RMweb Premium Jason T Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2012 I think I have sussed out the roof 'issue'. Look at the aerial photo and for the cart shed, the roof is not equal on both sides (something I had missed). Does that mean that the pitch differs (Surely it can't because of the hipped roof visible on the end view) or is the rear wall lower? It is a head-scratcher. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2012 Just found the slider - didn't know about that tool, very useful Dave! Top down GoogleEarth view 1999: 2001 2006 (Post fire) 2007 2011 (Gone) The side of the building that faces the road could face the rail sidings, this would place the yard out of site behind the building and require road access also from behind (out of sight). Yes it is a long building, just the right length! Need to play a bit with the width of the wider building but I've drawn a mock up and it looks well in the proposed location. All the different aspects of the 'pub' board are starting to come together nicely. View blockers, roads, bridge alignments, canal etc. Bit tricky doing an urban landscape compared to a nice bit of green stuff. I'm guessing the size of the structure precludes outsourcing and postage though!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2012 Just noticed the asymmetric roof over the cart shed, well spotted that man! Better photos can be obtained at the weekend plus measurements if required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2012 can I just say... whilst I and others have been musing over buses I had missed just how good that Bedford Flat Bed is. Excellent work Andy Point of order Sir, Spams noticed it Sir, and commented Sir. Said it was very nice Sir. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Well, since we have a road bridge we'll need a bus. I'm as lost here as the others are with TOPS codes! From what I gather though, neither my Birmingham blue & cream Fleetline or my WMPTE DMS are really suited. What is the best off the shelf model we can tweak to suit our needs? Paul - apologies for the bus replacement service running through your thread! If I were chief provider of PSVs to BCB for the year 1975, I'd be inclined to check out Jim Smith Wright's scribings about West Midlands Daimler fleetlines, then apply the Bristol bustle and Bristol radiator grill. There are two ways to arrive at the West Midlands fleetline - The Paragon kit and the bashing of a Britbus Manchester Atlantean Jim started his thread here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=44480 and continued it into the new RMweb The West Midlands "standard" fleetlines were built to a fairly standard design by Metro Cammell and Park Royal, and the only real differences were the front indicators moving from the extreme corners to clusters, and the rainstrip over the offside emergency door set at different heights. These buses had a standard Daimler / leyland bustle on the rear and carried numbers in batches from 40xx into the 42xx series, then some 45xx and 46xx numbers, then 6301 - 7000 with a break in the 67xx series. Practically identical in appearance were the batches of 200 Bristol VRs which carried the same Metro Cammell body as the Fleetlines. The only real identification flags are the Bristol engine bustle at the rear of the bus, and the radiator grille at the front. Walsall's Birchills garage was home to many of the WMPTE VR fleet and they were seen in large numbers from Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield to Dudley, Cannock and Wolverhampton. What would be really useful would be for an 3D printing expert to produce a one piece Metro Cammell front, to replace the existing "Manchester" front. This the Britbus model http://www.showbus.com/models/gmtpegman.JPG 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2012 Looking again, the pitch of the roof changes on the cart shed; it's subtle but it definitely seems to, and not how I would have expected it to. I like that what initially seems like an easy structure is more complicated when investigated further. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'll ask about architects drawings for the rebuilld - the whole renovation got tied up with heritage folk, planners and listed building consent. It all took so long that the building nearly collapsed in the intervening period. Must admit when work started earlier in the year I thought it was being demolished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) At the other end of W E Millward Ltd's yard was an older building, once owned by a firm of civil engineers called Warner & Cholmondley Ltd. Know locally as WC's, the building was vacated then fell in to disrepair . Bill Millward negotiated the rights to use the resulting shell and removed part of the end wall that bordered his yard. In the 1970s, the yard looked something like this : What this view shows is the outbuildings at the back of the main office and drawing office area, which contained the heating boiler and the ablutions. The main challenge with this building will be 'that' wall, the toilet area and the internal roof frames. Don't expect any quick progress on this, I realy ought to finish the Millward office first. Edited December 6, 2012 by Stubby47 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2012 Point of order Sir, Spams noticed it Sir, and commented Sir. Said i was very nice Sir. We'll be the judge of that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2012 Phil, that's what I mean, very specialist! perhaps we could persuade Jim... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2012 Will this do Stu? 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2012 Brilliant !!! If Bill is watching, he'll be well chuffed. Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Stu, Just looked for trusses, and saw these an e-bay! Not sure what size / length. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WAGON-LOADS-USE-Hornby-AND-Bachmann-WOODEN-ROOF-TRUSSES-/170951462307 Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2012 Stu, Just looked for trusses, and saw these an e-bay! Not sure what size / length. http://www.ebay.co.u...S-/170951462307 Dave Cheers Dave - I can't find a length either, and no idea who actually makes them. But, I'm intending to use steel (well plastic) struts rather than wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2012 The AEC and Bedford can be further enhanced by fitting them with the excellent etched grills etc. produced by TPM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R A Watson Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 If this building rework got caught up in the planning process check the local authority web site, down here all drawings are included in the application documents posted in the planning application which should be available for public viewing. Wally 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2012 We'll be the judge of that... The case of the missing 't'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2012 Good point, I'll check it out tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2012 Looking again, the pitch of the roof changes on the cart shed; it's subtle but it definitely seems to, and not how I would have expected it to. I like that what initially seems like an easy structure is more complicated when investigated further. Oh, by the way, you read my mind and mirrored the building to suit the location! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2012 I figured that to keep the building in the same location as the prototype, all the viewer would see would be a brick wall, some slates and a few bits of corrugated iron 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2012 Despite my best efforts in not starting this building, I've been down to KMRC & bought some plastic strip to use for the roof girders, and some brick arch overlays for that wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelW Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) I think I have sussed out the roof 'issue'. Look at the aerial photo and for the cart shed, the roof is not equal on both sides (something I had missed). Does that mean that the pitch differs (Surely it can't because of the hipped roof visible on the end view) or is the rear wall lower? It is a head-scratcher. I don't think so - I think it's the angle of the photo - it's not a straight down view. You can see the walls on the 'top' side of the building, and not the bottom, so I expect the difference in width is a result of the angle of view (which I think places the camera some way off the top of the picture, so as well as looking down, you are looking down. erm, looking down from above, you are looking down the page, if you see what I mean). On the other hand, having dissimilar sides to the roof could make sense - the ridge could be offset towards the open side, giving a lower back wall (cheaper to build), without loosing that much usable height inside. This would offset the hip at the end, but that would give it a nice 'feature'. On a slightly different topic, consider carefully which wing of the building has the main roof - at the moment you have the cart shed roof being the main one - I would have expected the (fully sided) barn to have the main roof - it would be better able to support it... I'm looking forward to what you can make of this Jason. Edited December 7, 2012 by MichaelW 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Hmmmm. Have seriously, seriously, overestimated the size of this building in the sketch-up diagrams, needs quite a bit of re-thinking so it looks right.... Chris, can I extend to 200mm long ??? Edited December 7, 2012 by Stubby47 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2012 Hmmmm. Have seriously, seriously, overestimated the size of this building in the sketch-up diagrams, needs quite a bit of re-thinking so it looks right.... Chris, can I extend to 200mm long ??? What does that take the length of your combined plot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2012 Er, a smidge over 415mm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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