BrushType4 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Sir TophamHatt said: Hmm. I bought the WWS grass (6mm) but it stil came out flat. If I go close to the board, I can see some bits trying to stand up on end but it doesn't look like anything above. Maybe I'm tapping it wrong :s You need to make sure you have a circuit. The grass must be in wet glue that touching the crocodile clip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted March 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) If its battery operated, I would say try a new battery. Could be why it works but only when really close up(i assume you mean almost touching). The 12v mains powered one I built is far more powerful than my 9v battery version and I just clip the crocodile to the track (making sure my DCC loco's are not on the same track first!!). I tend to shake the applicator vigorously around 2-3 inches from the area i am covering. Edited March 12, 2019 by ianLMS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Ive been busy making "static" grass tufts using long NOCH light green wild grass. Then using my crushed up frozen crayon idea, carefuly covering the tufts in colours to make flowers... 9 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post woko Posted February 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 29, 2020 I thought I would add my efforts to this amazing thread, its been super useful and very inspirational for a first time static grass user like myself! And now i’m addicted..... Just ask my co-workers who have to listen to my weekend static grass adventures..... Clearly I need to get out more! So this effort was mostly done using a cheap 15 quid flyswatter static grass applicator, but in all honesty it was quite ropey and took several passes before any of the grass started to stick upright! I then after reading some of the awesome work modellers had posted on this thread using the greenscene applicator purchased one, went over the grass again in places and now much happier with the results, as the fibres actually stand upright now! The static grass used is WWS. Hope this is helpful to some. Thanks Rob 16 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir TophamHatt Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Wow though, £80 on an applicator. Hmm - quite an investment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted March 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2020 My RTS 'Greenkeeper' machine which puts out a true 35Kv compared to the 12Kv of a 'Greenscene' machine, cost me €125 and is exemplary in it's performance particularly when considering the vast amount of grass required for Balcombe! I have one of the original Noch 'Grasmaster' which I use for small amounts of work with the cone attachment. http://www.microrama.de/en/rts-greenkeeper-electrostatic-flocking-tool/ Somme good stuff here: https://microrama.eu/blog/magigras-the-revolution-of-your-miniature-landscape/ 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woko Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 16:31, Sir TophamHatt said: Wow though, £80 on an applicator. Hmm - quite an investment. It certainly wasn’t cheap I agree, but definitely worth the investment considering the poor performance I got with the flyswatter! And as John says above if you are doing lots of grassing.... then well worth it! If not, then probably not so much 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 This question has probably been asked before. I'm looking for a static grass applicator that can cope with 10/12mm grass? I'm not looking to spend mega books but I do want one that will work. I built a tea strainer type which coped ok with lengths up to 5mm. Any advice welcome. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 The Greenscenes Flockit certainly does.... I run mine on a 15v wall-wart 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbler Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Im interested in the frozen crayon 'flowers' can anyone recommend what type of grater i need? I suppose, the finer, the better. Thanks Scott 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 4 hours ago, gobbler said: Im interested in the frozen crayon 'flowers' can anyone recommend what type of grater i need? I suppose, the finer, the better. Thanks Scott I use a nutmeg grater, don't tell the other half though! 1 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 16:31, Sir TophamHatt said: Wow though, £80 on an applicator. Hmm - quite an investment. Mine cost me about £85 in Warley back in 2008.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) This here is my latest grass ive been working on,its mix of Greenscenes and Noch static grasses. mixed together light green wild green light yellow burnt yellow... Edited April 20, 2020 by saxokid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Ones dry in place with watered down PVA I then spray over grass area lightly again add more static grass as build up... Seen here in this picture... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted April 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 20, 2020 My latest attempt, unkempt grass in G scale. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 15/04/2020 at 14:02, gobbler said: Im interested in the frozen crayon 'flowers' can anyone recommend what type of grater i need? I suppose, the finer, the better. Thanks Scott Hi Scott im using cheese grater just cheap on from Asda works treat... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 15/04/2020 at 18:46, sb67 said: I use a nutmeg grater, don't tell the other half though! Yer should work treat Steve,just need crayons as fine powder... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) Had a go at making some grass tufts. I picked up a cheap small baking tray and greaseproof paper on my weekly ASDA shopping trip. Static grass, PVA glue and my Noch Grasmaster produced these results. Edited May 4, 2020 by Alcanman 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted May 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2020 I’ve been struggling with my Noch Grasmaster v1 for ages. Every time I used it, the fibres fell flat, regardless of the freshness of the battery, or how the crocodile clip sat in the glue. I was just about to bin it and invest in another when I read on p122 of Scenic Modelling by John de Frayssinet that he lines his grasmaster funnel with aluminium foil touching the base. So as a last ditch attempt, I raided the kitchen. Its made a massive difference! Fibres were bristling as they hit the glue. The photo below shows the difference. On the right was the non lined attempt, and the aluminium lined attempt on the left. Both use Peco 6mm static grass. De Frayssinet didn’t indicate if it affects the life of the grasmaster, so use at your own risk, but I’m going to leave the foil in and see how it goes. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted May 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2020 One tip I was given, don’t have too thick a layer of glue, you need a thin layer for the grass to stand up. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxokid Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) On 04/05/2020 at 13:17, Captainalbino said: I’ve been struggling with my Noch Grasmaster v1 for ages. Every time I used it, the fibres fell flat, regardless of the freshness of the battery, or how the crocodile clip sat in the glue. I was just about to bin it and invest in another when I read on p122 of Scenic Modelling by John de Frayssinet that he lines his grasmaster funnel with aluminium foil touching the base. So as a last ditch attempt, I raided the kitchen. Its made a massive difference! Fibres were bristling as they hit the glue. The photo below shows the difference. On the right was the non lined attempt, and the aluminium lined attempt on the left. Both use Peco 6mm static grass. De Frayssinet didn’t indicate if it affects the life of the grasmaster, so use at your own risk, but I’m going to leave the foil in and see how it goes. When I make my grass clumps on grease proof paper,i use blobs thick pva then old oil funnel over the end of my green scenes static grass machine. this helps make raised grass clumps... Edited May 6, 2020 by saxokid 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I have a Greenscenes Flockit running of a 12v 2a wall wart and it does an excellent job on 2mm grass however I cannot make it work for anything longer Are there any suggestions what I am doing wrong, I fill it up, switch it on and shake my wrist back and forward and the grass falls out but doesn't seem to stand up vertically as I had expected it to do. I do note that some applicators use a coarser mesh for longer grass, is this what is needed as I only have the standard mesh which is plastic with around 1mm square holes. There is definitely enough static (I think) as the spark is about 1" long when I put the wire into the cup. I am trying it with Peco Scenes 4mm and 6mm grass which when it is 2mm works very well. Any suggestions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted July 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) If you want to lay down 10mm and 12mm grasses you will need a wider gauge mesh like the one on the left, which has a 6mm mesh. These came with my 35kv RTS Greenkeeper machine which does function very well with all lengths. Unfortunately Mr Lloyd (Greenscene) who sells his Flockit machines doesn't list any spares but I reckon that you could ask him. Perhaps he might be able to supply you with a larger mesh to fit your machine. Failing that Iain, you could always make your own. Here's a good selection of useful sizes in small sheets. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAINLESS-STEEL-WOVEN-WIRE-MESH-filter-grading-sheet/251198345904?hash=item3a7c9692b0:g:AXYAAOSwuTtZ2MPV Edited July 12, 2020 by Re6/6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted July 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 11/07/2020 at 18:19, WIMorrison said: I have a Greenscenes Flockit running of a 12v 2a wall wart and it does an excellent job on 2mm grass however I cannot make it work for anything longer Are there any suggestions what I am doing wrong, I fill it up, switch it on and shake my wrist back and forward and the grass falls out but doesn't seem to stand up vertically as I had expected it to do. I do note that some applicators use a coarser mesh for longer grass, is this what is needed as I only have the standard mesh which is plastic with around 1mm square holes. There is definitely enough static (I think) as the spark is about 1" long when I put the wire into the cup. I am trying it with Peco Scenes 4mm and 6mm grass which when it is 2mm works very well. Any suggestions? The Flockit ought to be capable of using 4mm and 6mm fibres successfully. It certainly works well enough at Pendon workshops. How far away from the surface are you holding the device? For longer fibres you will need to be holding the device closer to the area being covered - no more than 2cm. It will struggle with anything longer than 6mm. You're welcome to send me an e-mail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Mick, I have spoken to John Lloyd and he reckons it was the glue that is causing the issue. He thinks it is too thick (I have been using PVA from local art shop) and he suggested that I buy some of the 'proper' spray glue. I have therefore ordered some WWS Layering Spray which will hopefully work - if not I will take you up on the offer and I will drop you a mail. I still think that a larger grid might help but John insists that isn't required. https://www.wwscenics.com/product/layering-sprays/ Let's see what transpires once I get the spray 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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