RMweb Gold big jim Posted June 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2020 Father’s Day card from my 16yr old...... full of love and sincerity 5 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2020 54 minutes ago, big jim said: Father’s Day card from my 16yr old...... full of love and sincerity Next year it will be 'Can I have Mini car keys'? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted June 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, big jim said: Father’s Day card from my 16yr old...... full of love and sincerity at least it didn't go to the milk man.... 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted June 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Stubby47 said: Next year it will be 'Can I have Mini car keys'? he’s got style, he wants a 1968 Dodge Charger as his first car! 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted June 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2020 Good thought, but a '66 426 Hemi Charger would be my choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted June 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2020 I think he’s going to be buying my step dads Isuzu rodeo pick up truck off him when the time comes, he’s already got the money together for his first vehicle, I keep telling him though a lot of what he has saved will go on insurance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 G'day Folks 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 ^ Funny but it has to be manipulated. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said: ^ Funny but it has to be manipulated. Oh I dunno, I went to a customer years ago that complained the washing machine didn’t fit the space. It turned out she’d just had the kitchen redone and the jerk who’d done it had made a space 2 inches narrower at the back than the front. More worrying in the cupboard alongside was he’d put the sockets for it right beneath the sink behind the stopcock and waste connection! I explained I wouldn’t want to plug that in even if it had fitted as any leak would be lethal and suggested she got a properly qualified fitter and electrician in to sort out her kitchen! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: You aren't supposed to eat a whole pack! any more scurrilous comments like that and I’ll report them! Edited June 23, 2020 by PaulRhB 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Oh I dunno, I went to a customer years ago that complained the washing machine didn’t fit the space. It turned out she’d just had the kitchen redone and the jerk who’d done it had made a space 2 inches narrower at the back than the front. More worrying in the cupboard alongside was he’d put the sockets for it right beneath the sink behind the stopcock and waste connection! I explained I wouldn’t want to plug that in even if it had fitted as any leak would be lethal and suggested she got a properly qualified fitter and electrician in to sort out her kitchen! Hence the immortal line 'Who sold you this then'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, kevinlms said: Hence the immortal line 'Who sold you this then'? I remember this from my gas board days, an attempt to prevent us installers undermining the supposedly good work of the sell them anything sales department. Just gave us more ammunition! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, PaulRhB said: Oh I dunno, I went to a customer years ago that complained the washing machine didn’t fit the space. It turned out she’d just had the kitchen redone and the jerk who’d done it had made a space 2 inches narrower at the back than the front. More worrying in the cupboard alongside was he’d put the sockets for it right beneath the sink behind the stopcock and waste connection! I explained I wouldn’t want to plug that in even if it had fitted as any leak would be lethal and suggested she got a properly qualified fitter and electrician in to sort out her kitchen! You'll find that is common practice and allowed under current regs. With fully protected circuits it's not the problem it once was. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, chris p bacon said: You'll find that is common practice and allowed under current regs. With fully protected circuits it's not the problem it once was. What!?! Have regulations changed the laws of physics then? I don't care how rapid a response any kind of circuit breaker is, some electricity has to get through to complete the circuit and I don't want it going through me! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, chris p bacon said: You'll find that is common practice and allowed under current regs. With fully protected circuits it's not the problem it once was. I think Not... In the UK, the NICEIC states that: “Electrical sockets or switches should be fitted at a safe distance (it is recommended at least 30cm horizontally) from a sink to avoid the chance of water coming into contact with electricity. Sockets should also be easily accessible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, TheQ said: I think Not... In the UK, the NICEIC states that: “Electrical sockets or switches should be fitted at a safe distance (it is recommended at least 30cm horizontally) from a sink to avoid the chance of water coming into contact with electricity. Sockets should also be easily accessible. Problem is "should" doesn't mean "must" 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, TheQ said: I think Not... In the UK, the NICEIC states that: “Electrical sockets or switches should be fitted at a safe distance (it is recommended at least 30cm horizontally) from a sink to avoid the chance of water coming into contact with electricity. Sockets should also be easily accessible. If you read the original post I quoted. 6 hours ago, PaulRhB said: More worrying in the cupboard alongside was he’d put the sockets for it right beneath the sink behind the stopcock and waste connection! I didn't state that the regs allowed a socket alongside a sink, and I'm sure it's now more than 300mm quoted for counter top. The quote was for a socket beneath the sink in a cupboard adjacent to the Washing machine which is allowed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 From what I've read It's not a 17th edition reg, But a Building reg part P , That states Sockets should be 300mm horizontally from a sink. putting one in a cupboard beneath is not 300mm Horizontally.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheQ said: From what I've read It's not a 17th edition reg, But a Building reg part P , That states Sockets should be 300mm horizontally from a sink. putting one in a cupboard beneath is not 300mm Horizontally.. The vertical distance is not measured in the same way as the sink is an open source of water and spray. Sockets can be placed in cupboards so long as they are easily accessible, MCBO & RCD protected. It is common place and allowable to put a socket beneath a sink as Dishwashers and washing machines are generally adjacent. For the last 10 years my (Registered) Electrician has used my builds for his annual inspection, sockets have been fitted in cupboards and under the sink in several of the builds without issue. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said: ^ Funny but it has to be manipulated. Yep. Badly done photoshop of an average hotel sink. You can even see where the socket would be on the wall. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 4 hours ago, chris p bacon said: You'll find that is common practice and allowed under current regs. With fully protected circuits it's not the problem it once was. 1 hour ago, chris p bacon said: The quote was for a socket beneath the sink in a cupboard adjacent to the Washing machine which is allowed. The issue I had with it was the washing machine drain pipe falling out, or being taken out, or a leak from the sink or stopcock all had potential to spray water directly in the socket. You had pipes directly in front of the socket with barely enough room to get the plug in anyway then the U-bend directly alongside too. It was a mess much like the shoddy assembly of the cupboards, god knows what the wiring was like! I didn’t need regs to see it was dangerous and this was 25 years ago so we aren’t talking a modern set of trips necessarily being in place and as the ‘plumber’ had done the cupboards and electrics I doubt it was properly certified either by current regs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 Tom Scott did a YouTube video about the variants of "Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Batman Smells" across the world and he quoted several quite rude versions including something about Mr Blobby! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 20 hours ago, manna said: G'day Folks I once stayed in a 5 star hotel in Egypt (?) which had one of these "wetroom" type bathrooms and there was a socket low down on the wall (I assume for the maid to use her vacuum cleaner) It would have been easy to shower it at the same time as you are showering yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 So would this be a plumber or an electrician? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Plumber 100% if was a sparky it would be the apprentice on their hands and knees. Marc 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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