RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted November 27, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 Out of interest, some rather good examples of Geoff Haynes' weathering........................... Geoff describes his methods in his new book from Crowood. These are a mixture of airbrush, powders and dry-brush work. These are the property of Ian Wilson, and are in O Gauge. They're made from kits or modified RTR, and run on his ironstone branch. One of the best ways of achieving realism in railway modelling is weathering. Why do some not do it? 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) In my particular case, some of my stock is weathered but not the great majority of it, as really should be the case. The reasons include the fact that I've failed so far to find the time to weather it all as well as research the necessary prototype details, build it / buy it / run it / maintain it, given that other aspects of (real) life keep intruding upon my modelling time. I keep trying to get it all done...... Edited November 27, 2019 by gr.king 1 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy 53B Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 23 hours ago, ScRSG said: You guys down South are really fortunate, I wish we could persuade him to go a (good bit) further North! According to the website, he will be at a couple of Toy fairs a bit further North, maybe not a 'good bit'. He'll be at Doncaster on 30th December and Bolton the day after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, Andy 53B said: According to the website, he will be at a couple of Toy fairs a bit further North, maybe not a 'good bit'. He'll be at Doncaster on 30th December and Bolton the day after. Thanks for that but still a couple of hundred miles short! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jol Wilkinson Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, micklner said: Eileens Emporium sell Brass sections. As does Phil at Hobby Holidays, who may have a bigger selection of sizes IIRC. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: Out of interest, some rather good examples of Geoff Haynes' weathering........................... Geoff describes his methods in his new book from Crowood. These are a mixture of airbrush, powders and dry-brush work. These are the property of Ian Wilson, and are in O Gauge. They're made from kits or modified RTR, and run on his ironstone branch. One of the best ways of achieving realism in railway modelling is weathering. Why do some not do it? I thought something looked odd with the brake gear, and it is a bit, not seen that combination of handle and brake setup before. You learn something everyday. (It is correct, just a bit weird) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, MJI said: I thought something looked odd with the brake gear, and it is a bit, not seen that combination of handle and brake setup before. You learn something everyday. (It is correct, just a bit weird) It's just a more effective alternative to the usual reversing dog clutch found on many railway wagons. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted November 27, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, MJI said: I thought something looked odd with the brake gear, and it is a bit, not seen that combination of handle and brake setup before. You learn something everyday. (It is correct, just a bit weird) I haven't a clue whether the brake gear is correct or not. If it's incorrect (is it?), then should I have posted the pictures? If it is wrong (and I knew that), then I wouldn't have shown them. Which leads me on (in a somewhat tangential manner) to the current issue of Railway Modeller (which, as usual, is a damn good read). In it, in the 'Railway of the Month' feature I find I'm mentioned. Apparently there's a 'Tony Wright school of accuracy' (though I taught for at least half of my 40+ year professional career, I never had my own school!). At first I was rather flattered (in a pompous sort of way?), assuming that it was a 'compliment', until I noted the lamps on the locos in the pictures. In almost every picture, whoever put the lamps on the locos belongs to the 'Tony Wright school of inaccuracy'! Expresses/excursions lamped-up as pick-up goods trains? Or a local lamped-up as a light engine? Or, no lamps at all! Which, I wonder, is worse? Though the photographs are good, doesn't the photographer know these things? Does he not know they're so wrong? If he did know, why not mention it? Then take 'correct' pictures. I know this is a personal 'bee in my bonnet' thing, and many folk just won't care, or even know. It's just that, with such fine overall modelling, as far as I'm concerned, the illusion of reality is 'lost'. Still, LB is next month's RM 'Railway of the Month'. We shall see how well that stands up to 'critical' scrutiny. If things are wrong, I hope folk point them out. Regards, Tony. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Jesse Sim said: Only roo I eat is the one I’ve shot. Skippy.... 10 hours ago, Bucoops said: Interesting find - MARC models do the Silver Jubilee set already (in a more complete kit rather than the scratch aid of Worsley), although I understand availability is an issue at present? Yes (due I understand to ill-health, sadly). Tread carefully. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said: As does Phil at Hobby Holidays, who may have a bigger selection of sizes IIRC. So Phil does still have Hobby Holidays? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Hi Tony I know I have asked you this question before so please forgive for repeating myself. can you please confirm who supplies the smoke box number plate transfers you use on your model locomotives I have tried to find the information on your thread but cannot see your earlier reply. Best Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: I haven't a clue whether the brake gear is correct or not. If it's incorrect (is it?), then should I have posted the pictures? If it is wrong (and I knew that), then I wouldn't have shown them. Which leads me on (in a somewhat tangential manner) to the current issue of Railway Modeller (which, as usual, is a damn good read). In it, in the 'Railway of the Month' feature I find I'm mentioned. Apparently there's a 'Tony Wright school of accuracy' (though I taught for at least half of my 40+ year professional career, I never had my own school!). At first I was rather flattered (in a pompous sort of way?), assuming that it was a 'compliment', until I noted the lamps on the locos in the pictures. In almost every picture, whoever put the lamps on the locos belongs to the 'Tony Wright school of inaccuracy'! Expresses/excursions lamped-up as pick-up goods trains? Or a local lamped-up as a light engine? Or, no lamps at all! Which, I wonder, is worse? Though the photographs are good, doesn't the photographer know these things? Does he not know they're so wrong? If he did know, why not mention it? Then take 'correct' pictures. I know this is a personal 'bee in my bonnet' thing, and many folk just won't care, or even know. It's just that, with such fine overall modelling, as far as I'm concerned, the illusion of reality is 'lost'. Still, LB is next month's RM 'Railway of the Month'. We shall see how well that stands up to 'critical' scrutiny. If things are wrong, I hope folk point them out. Regards, Tony. Hello Tony The brake gear on the 27 ton Tipplers is correct, it was an uncommon arrangement. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTLER2579 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, landscapes said: Hi Tony I know I have asked you this question before so please forgive for repeating myself. can you please confirm who supplies the smoke box number plate transfers you use on your model locomotives I have tried to find the information on your thread but cannot see your earlier reply. Best Regards David David, He uses "Pacific Models" which is run by Ian Wilson the owner of the weathered "O" Gauge Wagons featured above. Regards,Derek. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 57 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: I haven't a clue whether the brake gear is correct or not. If it's incorrect (is it?), then should I have posted the pictures? If it is wrong (and I knew that), then I wouldn't have shown them. Which leads me on (in a somewhat tangential manner) to the current issue of Railway Modeller (which, as usual, is a damn good read). In it, in the 'Railway of the Month' feature I find I'm mentioned. Apparently there's a 'Tony Wright school of accuracy' (though I taught for at least half of my 40+ year professional career, I never had my own school!). At first I was rather flattered (in a pompous sort of way?), assuming that it was a 'compliment', until I noted the lamps on the locos in the pictures. In almost every picture, whoever put the lamps on the locos belongs to the 'Tony Wright school of inaccuracy'! Expresses/excursions lamped-up as pick-up goods trains? Or a local lamped-up as a light engine? Or, no lamps at all! Which, I wonder, is worse? Though the photographs are good, doesn't the photographer know these things? Does he not know they're so wrong? If he did know, why not mention it? Then take 'correct' pictures. I know this is a personal 'bee in my bonnet' thing, and many folk just won't care, or even know. It's just that, with such fine overall modelling, as far as I'm concerned, the illusion of reality is 'lost'. Still, LB is next month's RM 'Railway of the Month'. We shall see how well that stands up to 'critical' scrutiny. If things are wrong, I hope folk point them out. Regards, Tony. It was so weird I went to look on the Paul HMRS site and yes it is correct. Nice to see that it was correct as so often people do not care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: It's just a more effective alternative to the usual reversing dog clutch found on many railway wagons. Regards, John Isherwood. It is not reversing, it is same both sides. Hence weird Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, MJI said: It is not reversing, it is same both sides. Hence weird Not on the prototype, it's not - the other side does have a lifting link; but it is to the right of the V-hanger, not over the V-hanger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, cctransuk said: Not on the prototype, it's not - the other side does have a lifting link; but it is to the right of the V-hanger, not over the V-hanger. I stand corrected (by myself) - the arrangement to which I referred applies to wagons with a cross brakeshaft. It seems that the iron ore tipplers had separate brake systems on each side, and therefore the same application on each side. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Not on the prototype, it's not - the other side does have a lifting link; but it is to the right of the V-hanger, not over the V-hanger. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbanana This is the arrangement of lifting links with a brake cross-shaft that I had in mind. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted November 27, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, landscapes said: Hi Tony I know I have asked you this question before so please forgive for repeating myself. can you please confirm who supplies the smoke box number plate transfers you use on your model locomotives I have tried to find the information on your thread but cannot see your earlier reply. Best Regards David Good afternoon David, They're not transfers, but printed paper front numberplates. They're available from Ian Wilson of Pacific Models. Every loco in each class is represented, in some cases in both 'correct' or 'incorrect' Gill Sans style. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 On the subject of weathering mineral wagons, I tried to simulate some heavy rust patches here: Areas of paint were scraped away with a knife, then the affected area attacked with solvent until the plastic began to soften and bubble. Once dry, the patches were then overpainted in rust shades and the body colour touched in around the edges to suggest peeling paint slightly overlapping the rust patch. 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: Good afternoon David, They're not transfers, but printed paper front numberplates. They're available from Ian Wilson of Pacific Models. Every loco in each class is represented, in some cases in both 'correct' or 'incorrect' Gill Sans style. Regards, Tony. Hi Tony thank you for that information, I will not forget again. I have just renamed and renumbered My PDK A2/1 using Fox Transfers and their etched nameplates, they do provide a smoke box number plate but I was really impressed with the clarity of the printed smoke box numbers you use. So I will be placing an order later today. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jol Wilkinson Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, gr.king said: So Phil does still have Hobby Holidays? As far as I know he hasn't found a buyer to take over the materials, tools, etc. side of the business, as I believe he wishes to concentrate on his 7mm kits. He is also recovering from surgery at present (as told to me by another trader) so has had to pull out of some exhibitions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted November 27, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, landscapes said: Hi Tony thank you for that information, I will not forget again. I have just renamed and renumbered My PDK A2/1 using Fox Transfers and their etched nameplates, they do provide a smoke box number plate but I was really impressed with the clarity of the printed smoke box numbers you use. So I will be placing an order later today. Regards David Good evening David, Just a few examples............................ The 'plates need to be cut out very carefully, which leaves a white border (this was prototypical at times). I run a black 'Sharpie' around the exposed white edge, making sure that it doesn't 'bleed'. Beware of applying the 'plates before weathering - enamels will affect them. I apply them after weathering, and, if necessary, then give them the slightest wipe. They're thick enough not to need a backing plate (except on an A4 or the W1 - did either of the streamlined B17s have a BR front numberplate?), though if the model has one, just stick them on top with a tiny blob of PVA, applied on the end of a cocktail stick just drawn along the rear. Regards, Tony. Edited November 27, 2019 by Tony Wright to clarify a point 15 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) I also print my own from a spreadsheet I designed years ago. Useful for all sorts of signs, station & signal box name boards etc. Not sure if my spreadsheet will post, I'll try. Go to general signs tab, cell A47 & input your number. SNMBD Excel Worksheet.xls Edited to add - yes it seems to work. You need to put your number in each cell on line 47. At the side are cabside numbers also. print on the thinnest & cheapest paper, cut out and go round the edges with a black marker as Tony says, and very lightly glue on. A fine wash of dirty turps is then all you need. This is my home made K3 (before Bachmann released theirs) A cut down V2 body, home made dome on an old V1 un motored chassis. She is powered by a Hornby B17 tender drive with a Bachmann V2 tender top. Surprisingly she runs well. Cab and smoke box numbers via my spreadsheet - cab lining is original Bachmann (I used a black V2 body & tender). Perhaps the 6 is wrong - I don't notice !! Brit 15 Edited November 27, 2019 by APOLLO 7 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Al.......interesting weathering effect there....... Three different techniques used here......... I now use Modelmates rusting solution ( there are other makes but I've not used them) which I now swear by. They give a surface just like what you have been doing but with the advantage that it's water soluble so if you don't like the finish you can start again. Once happy spray over the top with Citadel protective coating. 6 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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