RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted December 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2012 The way things are going you'll have to rename this layout to WC Blues. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted December 19, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2012 The way things are going you'll have to rename this layout to WC Blues. Is blue the right colour? SS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2012 Meanwhile..... I've built the wall for the rear of the yard, which backs on to the canal towpath. To add interest, I've included a doorway ( sans door at the moment) to allow access to said towpath. I could leave the door off, with a piece of wire mesh / fencing fixed over the gap, so a glimpse of the canal can be seen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted December 19, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2012 If it helps, my first vehicle was a ford escort MK1 VAN. L reg.... 50miles per hour max. The back doors didn't lock so I had to reverse into walls for security reasons when parking. I had one mirror only on the off side wing. does that help Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Is blue the right colour? SS Not really, but may be for the language. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2012 On a local point down here in Devon it was normall to see the secondhand vans with a bright and shiny red or blue exterior with the interior still in yellow as the largest supply of used vehicles was ex B R or Post Office Telephone fleet which had undergone a quick repaint. Wally My Dad had a T reg ex BT Dodge Commer that was still yellow but with the branding painted over in black, in a similar way to Trevor Chaplin's van linked to in post 103, no vinyls back then! Looking through the photos in the link Paul posted earlier in the thread there seems to have been a change (to black plastic grilles) around '76/'77. The kit did have some instructions, once, but I couldn't find them to pass on with the kit. IIRC these mentioned the date of the change and I think both patterns of grille are provided. I will be an early one then, it's the grille with the smaller badge (fantastic etches) so CNP468N it is then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2012 'NP' is a Worcester originated licence plate - would 'EA' for West Bromwich be more local ? See http://nice-reg.co.uk/info/area-of-issue-codes-for-classic-suffix-and-prefix-number-plates.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2012 It's only 30 miles Stu, the only car my dad bought new was registered in Hull and that's 63 miles away. And if it keeps OG happy... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2012 Could have a McVitie's biscuit factory - probably in the wings somewhere Hang on I'll get my coat..... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Using the dimensions from the ground plan for the modified Tennants building (see http://www.rmweb.co....ilds-buildings/), and Google Earth Street view I made a few sketches of the building, which do look about right. The following is the building opened out a la Pendon (i.e. all walls in one plane This morning, having to get up a early as Mrs iD left at 05:30 for work, I put together the card mock-up. But no time to take pictures - those are to come this evening. The black figure is my "6ft Bloke" (24mm) which I use to gauge whether or not the overall structure looks more-or-less right and is, more-or-less, in proportion. Very useful approach, I noted one or two things to correct on the plans before I start cutting plastic. For sake of robustness, I'll probably build an interior framework of 2.3mm x 2.3mm rod, as I did for the Oldbury Road structure. From the mockup, it seems that the Tennants building will be faster and easier to construct than Oldbury Road. Busy Christmas! iD p.s. Need brick bond identification ASAP, thanks guys. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2012 Flavio, The bricks appear to be : stretcher / header / stretcher, alternating rows with header / stretcher / header . If so, this is Flemish Bond. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Hi Stu, I thought it was (see the second post), but I am not convinced the recessed brickwork framing the windows is indeed Flemish Bond Cheers F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2012 Queing in traffic this morning between Heath Town and Fallings wood I sat behind a flat backed lorry with about six steel stillages on it... painted Blue with the company's name stensilled on it. some things don't change Andy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2012 Havng zoomed in as much as possible, it does look the same to me. The only difference might be the bricks are stretcher / 3/4 / stretcher, rather than headers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2012 Ta!! Bits are English bond, but it's more complex than that. If you look at the wall to the left of the bay you see 3 rows of stretchers separated by a row of alternating stretcher and header. If that 4 row was just headers it would be English Garden Wall bond, but with the alternates I don't know what it's called! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The Tennants building looks like it will be a very quick build, indeed (finishing is quite another matter). Here are some photos of the initial cardboard mock-up: First off some overviews: Note the "6ft Bloke" for showing the proportions.... The grey areas represent the "foundations" which will be unfinished and will be sunk into the scenery when the BCB landscapers embed the building. Now as this will be a truncated model to fit the footprint provided (and I have designed down to the last mm to meet that footprint) there are some "blank" areas and here is a picture from "behind the scenes" It remains to be seen whether or not the lads will want me to do anything with that blank area (plain brick sheet? plain sheet? either but finished, either but just with a coat of grey primer?) Now the Eagle eyed amongst you will note that the mockup has some gaps and distortions in it. Two reasons: first the cardboard was slightly warped and recalcitrant; and second, there were some design errors (such as the entrance being far too wide) - these have now been corrected. Finally, here is a comparison of the Oldbury Road mockup and the Tennants mockup: I still need to cogitate of construction, I'm still thinking plastic strut frames, 60thou carcass and SEF cladding - which given the robustness of the Oldbury Road structure is what I'll probably end up doing (99/95% certain). Comments, suggestions etc. requested. iD p.s. I may even, if I'm in the right mood over Christmas, do a STUBSPORTABOGtm to stick outside the building... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Havng zoomed in as much as possible, it does look the same to me. The only difference might be the bricks are stretcher / 3/4 / stretcher, rather than headers. I don't have the photo in front of me, but that sounds quite normal. In both english and flemish bonds (and many others) you need either quarter of three-quarter bricks in alternate rows at corners and window/door openings. They are necessary to get the alternating rows to line up correctly. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Looking at it closely there is a whole mixture of bonds at different places! Looks like it's been built in many phases. Going from the left, the first 3 bays, and possible the next 3 as well have recessed panels between the buttresses, The next five windows are all at different heights, The first floor window to the left of the bay is square, no arched brick support, but a flat lintel. The courses to the left of the Bay window section where it joins the rest don't align, guess a different build time. The remaining sections to the right appear to be the same age, but hard to see really. Anyway, from the distance that it will be seen, I think that Flavio could use the same bond through out! Makes it a bit easier! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Bits are English bond, but it's more complex than that. If you look at the wall to the left of the bay you see 3 rows of stretchers separated by a row of alternating stretcher and header. If that 4 row was just headers it would be English Garden Wall bond, but with the alternates I don't know what it's called! Flemish stretcher bond. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Any thoughts on the mockup before I start cutting plastic (starting date expected 22/12/2012)? iD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 ... but with the alternates I don't know what it's called! "Just bung something together to meet the price/deadline bond"? It would seem that construction was piecemeal and I think I'll have to split the building into two section (1) offices and (2) factory. Whether or not the unusual bond really stands out at exhibition "watching the layout" distances, I don't know. However, I'm happy to be "close enough for government work" and use English bond on the appropriate bits (any chance, Anotheran, of a sketch showing the terminally brick ignorant [me] which bits are which bond?)Looking at it closely there is a whole mixture of bonds at different places!... Looks like it's been built in many phases... I think that Flavio could use the same bond through out!... Dave I would like to get the various bonds as closely matched as possible, but although technically feasible to hand build the very odd bonds, I think that it would be misplaced effort. Effort that would be better spent getting the overall quirkiness of the building right (e.g. the mixture of bays, window types, corbelling, etc.). Once Oldbury Road is painted and Tennants is constructed, I'll be badgering the BCB fact-finders and set designer as to the best way to build the Rowland Priest Works. Pity that it's no longer there to be photographed, I'll have to rely on a mixture of guesswork and trigonometry to get the dimensions right... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2012 Looks good to me, not sure a blank back wall will be acceptable, if there are to be photos along the track behind. Will there be window boxes ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2012 Looks good to me, not sure a blank back wall will be acceptable, if there are to be photos along the track behind. Will there be window boxes ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2012 The viaduct was not fitted without a fight... Geoff has been wrestling with the structure for a couple of days. The main pillars are failrly substancial with a core of softwood but the one nearest the board joint is just 6mm of MDF some plastic cladding, filler and a 2 -3 mm void. The idea is that the viaduct sits within the wingwalls just overlapping the edge of the board. Geoffs solution involved recessing some angle brakets into the base board and the using 2mm hardwood packers running the full height up to the track bed araldited the lot to within an inch of its life..... More mods were required to the next boards approach to maintan the correct gradiaents. Its there now 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted December 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2012 Hi Stu, I thought it was (see the second post), but I am not convinced the recessed brickwork framing the windows is indeed Flemish Bond Cheers F I also feel it is flemish bond and what you are seeing is the quarter and three quarter bricks required to finish the uprights level.. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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