RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Michael Edge said: These locos have their axleboxes fitted outside the frames rather than inside, they aren't very visible as you suggest but they are provided in the kit as overlays. I'll have to check what the instructions actually say buI I have been in contact with Daniel to offer some advice. Instructions for the NBL/Paxman kits duly altered. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, johndon said: Bad enough but, apparently, the kids of today are 'intimidated' by full stops that they see as a sign of anger: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/language-experts-say-gen-z-are-intimidated-by-full-stops-as-they-imply-anger-121408847.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20vc2VhcmNoP3E9dXNlK29mK2Z1bGwrc3RvcCtpbit0ZXh0JnFzPW4mZm9ybT1RQlJFJnNwPS0xJmdoYz0xJnBxPXVzZStvZitmdWxsK3N0b3AraW4rdGV4dCZzYz0xLTI0JnNrPSZjdmlkPTc2QUEzOUU3Q0MyODQxNzg4NDgxNTE3MEU1ODQ5MUUx&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABUq6FgtfSHyUryG8Zfc-_gGTIXpwfM0M6ZhOc17GiXdmizeGXuIszpi1P1zeJzKHEGc7pmikuKMDtO_0tqifeZP3HR9-NpUeiVDoosvs0u7DxprlR1RShTaAzBjGo0n3pnsFK3Ws1EbInISEfUzUMCZet273Km1zLFjKYQLuhX9 You really couldn't make it up... I have heard this, relates to stuff like, WhatsApp, FriendFace messenger, mobile telephone messages and the like. I always use them in WhatsApp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: In his preface to Keep the Aspidistra Flying, George Orwell drew attention to the absence of the semi-colon from the novel; he declared it a redundant piece of punctuation. My experience of reading the novels of Henry James is that he was well ahead, having abolished the full stop a good half-century beforehand. Many people dislike the semi-colon; I disagree. 3 2 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, MJI said: I have heard this, relates to stuff like, WhatsApp, FriendFace messenger, mobile telephone messages and the like. I always use them in WhatsApp. Like, What's App? 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Many people dislike the semi-colon; I disagree. I think that should be a colon. Or a full stop. Seriously, although I went to a Grammar School, and a Preparatory School before that, I feel quite inept on the finer points of punctuation. Did we not get taught them? Or have I forgotten them, like so much else that I learned at school? Note that a journalist friend of mine would disapprove of the comma in that last sentence. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MarkC Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Like, What's App? What's App, Doc? Hat, coat, gone... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 16 hours ago, 96701 said: One of the most beautiful locomotives ever built. ....after the D16/3 (with framing)! Stewart 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, stewartingram said: ....after the D16/3 (with framing)! Stewart I had to search the interweb for that. Very elegant. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted September 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Joseph_Pestell said: I think that should be a colon. Or a full stop. Seriously, although I went to a Grammar School, and a Preparatory School before that, I feel quite inept on the finer points of punctuation. Did we not get taught them? Or have I forgotten them, like so much else that I learned at school? Note that a journalist friend of mine would disapprove of the comma in that last sentence. I don't know whether I was actually taught the tenets of grammar/punctuation, Joseph. However, I was taught to be able to differentiate between what was 'right and wrong'. Or, what sounded right or wrong. For example; my English teacher would tell us, after we'd written, say, an essay, to read it out loud (not too loud, for that would have resulted in chaos and, thus, beatings). Wherever we needed to take a breath, or emphasise something or pause, almost invariably that would require some form of punctuation (are there too many commas in these sentences?). His words of wisdom have stuck with me ever since. Do you think standards in English have dropped of late, particularly in the media in all its forms? As you might know, I'm a great cricket fan, but I turn the sound off whenever David Lloyd is on commentary. Though he might once have been a good player and have a wide knowledge of the game, he 'murders' our mother tongue. 'He's been stood at short leg for most of the match'. 'He's just took a leg stump guard'. 'That bloke sat behind the bowler's arm will have to move'. And on and on.................. I despair! Mr Atherton isn't much better (and he's university-educated!). ' Myself and the West Indian captain have been discussing.............' Or words to that effect. Oh dear. Regards, Tony. Edited September 2, 2020 by Tony Wright to add something 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted September 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, stewartingram said: ....after the D16/3 (with framing)! Stewart Good afternoon Stewart, And still elegant, even when they were dirty? Regards, Tony. 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: I don't know whether I was actually taught the tenets of grammar/punctuation, Joseph. However, I was taught to be able to differentiate between what was 'right and wrong'. Or, what sounded right or wrong. For example; my English teacher would tell us, after we'd written, say, an essay, to read it out loud (not too loud, for that would have resulted in chaos and, thus, beatings). Wherever we needed to take a breath, or emphasise something or pause, almost invariably that would require some form of punctuation (are there too many commas in these sentences?). His words of wisdom have stuck with me ever since. Do you think standards in English have dropped of late, particularly in the media in all its forms? As you might know, I'm a great cricket fan, but I turn the sound off whenever David Lloyd is on commentary. Though he might once have been a good player and have a wide knowledge of the game, he 'murders' our mother tongue. 'He's been stood at short leg for most of the match'. 'He's just took a leg stump guard'. 'That bloke sat behind the bowler's arm will have to move'. And on and on.................. I despair! Mr Atherton isn't much better (and he's university-educated!). ' Myself and the West Indian captain have been discussing.............' Or words to that effect. Oh dear. Regards, Tony. They are both Lancastrians. Just sayin'... My parents (Dad was also a Lancastrian, as those who know my surname will have guessed) once stayed on holiday in the same hotel as the Lloyds. During a conversation it emerged that David Lloyd is, or at least was at that time, a bit of a model railway man. Anyway, you should listen to TMS and watch the telly with the sound turned down. Much better all round. 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 The English language in written and spoken form has evolved over centuries, and with the invention of modern means of communication that change has accelerated. Going forward,you dudes are going to have to keep the grammar on the lowkey and learn to flex about something else....... 1 1 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Do you think standards in English have dropped of late, particularly in the media in all its forms? Of that I have no doubt at all. Even on the BBC News, poor syntax leads to some completely misleading reports. And as for the spelling on the rolling captions.... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 15 hours ago, Mark C said: Stotfold, for example.... I lived in Stotfold for a year or so in about 1985 while I worked at ICL in Letchworth. Hated living so far south away from a decent pint. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: The English language in written and spoken form has evolved over centuries, and with the invention of modern means of communication that change has accelerated. Going forward,you dudes are going to have to keep the grammar on the lowkey and learn to flex about something else....... Lighting a second twist of blue touch paper ... Or as Ali G might put it: "Gwaan forward, you dudes iz gonna af keep da grammar on da lowkey an' learn to flex about sumfink else." 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollar Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Members of the Gauge O Guild and the Scalefour Society may already know this, but the whole Hollar Models range of wagon posters is now available as free downloads. The 4mm range is on the Scalefour Society's web site (https://www.scalefour.org/hollar/) and the 7mm range from the GOG's site (https://www.scalefour.org/hollar/). Tone 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecorbusier Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Of that I have no doubt at all. Even on the BBC News, poor syntax leads to some completely misleading reports. And as for the spelling on the rolling captions.... A counter position .... I do find when viewing News etc from years gone by (the year that was), the presentation now sounds affected and stilted to the point of parody. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted September 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lecorbusier said: A counter position .... I do find when viewing News etc from years gone by (the year that was), the presentation now sounds affected and stilted to the point of parody. Perhaps Tim, However, we have no one to replace the likes of Sylvia Peters, Richard Dimbleby or Raymond Glendenning (I hope I've spelled their names correctly). Perfect diction, perfect pronunciation, perfect annunciation and impossible to misunderstand. Or, am I just nostalgic for a time when steam locos ruled our rails? Regards, Tony. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecorbusier Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Perhaps Tim, However, we have no one to replace the likes of Sylvia Peters, Richard Dimbleby or Raymond Glendenning (I hope I've spelled their names correctly). Perfect diction, perfect pronunciation, perfect annunciation and impossible to misunderstand. Or, am I just nostalgic for a time when steam locos ruled our rails? Regards, Tony. I may be way off base ... but I suspect that what many who find today's spoken world somewhat painful might actually want, is a contemporary updated version of a past, which chimes with there own preferences (prejudices?) .... and in reality they might find a return to the days of yore not exactly what they have selectively remembered. I find it facinating how often I return to something I enjoyed in the past to find it markedly differrent from the memory and often jarring - not always, but often. Edited September 2, 2020 by Lecorbusier 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Tony Wright Posted September 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2020 Anyway, enough of English (at least for the time being) and on to some fine 4mm locos................ Actually, to be fair, I'd like to start with an example of 3mm FS modelling at its finest - Mick Rawling's Great Northern(I) 4-4-0. Scratch-built (on the kitchen table; see the current MRJ), it's a wonderful creation. This DJH 'Duchess' was (I think) built by Mike Edge (and weathered by Baz Oliver?) in EM for service on Carlisle. One doesn't have to kit-build to get a decent 'Semi', as Iain Henderson has shown by this modified Hornby example. I should say 'much-modified', because it's running on a Comet chassis. A4s will always be popular locos (in any scale). Is this the best RTR example (it should be at the price)? I still don't know why I bought this Golden Age Models' A4. Tom Foster is currently weathering it (more of Tom's work later). Eric Kidd certainly didn't spend anything like as much to get his model of MERLIN. I think this is a much-modified Hornby example. And Morgan Gilbert certainly made a beautiful job of modifying his Hornby A4, to the extent of building a new chassis for it. A 'big' A4 in the form of the rebuilt W1. Wonderfully produced by Tom Rance using a Hornby A4 donor, Graeme King's resin parts and a South Eastern FS tender. The weathering is most-natural. More later..................... 30 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted September 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lecorbusier said: I may be way off base ... but I suspect that what many who find today's spoken world somewhat painful might actually want, is a contemporary updated version of a past, which chimes with there own preferences (prejudices?) .... and in reality they might find a return to the days of yore not exactly what they have selectively remembered. I find it facinating how often I return to something I enjoyed in the past to find it markedly differrent from the memory and often jarring - not always, but often. Agreed Tim, But just listen to the presentations of those I've mentioned (and many of their contemporaries) to see what I mean. Then, listen to some of today's. Accents so 'thick' as to be incomprehensible at times. Jarring, squawking and shrill tones, so much so as to be hard on my ears. Regards, Tony 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecorbusier Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Agreed Tim, But just listen to the presentations of those I've mentioned (and many of their contemporaries) to see what I mean. Then, listen to some of today's. Accents so 'thick' as to be incomprehensible at times. Jarring, squawking and shrill tones, so much so as to be hard on my ears. Regards, Tony During the recent test series against Pakistan they have been playing archive recordings of lunchtime discussions from the past ... the two I listened to were Peter O-Toole and John Cleese ... both in conversation with Brian Johnstone. Very entertaining .... but also very much period pieces which to my ear tipped ever so slightly into Parody. No doubt if the discussions were contemporary they would have come across stilted & odd! I like accents and regional variation ... I enjoy idiomatic english and the myriad of local ways that grammer is 'twisted and butchered' from a purist standpoint. That said there are certain accents which I find jarring and unpleasant, which I think in the end is down to taste. I have recently been watching some of the early Fred Dibnah offerings on Youtube ... in purist terms he certainly 'butchers' the queens english, and I suspect even at the time there was an element of self parody in the programmes ... but for me they are of considerable merit none the less and I appreciate the regional richness of sentence construction and vocabulary. God save us from bland uniformity. Of course, one person's treat can be another person's poison. Edited September 2, 2020 by Lecorbusier 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Tony Wright Posted September 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Some more rather nice 4mm locos............ Modern RTR is very good indeed. So good that many confirmed 'builders' now use it; with modifications, of course. This modified Hornby A3 saw service on (the now-cremated) Gamston Bank; built by John Houlden. And a much-modified Hornby O1 on South Pelaw (in EM). And even more of an RTR modification; Tim Easter produced this A2/2 for Gilbert Barnatt using a Bachmann A2 as a donor and Graeme King's resin/etched parts. The weathering is very-natural. With Hornby's forthcoming A2/2 (this actual engine as one) there'll now be no need for this sort of inventiveness; another 'loss' to the hobby. Speaking of weathering, there are few as good as Tim Shackleton at the craft. I detailed/modified this RTR Bachmann A1 and Tim did the business on it. I sold it on (not because of anything wrong) but because I prefer to make my own. Tom Foster is another brilliant weatherer, as this quartet of modified Hornby Gresley Pacifics will testify. Aren't I lucky, having so many splendid locos visit Little Bytham? Top drawer in 4mm modelling? Geoff Haynes built and painted this Mitchell 'Castle' in P4. Another fine 'Castle', this time in EM, running on Robert Dudley-Cooke's Kingstorre. SR locos also operate on Kingstorre. More top-drawer stuff. This B3 was scratch-built by Mike Edge and painted by (I think) Larry Goddard. And more scratch-building, this time running on 'The Gresley Beat'. With Hornby's P2 available, who needs to do this sort of thing now? Though not strictly-speaking a locomotive (though it is self-propelled), is there anything finer than that which runs on Pendon? Some more later............... Edited September 2, 2020 by Tony Wright to add something 32 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, chris p bacon said: The English language in written and spoken form has evolved over centuries, and with the invention of modern means of communication that change has accelerated. Going forward,you dudes are going to have to keep the grammar on the lowkey and learn to flex about something else....... Despite Dave's progressive use of our native tongue, don't be mislead. When he is in the dark triangle of Sandy, Potton and Biggleswade he can spark up a conversation with the locals speaking in their fluent 12th century Anglo-Saxon and use his limited Franco-Norman when communicating with the Lord of the Manor. And before I get any come back, being a born Bedfordian by the time I went to secondary school I could swear in Italian, Urdu, Polish, Punjabi and Swahili all in a West Indian accent. 4 2 1 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Lecorbusier said: A counter position .... I do find when viewing News etc from years gone by (the year that was), the presentation now sounds affected and stilted to the point of parody. That is a totally different matter. I am all for a more relaxed style of presentation than used to be the case: just as I am for more informality in clothing at work. But when the writers of the news bulletin, not the presenters, can not construct a sentence so it means what they want it to mean, it devalues the news story. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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