2-also-known-as/query/goods+train"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=80295&num=10&size=thumb" title="PARSONS - GENIUS OF POWER - reel 2 also known as Parsons' Turbines" width="352" height="264" /></a>

Jon

Many thanks for sharing this one, through work we deal with Siemens, the current owner of the Parsons works.. I'd love to show this to the current Elf in a Safetree man "Billy Clipboard" as he's affectionately known! he has kittens with our drivers getting on the trailers... so the scenes of people riding the casting through the planer would have him in apoplexy!!!

 

it's been massively downsized over the years, this is the team from work moving a long stored 275t stator out of one of the shops, now somewhat desolate compared to the film

Stuart Cam 01 038 by Kryten65, on Flickr

 

and possibly the rudder horns were from Wolsingham forge, another sadly gone

 

Thanks

 

Dave

[adrianbs]

 Hi  All  HELP!!!   I cannot find the reference to the original information this forum/site refers.  The photos are of great interest and especially some of the videos as well..

        I have been researching some of these wagons for many years but until recently access to the Photo files a York was not possible. I have a copy of the recent

        drawings lists and have been to the study room to try and track down some of the drawings which have been made available from the Darlington archive.

        I am still trying to find the drawings for the Gun barrel cradles used on the NER "FLAT Q" 6 axle plate wagons. which when used with all 3 Flat Qs enabled

        gun barrels up to 160 tons to be carried.   The Flat Qs are the wagons also used to carry the weight relieving beams either side of the HUGE stator wagon. This

        was originally built by the LNER with optional well wagon centre section or two horizontal beams which could be used to trap the largest transformers between.

        In the video with the LNER Garrett  the well wagon is shown but behind it, on a pair of bogies, are the two transformer girders.  When used for gun barrels over

        about 100 tons,ie 12"; 13.5"; 14"( these were the WW1 rail guns with non standard RN barrels )  and 15",  two of the flats were bridged by girders carrying the

        100 ton breech end cradle  and the third flat carried the muzzle end cradle up to 60 Tons. Those in the know will say that there were no battleships in WW1

        with barrels needing 160 Tons but the wagons were built for a "Proposed"  18" naval gun!!.  I believe one or two barrels were made but it was decided not to  build

        a battleship to use them.   Jim Russell's   "Freight wagons and Loads ------- " has some great pics of some of the LNE wagons and LMS including the LNE

        "WELTROL  N" in its well wagon guise.   I think the LNE, either just before or just after,WW2  found that stators had become so large  they could not be carried

        in the Weltrol N as they were too high  so a high strength beam was produced  which could be threaded through the Stator and then attached to the  beams and

        the two special twelve wheeled bogies of the Weltrol N.  The relieving beams had boxes at the other end to take weights needed to equalise axle loading  

     G.P. Keen had a model of the NER  160 ton  Gun set but, apart from one poor photo, alas I know nothing more about its history or possible current where-

        abouts.  Does anybody have any info ??

      In BR days another two batches of Flat Qs were built,  the last three with Roller bearings, to almost exactly the NER drawings of about 40 years earlier and

         that was why no one could find the G.A.s in the NER or LNER files.  I eventually found them in the BR files at SERCO with the help of Bob Essery !!!!!!

         I was lucky enough to see some of them at POOLE station, and take photos many years ago, when they were in use with many other rare wagons moving

         concrete  beams to build a new flyover locally.  

                    Hope someone reads this (probably the moderator !!) and gets me hooked up with the original photo list so that I can follow the comments in the

          forum. which I cannot fathom out as yet.          Regards  All   AdrianBS.

[jonhall]

Adrian,

 

Some of the links to the NRM pages are broken - I suspect its all the Liverpool Street photos because of a slight reorganisation of te NRM's file structures. Follow one of the links that is working then there are links to the Liverpool Street photos from there. Alternatively almost all these photos are available on the Science and Society picture website, but they are not licenced for sharing.

 

We have also discussed gunsets here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/67501-140-ton-gunset-wagons/

 

 

Jon

Edited October 17, 2013 by jonhall

[class"66"]

Some impressive wagon loads here....  got another follower...

[uax6]

Railway wagon loaded with a steam engine, 1920

 

 

Description: Midland & Great Northern Railway wagon loaded with a steam engine, 21 June 1920. This traction engine was built by Richard Garrett and Sons Ltd, who were based in Leiston, Suffolk. The company manufactured steam engines and agricultural machinery. It employed around 2000 people at this time, and their goods were exported abroad. The factories were based close to the railway line so that their goods could be transported easily. The coming of the railways really helped businesses such as Richard Garrett and Sons Ltd to expand as their goods could be sold all over Britain and abroad

 

 

http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=480

 

 

http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=482

 

Railway wagon loaded with freight, 1920

 

Description: Midland Railway wagon loaded with freight, 21 June 1920. Railway freight services were improving at this time, because of the increased competition between road vehicles. Goods arrived at their destination more quickly, and overnight services were becoming more common, so that goods could arrive the following day.

 

http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=481

 

 

 

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The Traction engine is infact a portable engine. Traction engines being capable of self propulsion!

 

Andy g

[uax6]

Wagon with a large load, 1921

 

Description: Midland Railway wagon carrying a large cylinder for the Sheepbridge Coal & Iron company of Chesterfield, 9 February 1921. Heavy goods like this were usually transported by rail at this time. Competition from canals had declined rapidly with the coming of the railways and road transport, although developing fast, was not yet a great rival to the railways over long distances.

 

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http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=701

This is a rope winding drum (notice the guides machined on the outside of the drum to guide the cable.)

 

Andy G

[uax6]

Heavy load at Ettingshall Road, 1946

 

Description: An autoclave on a London, Midland & Scottish Railway wagon at Ettingshall Road goods depot, Wolverhampton, 1946. Built by John Thompson of Wolverhampton the autoclave appears to be destined for the USSR, judging by the Russian text painted on its side. Autoclaves are used in the chemical industry to heat substances above their boiling point.

 

 

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http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=euston&item=220

Isn't this an LNWR or L&YR boiler trolley?

 

Andy g

[adrianbs]

  Hi  All    Aprops the crane loading the Galloway  boiler  I think it may be unloading the boiler into the barge , Galloway had their own sidings alongside the GC near Manchester  and made these large boilers for factory use in the days when steam engines drove all the shafting from a single powerplant.  I spent a very fruitful afternoon in the bowels of the Manchester Museum of Science and Technology looking through the Galloway files. 

This had nothing to do with my desire to make a boiler model but I knew the files contained  quite a few pictures of railway wagons with boilers on them.  I came away with a very interesting selection indeed.  The wagons in this photo are  GC  Twin Implement wagons specifically made for this traffic and pictures appear in Tatlow's volume  1.  I could not track down the drawing I wanted at York but deduced another diagram might be very similar as indeed it was.  There were 4 variations 2 are single Imp wagons  and 2 are Twins and the designs seem similar with a larger axle loading on the later sets

  The generic name for these boilers is  "Manchester Boilers"  and they came in a wide range of sizes with one or two firing doors.  A preserved one complete is to be found at the Ellesmere Port  Canal  Museum.  Whilst there is little of railway interest  there it is a worthwhile visit just to soak up the  Industrial Archeology atmosphere.          Regards    adrianbs

Edited May 7, 2014 by adrianbs

[sir douglas]

i know is an old thread but i found it looking for wagon rope work like on the Garrett portable and noticed a photo ive seen before and nobody else as yet noticed what the third pic is below, they are narrow gauge wagon chassis' on their sides without wheels or axleboxes, the rounds things on the eds are the mounting plates for chopper couplings

 

 

Railway wagon loaded with a steam engine, 1920


Description: Midland & Great Northern Railway wagon loaded with a steam engine, 21 June 1920. This traction engine was built by Richard Garrett and Sons Ltd, who were based in Leiston, Suffolk. The company manufactured steam engines and agricultural machinery. It employed around 2000 people at this time, and their goods were exported abroad. The factories were based close to the railway line so that their goods could be transported easily. The coming of the railways really helped businesses such as Richard Garrett and Sons Ltd to expand as their goods could be sold all over Britain and abroad



http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=480



http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=482

Railway wagon loaded with freight, 1920

Description: Midland Railway wagon loaded with freight, 21 June 1920. Railway freight services were improving at this time, because of the increased competition between road vehicles. Goods arrived at their destination more quickly, and overnight services were becoming more common, so that goods could arrive the following day.


http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=481



Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page.