Popular Post Clem Posted July 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, gr.king said: I probably still have a mould for this sort of dome Clem. Whether it is the size it should be for an O4 is for you and others to judge: Hi Graeme, That's a nice model of an O4/8! But no unfortunately, its dome hasn't got the height of the originals'. Thanks for the reply though. No, this is more what I mean... I've got fairly close by fettling the K's ROD dome (see below). But I'm really after replacements for Bachmann O4/1s and the modified version, O4/3s. I suppose I do need to get some resin casting stuff in again and fettle up another Ks example to use as a master. The photo above by the way, was taken by my brother Dave at Awsworth Junction and I was standing right next to him having just turned 6 years old the previous month (February 1957). It features 63657 a loco I aim to model using the Bachmann body and a scratch built chassis. 63729 (below) was the first outside cylinder engine I built. It's now got a new EM chassis having been both OO and P4 in its lifetime. I was particularly pleased with the safety valves which I scratch built using a lathe after I climbed up on to the firebox of 63601with a ruler to get the measurements when it was stored at Dinting 40 years ago. 23 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Tony Wright Posted July 27, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) I've not done much building for myself over the last few weeks. I've done a bit more on the Model Loco 9F (illustrated some little time ago), but I've also started on a DJH A3 (acquired second-hand a couple of months ago, completely untouched). With recent discussions about Portescaps, this might be of interest. I bought this one from the state of a deceased modeller. He'd bought it, second-hand, from Rails of Sheffield, for £89.50, several years ago. The box it came in is labelled 'escap' (with a strike though the 'e') and it came from Headlands Business Park, Ringwood, Hampshire BH24 3PB. Interestingly, the phone number given doesn't have the '1' after the first zero, which might give an idea as to its age. And, speaking of its age, I think it's an early one, because it's almost silent, with nothing of the intensely-irritating whine so prevalent in later ones. I've used Markits LNER 6' 8" drivers, instead of the generic ones which were in the kit (two too many spokes). For some reason, this set is all-insulated, so pick-ups on both sides. It took some very careful soldering to fit everything in without fouling or shorts. The rods are articulated. Normally, I'd solder them solid, but these worked just fine with just a minimum of broaching to give clearance. Regular readers will remember my mentioning the cleaning-up necessary of the highly-contaminated-with-flash main footplate casting some weeks ago. Had I bought this kit new (sadly, the DJH A3 kit is no longer available from the firm), I'd have asked for a replacement, but it's eventually been tidied up OK. More, later..................... Edited July 27, 2021 by Tony Wright to add something 15 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Tony Wright Posted July 27, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2021 More done on the A3 (RMweb being down this afternoon prevented my posting of the previous pictures earlier). Bogie and pony made-up and fitted (held in place by shouldered screws, not the limp way suggested in the instructions). The boiler assembly has been soldered in place, particular care being taken at the firebox end to make sure its top slopes down towards the cab (if fitted as supplied, without judicious filing to the 'box's base, there is no rearward slope). This loco is going to be 60046 DIAMOND JUBILEE (which I saw at Retford in August 1958). It was one of five or six A3s at any one time to tow a streamlined non-corridor (ex-A4). The one it's towing is a K's streamlined P2 version (quite appropriate). This was built for a project years ago which never came to fruition. I'd actually painted it LNER green, but that's being removed now. It had no brakes, but I've fashioned them now from brass stock. As always, thorough layout testing is conducted at every stage of the build. Even with no added ballast, as yet, the new A3 easily took the heavy 'Queen of Scots' rake. I think this process might be a problem with many kit-built locos I've examined. They're never tested on a decent-sized layout prior to completion (or any layout at all?). 21 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted July 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2021 Is there a chance you could take a picture of the shouldered screws you use for the bogie please Tony (and a picture to show how you mount them up please)? And also who your supplier is please? I hate limp bogies, on the old triang style flappy strips, I prefer to have my bogies doing the work they are supposed to do, but am always looking for ways to do it easily... Ta Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted July 27, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2021 3 hours ago, uax6 said: Is there a chance you could take a picture of the shouldered screws you use for the bogie please Tony (and a picture to show how you mount them up please)? And also who your supplier is please? I hate limp bogies, on the old triang style flappy strips, I prefer to have my bogies doing the work they are supposed to do, but am always looking for ways to do it easily... Ta Andy G I'll take some shots tomorrow, Andy. On many occasions, I make my own shouldered screws. An 8BA screw with a brass collar (cut from brass tubing) soldered beneath its head. Regards, Tony. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted July 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2021 12 hours ago, gr.king said: Isn't that a better economic approach than sending uncomfortable amounts of money to a purveyor of novelty technology in another country? Plus there's a very fair chance of getting bounced for VAT and collection charge once it arrives in the UK, adding to the pain...... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Tony Wright Posted July 28, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 As promised, shots of my use of shouldered screws................. Here's the underneath of my latest A3. The shouldered screws holding both the bogie and pony in place are much more-secure than the recommended screws drooping down from the spacers, with a nut to hold the bogie/pony in place. These usually work loose, then the whole lot turns round if the bogie/pony needs to be removed. I solder and 8BA nut very-securely to the top of the turned spacer, then tap it. I also solder in the turned spacers. Screwed-together frames will eventually come apart. The two shouldered screws employed to hold the units in place. The one holding the bogie came from EAMES decades ago; it has a shallow collar. The one holding the pony in place is home-made; an 8BA screw with a length of appropriate-bore brass tube soldered in place. Note the washer soldered to the pivot of the pony to give greater thickness here. Years and years ago when model shops were model shops, I used to go to EAMES of Reading and buy loads and loads of Jamieson bits, including shouldered screws and spacers for my loco-building. The flat spacers are Jamieson ones, drilled for 8BA clearance or tapped 8BA. Luckily, I still have scores of these.................. The three shouldered screws are from different manufacturers; from left to right.... Comet (made by Markits, I think). This is OK, but the shoulder is really a bit too narrow, and will pass through the hole in a turned spacer before encountering the soldered-in-place nut, effectively locking the pivot solid. It's fine if it's screwed into a flat spacer (see next image). Believe it or not, the middle one is a Tri-ang shouldered screw. In the days before nasty self-tapping screws were used to hold RTR bits and pieces together, proper, machined shouldered brass screws were used. This one even has a tapered 'lead' so that it fits into place with ease. I bought several as spares when I were just a lad! The one on the right is another Jamieson type. Again, with a tapered 'lead' and beautifully-machined. Though I'm running lower on these, I still have enough for at least another dozen more locos. A Comet shouldered screw holding a bogie on underneath a DJH A2. As mentioned, these work fine with a flat spacer, but not a turned one. I hope these images/notes help.................... 16 1 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwr517 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Hi Tony, Thank you for posting that info. More good advice. I am often surprised by locos or rolling stock that can't be disassembled for repair or servicing. As my travels in EM progress I wonder at the wisdom of push on wheels also. They defiantly look correct even more so if lightly centre pushed to represent the machining mark. I have purchased a number of kit built locos from a deceased estate and some of them have compensation failures that can't be fixed without removing the wheels which in this case are Sharman and they will be difficult to remove and replace as the 1mm nuts holding the rods in place may or may not survive. The remaining thread is very small. I may have to change the wheels to Markits as the rest of the locos are worth saving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barclay Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 With nuts like this I would undo them with the tip of a soldering iron - just a little at a time and allow the crankpin to cool in between. In this way you can slowly unwind the nut until it falls off. Replacing it I find a sliver of brass tube works just as well and is easier to remove if you have to. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted July 28, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just in for photography/review is this Heljan GWR railcar................. It comes with all lights working (yes, I know these appear far too bright, but it's for photographic effect). It's also a beautifully-smooth runner........................ 5 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Just in for photography/review is this Heljan GWR railcar................. It comes with all lights working (yes, I know these appear far too bright, but it's for photographic effect). It's also a beautifully-smooth runner........................ Reminds me of an illuminated Blackpool tram - all it needs is an advert for the Tower Ballrooms !! John Isherwood. 2 2 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted July 28, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 Reminds me of an illuminated Blackpool tram - all it needs is an advert for the Tower Ballrooms !! John Isherwood. Ha, Ha, Very funny. I almost split my sides laughing! I did say it was for photographic effect. I'm not competent enough with the camera to illuminate both the front and rear lamps, not without overdoing the illumination inside........... Running in 'daylight', the front and rear lamps' illumination is invisible, even though it's running flat-out. The interior lighting is just discernible. The magazine team will choose which one will be used (perhaps neither). Regards, Tony. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted July 28, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) And now to ask the vast collective knowledge on here about these two pictures................ I'm not sure whether this is a pre- or post-War shot, but it shows a Jinty on a Broad Street-Potters Bar commuter service, travelling along the ECML. I think the location is Ganwick, before the widenings of the late-'50s. Any thoughts on the carriage, please? This is definitely in BR days, but where? My Locoshed books for the mid-/late-'50s state that 47343 was shedded at Longsight, so is this in the Manchester area? It looks to me more like the Midland main line in the Home Counties, but I'm only guessing. Any assistance, gratefully received. Many thanks in anticipation. Edited July 28, 2021 by Tony Wright typo error 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Coach 23288 was a MR BT to Diagram 1246. MR No 1203, so post the 1933 renumbering. Built 1921 and lasted until 7/1960 Info from the Hugh Longworth book. Jason 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 According to Eric Neve's "East Coast from King's Cross", Midland and LMS bogie coaches replaced 4 wheeled stock on those trains from 1933, and Jinties had replaced the NLR 4-4-0Ts by 1929. The Jinties remained on the Broad Street services until they were withdrawn in 1940, and when the trains were re-introduced in 1945 they were worked by LNER locos and stock. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) Coach 23288 was a MR BT to Diagram 1246. MR No 1203, so post the 1933 renumbering. Built 1921 and lasted until 7/1960 If one didn't have Longworth, Jenkinson & Essery, or Lacy & Dow to hand, the underframe is the indicator that it's not an LMS-built carriage - it has truss rods rather than the heavier-looking angle trussing of the LMS vehicles. Thus one can see that all four carriages in the second photo are LMS-built vehicles, though of various vintages. The second carriage is especially interesting: a lavatory first, D1761 - one of 30 built in 1927. Either this carriage is standing in for a non-lavatory composite, or it's a service with a particularly high proportion of first class passengers. Edited July 28, 2021 by Compound2632 Edited in light of location identification in following post. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm fairly certain this is near Heaton Chapel on the LNW between Manchester and Stockport. If so it could be the Mayfield-Stockport working that in the mid-50s got a Jocko from Longsight to Stockport to work Jubilee Sidings, Heaton Norris. Regards, Simon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 Running in 'daylight', the front and rear lamps' illumination is invisible, even though it's running flat-out. The interior lighting is just discernible. Perhaps you might like to try DCC? 3 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 Running in 'daylight', the front and rear lamps' illumination is invisible, even though it's running flat-out. The interior lighting is just discernible. That leads to an interesting question. Did the GWR and BR(W) allow the red tail lamps to be used instead of a proper tail lamp? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm fairly certain this is near Heaton Chapel on the LNW between Manchester and Stockport. If so it could be the Mayfield-Stockport working that in the mid-50s got a Jocko from Longsight to Stockport to work Jubilee Sidings, Heaton Norris. Regards, Simon I'd thought that area as well, although I only know it from track level over the last 18 years, so full of overhead line masts and wiring. There's a good number of bridges along that stretch where the photo could have been taken from 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I'd thought that area as well, although I only know it from track level over the last 18 years, so full of overhead line masts and wiring. There's a good number of bridges along that stretch where the photo could have been taken from Agreed. It's taken from the same bridge where the Rebuilt Patriot was photographed on this page: https://www.friendsofheatonchapelstation.co.uk/history/ In fact looking at Scenes from the Past 61 by Eddie Johnson it's taken from the Warwick Road overbridge beyond Heaton Chapel station on the approach to Heaton Norris Junction. You'd be hard pushed to tell this is the same view:https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4211551,-2.1754132,3a,30y,343.37h,88.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDS0fekqDLw4LhOUeVVXJRg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Simon Edited July 28, 2021 by 65179 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted July 28, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2021 Many thanks for all the information regarding the two Jinty pictures. What a fantastic resource this is. My library on LMS carriages is sadly lacking in comparison with the LNER material. I really must expand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted July 29, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2021 'Too-bright' lighting or not (it really isn't that strong), the latest Heljan GWR railcar is certainly an imposing model................. I wonder how long the real thing's roof would have remained quite as white in service? 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted July 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: I wonder how long the real thing's roof would have remained quite as white in service? I pondered the same question in relation to the white roofs of Pullman cars - and when I looked for reference images I found almost none, excepting from the modern / preservation era; most were at the very least pale grey if not as dark as any other coaches. I concluded that they must have got fairly dirty very quickly and I can't see why these railcars would have been much diffferent. Tony 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted July 29, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Tony Teague said: I pondered the same question in relation to the white roofs of Pullman cars - and when I looked for reference images I found almost none, excepting from the modern / preservation era; most were at the very least pale grey if not as dark as any other coaches. I concluded that they must have got fairly dirty very quickly and I can't see why these railcars would have been much diffferent. Tony Good morning Tony, I've found the same situation when modelling ECML Pullman cars. 'Official' photographs often show brand new cars with a white or silver roof. Yet, apart from a few isolated examples, any shots of these cars in service in rakes show them to have roofs which are soot-stained; anything from dark grey to black. Makes sense, I suppose, especially if steam-hauled. That said, Pullman rakes behind Deltics also have very dark roofs in the main. Regards, Tony. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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