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On the subject of obscure kit manufacturers, are O gauge entries allowed?!

 

I built these Interfrigo wagons from a ‘Skog’ 3D printed kit. They’re typical 3D printed kits which require a lot of coats of filler primer and rubbing down to get to a reasonable finish. And those end steps are very vulnerable!

 

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Rob at Skog only advertises on Facebook and to order you have to contact him via Facebook messenger and then BACS him over the money. It’s all a bit of a leap of faith, but his customer service is superb and they’re very affordable. I’ve had replacement parts FOC within two days when I broke something.

 

I think this is typical of the 3D printed cottage industry type. Many people are doing it as a hobby and only doing small volumes, so marketing is by word of mouth.

 

Andy

 

 

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1 minute ago, thegreenhowards said:

I built these Interfrigo wagons from a ‘Skog’ 3D printed kit. They’re typical 3D printed kits which require a lot of coats of filler primer and rubbing down to get to a reasonable finish. And those end steps are very vulnerable!

 

That was true in the early days of 3D printing, but affordable machines are now available which produce models requiring zero finishing, other than removing the supports.

 

I have quite a few such prints, which simply require the addition of wheels and couplings.

 

CJI.

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7 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

That was true in the early days of 3D printing, but affordable machines are now available which produce models requiring zero finishing, other than removing the supports.

 

I have quite a few such prints, which simply require the addition of wheels and couplings.

 

CJI.

I realise that things are improving. SKOG’s kits are better than the ‘early days’ , but still require a bit of finishing. I’ve seen better from a chap at my club. It’s only really on large flat surfaces, like the sides of those vans, that it matters.

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23 minutes ago, 45568 said:

Following my penchant for the unusual, my take on 'the Beast' #666! One of those mysterious engines that lurked at the beginning of the Western Region Ian Allan abc, unknown outside their very restricted native haunts. 

From the Pi Kerr Stuart with their own etched overlays. GWR tank fillers/vents from an old Airfix 14xx, extra whistle is a Hornby Schools snifting valve. Plates and safety valve cover from Brian @ 247 Developments. Waiting for a shed plate, (86B Newport Pill).

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Apologies for the bright sunshine and blue sky, it's the middle of winter here in WestOz!

Cheers,

Peter C.

got one of these to do myself

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13 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

I am sure Tony would inform me should I ever have a A4 and it was towing the wrong tender.

 

I'm surprised the silver A4 a few pages ago didn't get picked up on for having an ex-A3 corridor tender...

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2 hours ago, Barry O said:

@Tony Wright.. I use watered down ink and weathering powders for weathering. Why?

Well it works for me, can becremoced or changed if necessary and doesn't involve sloshing thinners or IPA over RTR lining (which can have fairly dire results)

 

But.. each to their own. I don't like spray weathering.. it just looks flat... not like what I can remember fron trains I watched in the North East.

 

Baz

Hi Barry

Can you recommend any suitable inks. Plus a description of how you do this would be most appreciated.

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5 hours ago, Roger Sunderland said:

Hi Barry

Can you recommend any suitable inks. Plus a description of how you do this would be most appreciated.

Any none acrylic ink (I use lots of Windsor and Newton inks from rhe Tamge or my.local printers. Black comes from a big bottle of rotring  ink. Dilute to taste but add a very small amount of washing in.liquid).

 

The less water you add, the more shiny matt it becomes.

Add powders when dry .or add powders to wet to the touch inks as this produces a surface "crusty to the touch" finish.

 

If you done like it use water, CIF and a toothbrush

 

It's all in my weathering with ink and powders: thread..or else come to the Summer expo EM at Shipley.

 

Pm me if you need any more info.

 

Baz

 

 

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8 hours ago, AdamOrmorod said:

 

I'm surprised the silver A4 a few pages ago didn't get picked up on for having an ex-A3 corridor tender...

Good evening Adam,

 

I knew that,

 

And pointed it out at least a couple of thousand pages back, when I first posted this picture. 

 

Geoff Haynes was given the RTR A4 to paint to match the SJ set. He wasn't told by the client that the tender was incorrect for SILVER LINK as built, nor was he asked to alter it. 

 

'He who pays the piper'............

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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I'm about to start building a few kitmaster mk1 kits, I imagine a few people on here will have built a few of these, I'm thinking of fitting grab handles along with door handles but apart from removing the moulded lines on the body is there any thing else worth doing? 

 

My aim is for a layout coach not a show piece. 

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I'm mending 60113 Great Northern, built from a Crownline kit for a friend. The Primary plastic gear in the GB1 gearbox had stripped. I fitted a replacement.... that also stripped the primary gear...! The mesh in both cases was not close. Has anyone else had this problem?

 

Also, the Cartazzi axleboxes that were fitted were very chunky and over gauge, so were catching platforms. Tony kindly found me some nice brass castings to replace them.

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Tony

 

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1 hour ago, dibateg said:

I'm mending 60113 Great Northern, built from a Crownline kit for a friend. The Primary plastic gear in the GB1 gearbox had stripped. I fitted a replacement.... that also stripped the primary gear...! The mesh in both cases was not close. Has anyone else had this problem?

 

Also, the Cartazzi axleboxes that were fitted were very chunky and over gauge, so were catching platforms. Tony kindly found me some nice brass castings to replace them.

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Tony

 

Replacement on its way to you Tony,

 

I've never had a DJH worm strip (I've had them come loose off the armature, but that's an easy fix).

 

When was the loco built, and the gearbox installed, please? I imagine the 'box had to be made-up, and herein lies the potential problem. I've built dozens of the DJH 'boxes, and all needed very careful assembly and adjustment. That done, all have given trouble-free performance, working hard on heavy trains. 

 

It would seem that many DJH 'boxes were not assembled (by the purchaser) properly; so much so that DJH ceased to sell the units as kits, and instead only sold the drives ready-made; originally with Mashima motors, and 'now' with their own. I say 'now', because I don't know if they'll still be available now that DJH has sold the railway side of the business.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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16 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

 

Well, here are some 'photos of photos' of some of the loco kits that I built for The Model Shop in Guildford, over a period of about 10 years from 1979 to the late 1980s.

 

My apologies for the poor quality of the images, I am no expert in photography and was even less so 45 years or so ago...

 

After buying the two panniers and the 'Dukedog' from me, in early 1979 Mike Day asked me to build a couple of Wills kits, namely a GW Castle and a Southern '02' 0-4-4T. All liveries are as requested by him at the time. I do remember that these were the first ones I did for him, the order of all the others is not necessarily the same as the order in which I shall post their respective photos:

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This was a Sutherland kit, I think, of a Highland 'Small Ben', but Mike wanted me to paint it as a Southern (ex-LSWR) 4-4-0. I am sure there are differences between the classes, but both are Drummond locos, I believe. This was built around 1980:

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This Wills 'H' class, built in 1981 was always a favourite of mine:

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I believe this 4-4-0 was also a Wills kit:

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This 0-6-2T was a Steyning kit:

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In 1981, I was asked to respray a Lima Class 117 DMU into West Somerset Railway colours for a fellow volunteer on that heritage railway, here it is, posing on the roof of a friend's car(!):

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Also in 1981, I had my first introduction to the excellent Kemilway whitemetal kit for the BR Standard 2-6-2T. I would eventually build one or two more of these for the shop and (a few years later), one for myself as well, but this was the first, posing on the windowsill of my university student accommodation:

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In 1984, I built this Cotswold 47XX 2-8-0 for the Guildford shop. By then I was living near Taunton and was able to use my free B.R. staff travel to deliver the finished item!

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Also around 1983 or 1984, I built a number of these whitemetal Lynton & Barnstaple 2-6-2T kits (was that also a Steyning kit??), which fitted on a brass chassis, designed and built by my old schoolfriend Brian Clarke, who ran Saltford Models at the time. This loco was for a customer of his and I also remember batch building another six of these bodies, while he built his own kits for the chassis, all for customers of his. I was staying with him at the time, working and sleeping in his parent's old caravan in his garden!! Simon @Not Jeremy Castens will well remember this period of time...

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By the early 1980s, Mike Day got me building DJH kits and I have to say that, in the main, these were generally superior kits to put together. I particularly liked the way they came to mix etched brass components with the whitemetal ones, where the former were a better choice for the part of the loco concerned.

 

Around this time, Mike Day had reached an agreement with Brian Badger for him to do most of the painting of kit-built models, so I generally handed them over to Mike in primer only, although I often painted the wheels and chassis, if I thought this would make things easier. This was a DJH Caprotti Standard 5:

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BR Standard 4 2-6-4T (I liked this as well and a few years later came to build my own version):

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Around this time (I was living in Lancashire at the time), I built a K's Black 5 for a friend:

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Back to the DJH kits, still around the mid-1980s, a Standard 3 2-6-0:

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A BR Standard 3 2-6-2T. I really liked this kit, (although I still think that the representation of Walschearts valve gear is superior on the Kemilway kit):

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A Southern 'N' class mogul (posing in front of my bread bin!):

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An LMS 'Crab' 2-6-0 (if the colour scheme was fairly simple and didn't involve lining, Mike Day was happy for me to supply the loco fully painted):

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I also built these two L&YR kits, although I can't recall the make of the kits concerned:

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That's all the photos that I have (or certainly all the ones I can find at the moment). There were more locos, but perhaps I didn't take photos at the time of making them. I certainly didn't document the builds like some of us do now with digital photography being so easy.

 

None of the above loco kits were available as RTR back in those days, although many of them now are and of a standard much superior to anything I could achieve. But there was a lot of fun involved in the building of a kit and there still is. I certainly derive far more satisfaction running something that I've built (or at least had a hand in finishing, such as weathering) as compared with something purely RTR, no matter how lovely and authentic the RTR product may be.

 

The building of kits for the model shop eventually finished at around the same time that I got married. There then followed a break in modelling activities but when they resumed, it was to build an exhibition layout in a short space of time. With 6 months notice, I agreed to build a layout to be exhibited alongside @Not Jeremy and his embryonic 'Titfield Thunderbolt' bookshop stand at the Bath model railway show. The layout got finished ('Engine Wood'), but I realised that I had hardly any locos or stock to run on it, due to having spent most of the 1980s building kits for the Guildford shop!

 

 

Thanks Captain,

 

Prolific!

 

And, to a high-standard indeed...........

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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Tony, thank you for the pictures you took yesterday. Here is some background to the models. I though that a theme of the older model might be the subject of the day!.

The Bullied Tavern Car set was made 20 odd years ago, using the basic body carcass, chassis and bogies from the Bachmann's first iteration of Bullied stock, with Comet sides, Keen corridors, and detailing from Comet and the parts bin, and the intermediate buffers removed. The ride height is raised as is the roof line so that they match Mk1's and other Maunsell stock. The brickwork is Superquick, stuck on and varnished with satin varnish with a drop of thinned Carmine to tone down the brickwork a little, and no, I NEVER contemplated painting the brickwork on by hand! 

The Siphon F is an ancient K's kit, that I first built when they came out in the early 1970's, it even had Hornby Dublo couplings fitted at the time. It had lain in the bottom of the junk box for many years, but when Cambridge Custom bought out the transfers a few years ago I though "why not" and duly resurrected it, and gave it a complete overhaul.

The Thompson Q1 is one of the 'crash victims' bought from Tony a couple of years ago. It had been built in 1983 according to the hieroglyphs inside the cab, with pre-war LNER shaded lettering and an odd number that did not correspond to any number carried by Q1's. As I wanted an engine that still carried the LNER lozenge, and with the assortment of details carried by the kit, 69927 was the only possibility, so shunters steps and handrails, plus the correct cab handrails were added, plus the odd white edged BR numberplate so beloved of ScR sheds.

The A2  was built in the late 1980's after the kit was re-issued with the etched chassis. The Romford wheel flanges had to be turned down so the they did no overlap! The gearbox is a Branchlines Multibox with a Mashima motor. The tender drawbar is connected to the rear of the main frame by the rear axle, rather than via the rear truck, makes for better running and the cab waggles nicely passing through points and crossings. The BRITISH RAILWAYS on the tender needs replacing as Fox hadn't done the correct style of transfer at the time, though they had just done the numbers. The livery makes for a challenge, but a worthwhile one I think you;ll admit. I have since completed a DJH 0 gauge version in the same livery as 60539 Bronzino, not that much easier in 0 gauge either.

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Yes Captain, the L & B loco was one of my kits and it looks so much better on a proper chassis rather than the Minitrix N gauge one.

Nice E4 as well.

 

As Tony said, you were prolific.

Rodney Stenning

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43 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

 

Well, here are some 'photos of photos' of some of the loco kits that I built for The Model Shop in Guildford, over a period of about 10 years from 1979 to the late 1980s.

 

My apologies for the poor quality of the images, I am no expert in photography and was even less so 45 years or so ago...

 

After buying the two panniers and the 'Dukedog' from me, in early 1979 Mike Day asked me to build a couple of Wills kits, namely a GW Castle and a Southern '02' 0-4-4T. All liveries are as requested by him at the time. I do remember that these were the first ones I did for him, the order of all the others is not necessarily the same as the order in which I shall post their respective photos:

20240716_200845.jpg.1d9c04dc9d6748715468cda9ffe7d516.jpg

 

20240716_200913.jpg.2b56d06950cffe135ff4c4454442b873.jpg

 

This was a Sutherland kit, I think, of a Highland 'Small Ben', but Mike wanted me to paint it as a Southern (ex-LSWR) 4-4-0. I am sure there are differences between the classes, but both are Drummond locos, I believe. This was built around 1980:

20240716_201028.jpg.c1214a90c132ffae5a572221726d39f5.jpg

 

This Wills 'H' class, built in 1981 was always a favourite of mine:

20240716_200958.jpg.5c5ea0ec5444973550a8bfce07d8a572.jpg

 

I believe this 4-4-0 was also a Wills kit:

20240716_201058.jpg.dd9e0146f48ad11780e3133af3eeda6e.jpg

 

This 0-6-2T was a Steyning kit:

20240716_201245.jpg.890ac77b4eaf093ae307440a900c59af.jpg

 

In 1981, I was asked to respray a Lima Class 117 DMU into West Somerset Railway colours for a fellow volunteer on that heritage railway, here it is, posing on the roof of a friend's car(!):

20240716_201133(0).jpg.867f69d911941ab157c016dd9791fe8b.jpg

 

Also in 1981, I had my first introduction to the excellent Kemilway whitemetal kit for the BR Standard 2-6-2T. I would eventually build one or two more of these for the shop and (a few years later), one for myself as well, but this was the first, posing on the windowsill of my university student accommodation:

20240716_201209.jpg.a8a9bf7e57563c00ba831273772b2417.jpg

 

In 1984, I built this Cotswold 47XX 2-8-0 for the Guildford shop. By then I was living near Taunton and was able to use my free B.R. staff travel to deliver the finished item!

20240716_201318.jpg.e99b5e09e3e0b2f11843999ac6446b58.jpg

 

Also around 1983 or 1984, I built a number of these whitemetal Lynton & Barnstaple 2-6-2T kits (was that also a Steyning kit??), which fitted on a brass chassis, designed and built by my old schoolfriend Brian Clarke, who ran Saltford Models at the time. This loco was for a customer of his and I also remember batch building another six of these bodies, while he built his own kits for the chassis, all for customers of his. I was staying with him at the time, working and sleeping in his parent's old caravan in his garden!! Simon @Not Jeremy Castens will well remember this period of time...

20240716_201758.jpg.abb70204b753187793a1dd26d5cdf3a6.jpg

 

By the early 1980s, Mike Day got me building DJH kits and I have to say that, in the main, these were generally superior kits to put together. I particularly liked the way they came to mix etched brass components with the whitemetal ones, where the former were a better choice for the part of the loco concerned.

 

Around this time, Mike Day had reached an agreement with Brian Badger for him to do most of the painting of kit-built models, so I generally handed them over to Mike in primer only, although I often painted the wheels and chassis, if I thought this would make things easier. This was a DJH Caprotti Standard 5:

20240716_201350.jpg.4a0309dbd16436983e6fd5ecc1cf8877.jpg

 

BR Standard 4 2-6-4T (I liked this as well and a few years later came to build my own version):

20240716_201424.jpg.df0e7ee827455013ad1b6db40e951c2c.jpg

 

Around this time (I was living in Lancashire at the time), I built a K's Black 5 for a friend:

20240716_201505.jpg.2d5442556286ab5413d0abdcd372c046.jpg

 

Back to the DJH kits, still around the mid-1980s, a Standard 3 2-6-0:

20240716_201542.jpg.820a01fb7ea60a0668eec531f7b54d9a.jpg

 

A BR Standard 3 2-6-2T. I really liked this kit, (although I still think that the representation of Walschearts valve gear is superior on the Kemilway kit):

20240716_201620.jpg.d18e781564a80206b3a580ea0eb8adf5.jpg

 

A Southern 'N' class mogul (posing in front of my bread bin!):

20240716_201651.jpg.bb248c1b1d3cb896b84885170ab405a8.jpg

 

An LMS 'Crab' 2-6-0 (if the colour scheme was fairly simple and didn't involve lining, Mike Day was happy for me to supply the loco fully painted):

20240716_201726.jpg.562ab26b2513b65eb803f900e80f3360.jpg

 

I also built these two L&YR kits, although I can't recall the make of the kits concerned:

20240716_201835.jpg.f076edb280b573830a6ba04322a47289.jpg

 

20240716_201859.jpg.de29cb9b76b52e6d0aac466b12783114.jpg

 

That's all the photos that I have (or certainly all the ones I can find at the moment). There were more locos, but perhaps I didn't take photos at the time of making them. I certainly didn't document the builds like some of us do now with digital photography being so easy.

 

None of the above loco kits were available as RTR back in those days, although many of them now are and of a standard much superior to anything I could achieve. But there was a lot of fun involved in the building of a kit and there still is. I certainly derive far more satisfaction running something that I've built (or at least had a hand in finishing, such as weathering) as compared with something purely RTR, no matter how lovely and authentic the RTR product may be.

 

The building of kits for the model shop eventually finished at around the same time that I got married. There then followed a break in modelling activities but when they resumed, it was to build an exhibition layout in a short space of time. With 6 months notice, I agreed to build a layout to be exhibited alongside @Not Jeremy and his embryonic 'Titfield Thunderbolt' bookshop stand at the Bath model railway show. The layout got finished ('Engine Wood'), but I realised that I had hardly any locos or stock to run on it, due to having spent most of the 1980s building kits for the Guildford shop!

 

 

The L&Y Radial Tank could be from George Norton's Connoisseurs Choice range (now part of LRM). George used turned brass boiler fittings in a number of his kits. 

 

The 0-6-0 looks like a L&Y Class 27. Craftsman did a kit for that.

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14 minutes ago, RodneyS said:

Yes Captain, the L & B loco was one of my kits and it looks so much better on a proper chassis rather than the Minitrix N gauge one.

Nice E4 as well.

 

As Tony said, you were prolific.

Rodney Stenning

Many thanks, but apologies as I seem to have misspelt your name!

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1 minute ago, Jol Wilkinson said:

The L&Y Radial Tank could be from George Norton's Connoisseurs Choice range (now part of LRM). George used turned brass boiler fittings in a number of his kits. 

 

The 0-6-0 looks like a L&Y Class 27. Craftsman did a kit for that.

You could well be right about the 2-4-2T, Jol and you are definitely correct about the Class 27.

 

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That brings some memories back! Great models and so many of them, an amazing achievement.

 

I think my favourite remains the Standard 4 you did for yourself from Airfix and Kemilway, still up there with the very best I feel.

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38 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Many thanks, but apologies as I seem to have misspelt your name!

No apology needed Captain.  There is a town not far from me called Steyning so it's a natural mistake most people make. There must be some historical reason for the two spellings.

 

I'm still amazed by the quantity and quality of your locos.

Rodney

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