RMweb Gold Clearwater Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2016 I had a chat with Joel about these. All three livery samples were rejected and are being re-done. Everyone who ASKED was told that. Les It seems they were on the stand because these are the only liveried prototypes available. Thank you for confirming the view I'd suggest the highlighting of "asked" in bold on your post is a little condescending. As other have noted, it'a not always possible to ask for a variety of reasons. . When I was there, all the Dapol people were tied up and hence not possible to ask. The purpose of forums such as these is to share information collectively as even each person who does ask may get a slightly different snippet and hence we as users can build up a collectively more accurate picture. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) Isn't it a good idea to say what is wrong with the colours, rather than just saying they are awful? In fact, to my eye the carmine on the blood and custard one looked pretty good but the cream is too dark. There's at least one Colour-Rail slide that shows just how garish an ex-works car in this livery was. (CJL) Judging from a 'puter screen isn't really the best way but from what I can see I agree with that. The carmine might, or might not, be a tad dark but the 'cream' is way too yellow, However as has already been pointed out these samples date back some time and liveries, and certain other features such as lights, remain a work in progress. Comments from a couple of us about proposed arrangements for the lights were listened to and accepted with pleasant thanks on the Dapol Digest. And of course the question was asked there in the first place which is again indicative of a concern nowadays at Dapol to to try to get things right. Edit to correct typo (I really did mean 'pleasant'!) Edited November 28, 2016 by The Stationmaster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Is there any indication of a delivery period as yet.........? looks very nice unit indeed in GWR livery, on pre-order, but no dates as yet...... Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I had a chat with Joel about these. All three livery samples were rejected and are being re-done. Everyone who ASKED was told that. Les It seems they were on the stand because these are the only liveried prototypes available. I could have asked if I was there.....unfortunately illness leaves me near housebound, and the replies and information kindly given on the forum is gratefully acknowledged, but we need your input and reporting of questions, without implying that we could have asked. Stephen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2016 That is a terrific photo from Andy Y at post 203. Sorry I don't know, but what was the purpose of that pipe supported by 4 brackets from the roof (in real life, of course!), please? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2016 That is a terrific photo from Andy Y at post 203. Sorry I don't know, but what was the purpose of that pipe supported by 4 brackets from the roof (in real life, of course!), please? John Andy's photo shows up much better than the earlier one. I've also seen a video of Warley in another thread where the shades look totally different when taken from another angle, although still slightly yellow-ish on the Custard. Perhaps the match between the lighting and the colour balance of the camera was a bit out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2016 I wonder what happened to the windows in the photo. Hopefully such discolouration will not be an issue when the models arrive. Anyone have any ideas when they are due? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I wonder what happened to the windows in the photo. Hopefully such discolouration will not be an issue when the models arrive. Perhaps an over handled sample that was freshened up with a coat of dullcote....including the windows! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2016 Perhaps an over handled sample that was freshened up with a coat of dullcote....including the windows! I hope its as simple as that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium pete_mcfarlane Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2016 The lining is a bit on the heavy side - it's getting on for a scale 3 to 4 inches wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) That is a terrific photo from Andy Y at post 203. Sorry I don't know, but what was the purpose of that pipe supported by 4 brackets from the roof (in real life, of course!), please? John In the 1930`s ATC equipment was fitted to those railcars that travelled far and wide, so there is cable runs from one end where the ATC shoe was fitted to the two diesel engines( where the passenger seats were higher over each engine) Also early on the roofs were painted in two tone white and later in life some were changed to white and black ( The Dapol team went blank on this when I asked them ) I think this is No 12 trundling down to Weymouth in the 1930`s Cheers John Edited November 30, 2016 by ROSSPOP 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 The chap I spoke to on Dapol's stand said Spring 2017 was the hoped for arrivals , but like all projected delivery dates, I would not be surprised if this slipped a tad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 The lining is a bit on the heavy side - it's getting on for a scale 3 to 4 inches wide. This is always a tough one, how much slack do we cut sample liveries? The lining is a bit rough and a bit heavy but it could well be fine on the production models. Dapol have certainly had no problem delivering fine lining before such as the N Gauge K41. Then again, we have also had clunkers like the purple class 73s. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 The roof of W5W: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) The roof of W5W: w5w-roof.png That plus the pic in post #212 shows one thing - they differed in roof detail from railcar to railcar. The question is- did each railcar have the same roof details after each overhaul that it had immediately before it? I ask because having extensively researched a couple of classes on the best of the Big 4 (not the one that claimed to be) a photo of a given loco or railcar was only as good as the day it was taken, or at best the period from its previous main overhaul to its next one. Les Edited December 3, 2016 by Les1952 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) The question is- did each railcar have the same roof details after each overhaul that it had immediately before it? I don't know. Although of the same diagram (W), No 5 was an earlier batch from that of No 12. Possibly, and understandably, Gloucester changed its mind about the style of roof ventilator. In anycase, it seems Dapol is only attempting to represent the 'main batch' (8 to 16, with the exception of the lav-fitted 10, 11 and 12). Dapol's 'trolley pole' on top looks very weird, is too large in diameter, and set too far off the roof surface, see http://www.miac.org.uk/images/w14.jpg Btw, why wasn't the ATC conduit routed through the chassis? Seems rather bizarre to put it on the roof. Edited December 4, 2016 by Miss Prism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) I don't know. Although of the same diagram (W), No 5 was an earlier batch from that of No 12. Possibly, and understandably, Gloucester changed its mind about the style of roof ventilator. In anycase, it seems Dapol is only attempting to represent the 'main batch' (8 to 16, with the exception of the lav-fitted 10, 11 and 12). Dapol's 'trolley pole' on top looks very weird, is too large in diameter, and set too far off the roof surface, see http://www.miac.org.uk/images/w14.jpg Btw, why wasn't the ATC conduit routed through the chassis? Seems rather bizarre to put it on the roof. ATC was added after construction, and I'd think that running it through the chassis would have entailed making holes in cross-members and having the linkage twist and turn to avoid other equipment. ATC was a mechanical system and wear in all the (probably inaccessible) pivots required would have quickly become a serious maintenance issue. Sticking it on the roof would have simply been the solution that allowed the smallest number of direction changes. John EDIT: See next post. Edited December 4, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2016 ATC was added after construction, and I'd think that running it through the chassis would have entailed making holes in cross-members and having the linkage twist and turn to avoid other equipment. ATC was a mechanical system and wear in all the (probably inaccessible) pivots required would have quickly become a serious maintenance issue. Sticking it on the roof would have simply been the solution that allowed the smallest number of direction changes. John ATC was only a 'mechanical system' at the interface between the shoe fitting on the loco and the ramp in the four foot. Everything after that was electrical (hence the conduit alongside the hanging frame on those engines with the shoe at the front end, and of course the need for batteries) until it arrived at the cab equipment where an electro-mechanical cancelling switch was used and of course the application of brakes was controlled by a solenoid valve (again electro-mevchanical). Thus the connection from one end of a railcar to the other was by electric cable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 My final video from Warley, featuring the Dapol Stand, during the National Model Railway Exhibition 2016.As well as demonstrations, on display was a large number of up and coming and prototypes, in N, 00 and 0 Guage, including the up and coming GWR Streamlined Railcars, BR Class 121 and 122, Class 59, plus the up and coming class 68's.There was also a running sample of the eagerly anticipated Dapol Black Label Gresley A4 Pacifics.Filmed Saturday 26th November 2016, we take a closer look at these new models, plus more. Hope you enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVUm9R5zFNg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 There is a post in reply to a question on the railcar thread in Dapol Digest that says Dapol have had another decorated sample but it's still wrong and they are not willing to share any images of it hem. Frustrating but reassuring that they are trying to get things right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Could the sliding side light vents do with some more work?. Compare the the model and the enlosed image. I appreciate that the model represents them in the closed position, whereas they are largely open in the photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Convention seems to be that RTR models usually depict windows in the closed position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Trevor's point still stands. The slider 'grabs' are absent on the Dapol. (Bachmann did them rather well on their Mk1s.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Convention seems to be that RTR models usually depict windows in the closed position. My point was that there is much more detail on the window vents of the prototype, than there is on the model. These vehicles had such large sidelights, that the lack of detail on the model is quite glaring. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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