ac2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Hi, I've wanted to install cosmetic point rodding on to my layout for sometime, I've finally brought the parts. Now I have to problem of determining where they go. I'm not going to include a signal box on the layout so I plan to have all the rodding running towards the three-way turnout and off the layout. I appologise in advance..... What do you think would be the best route? Also, is there any specified positions where the different types of cracks and pulleys go? The lengths of rodding come in 12inch sections, should I join two lengths together with solder or is there a prototypical part? Finally, I'm using peco points does anyone have any suggestions of how to intergrate the rodding with these points? Again, sorry if these questions seem misquided, I haven't got a clue how to approach this. Many thanks, Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2012 What sort of railway is it (and what period, although that might not be too relevant in this case)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 Sorry, didn't mention. It's LMS branch terminus mid 50s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2012 Sorry, didn't mention. It's LMS branch terminus mid 50s I'm not sure how they would have cooped with the siding connection facing end in the double slip but I suspect it would be a handpoint? So run your rodding 'north' side of what I presume is the 'main line' - the 3 way point has 2 switches (= 2rods) plus 2 FPLs (1 rod working both of them), one ot the rods which works part of the three way conrinues and then crosses through to work the two switches furthest from the signalbox in the double slip. The other end of the double slip is controlled by a local handpoint lever. Two more rods run all the way to the release crossover - one works the switches at both ends and the other works the FPL in the 'main line' end. So coming from the left you have a total of 5 rods, 3 of them go on beyond the 3 way switch ends to curve following the nearest line then pass through it to get back next to the main line. One rod goes off to the double slip and the other two continue to the crossover. At which point Beast might come on the scene and make a slight alteration - which gives you a small choice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'm not sure how they would have cooped with the siding connection facing end in the double slip but I suspect it would be a handpoint? So run your rodding 'north' side of what I presume is the 'main line' - the 3 way point has 2 switches (= 2rods) plus 2 FPLs (1 rod working both of them), one ot the rods which works part of the three way conrinues and then crosses through to work the two switches furthest from the signalbox in the double slip. The other end of the double slip is controlled by a local handpoint lever. Two more rods run all the way to the release crossover - one works the switches at both ends and the other works the FPL in the 'main line' end. So coming from the left you have a total of 5 rods, 3 of them go on beyond the 3 way switch ends to curve following the nearest line then pass through it to get back next to the main line. One rod goes off to the double slip and the other two continue to the crossover. At which point Beast might come on the scene and make a slight alteration - which gives you a small choice! Your suggestions are fine (as usual Mike) - and the facing part of the slip would likely be a hand point. My comments on the layout would be, are you providing signalling ? - if not the layout would be controlled from ground frames and these would be near to the relevant points, if so then there should be a signal cabin to control the points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 Thanks very much Mike and Beast66606. I am planning on adding required signals (However, the quantity and position of these was going to be my next question to the forum) So if I'm right placement of the rodding should look a bit like the following? Could I ask if anyone has an image of a 3 way with FPLs rods? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2012 The rod to the slip should be to the other end. It would be better to sort the signalling first, as it will change some of the rodding runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 Ah ok, well I've had a go at the signal positions. How wrong am I? The red line is the start signal and grey dots are the ground signals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2012 Rodding along a platform face can be done but is a PITA to put in and maintain. As the crossover is for engine release only I would put it on a ground frame situated adjacent. As the uppermost line appears to be a dock rather than a passenger platform (ground signal for departure) it should have a trap point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 It is well worth buying MRJ issues 113 & 115 where Steve Hall wrote an execllant pair of articles on point rodding. Lots of pictures showing how it went together/looked like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2012 Try this I've assumed the arrival signal is off scene. Ground frame controls the crossover The bay looks as if it would be very short if the two signals were on a balanced bracket so I've drawn the platform and the bay signals as separate posts allowing the bay signal to be moved nearer to the point. The ground signal should be yellow. hth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 Very much appreciated. I'm undecided whether the bay will be goods only, if so, would i simple swap that signal with a ground signal? I'm also considering changing the bottom left siding into a second entry/exit to the layout, would this change anything? Just to clarify the third signal (smallest on diagram) is the ground signal? It is well worth buying MRJ issues 113 & 115 where Steve Hall wrote an execllant pair of articles on point rodding. Lots of pictures showing how it went together/looked like Thanks I'll look into these. As the uppermost line appears to be a dock rather than a passenger platform (ground signal for departure) it should have a trap point Thanks, I'll be sure to include one Again, I really appreciate the help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2012 Very much appreciated. I'm undecided whether the bay will be goods only, if so, would i simple swap that signal with a ground signal? Yes - and it would need a trap point. I'm also considering changing the bottom left siding into a second entry/exit to the layout, would this change anything? Not if it's part of the sidings, so shunting only, if it's deemed to be a goods arrival then yes. Just to clarify the third signal (smallest on diagram) is the ground signal? Yes, at present it should have a yellow arm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 Many thanks for your help. Things are much clearer now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grovenor Posted July 23, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2012 And the slip you have drawn as a single slip definitely needs to be a double slip as the stationmaster assumed, otherwise your bottom siding has no trap. You can also find a lot of info on rodding here http://www.clag.org.uk/green09.html Regards Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2012 And the slip you have drawn as a single slip definitely needs to be a double slip as the stationmaster assumed, The signalling also assumes a double slip - let me know if it is single. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 Thanks Keith, I took a look at that page. Very interesting Yes the slip is a single slip. I've decided the bay will be goods only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2012 Revised plan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 That's great, thank you very much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted July 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2012 That's great, thank you very much No problem, there should also be a trap on the siding at the bottom but space was a premium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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