RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted October 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2016 Craig might be able to give more detail as to the operations but as I recall the loco led the train when I saw it cross the main road at the swing bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted October 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2016 So, instead of doing what I should have been doing this afternoon (gardening, yawn...) I did a bit of research and found an article here: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/hayle-wharf-branches.html which shows that the propelling move did indeed come all the way from St.Erth and down the incline to Hayle Wharf. Scroll down until you find some pictures with trains in them and the sequence begins with picture 7. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) They most certainly did propel all the way from St Erth to the Wharf. One of the best sources is this page: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/hayle-wharf-branches.html Note the fourth picture: "The signals are still in place, however Hayle Signal Box closed four days later on 7th July, 1982 Note the catch point leading to the worlds first sand drag." Hence there being no problem with propelling, runaways were catered for. Plus the leading brake van prevented the possibility of runaways when descending. Edit: beaten by Western Aviator (D1074??? ) Edited October 12, 2016 by Flood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) And my previous post on the Kernow Blues thread covering propelling in The West of England Sectional Appendix: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69084-kernow-blues-1970-to-1985/?p=983399 Hayle Wharf being the third entry on Page 69. Edited October 12, 2016 by Flood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Always propelled from St Erth. No run around as previously mentioned. This pays problem to my potential model of the railway. The road shunter used to bring the tanks in/out of the oil depot as the loco would be trapped inside the depot. Answers on a postcard please.... Edited October 13, 2016 by winterbournecm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted October 13, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2016 Always propelled from St Erth. No run around as previously mentioned. This pays problem to my potential model of the railway. The road shunter used to bring the tanks in/out of the oil depot as the loco would be trapped inside the depot. Answers on a postcard please.... Do you read MRJ ? There was a very interesting article in a recent issue on building a road shunter based on a digger, which ran on rail wheels hidden behind the road wheels. I found the finished model very convincing. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Always propelled from St Erth. No run around as previously mentioned. This pays problem to my potential model of the railway. The road shunter used to bring the tanks in/out of the oil depot as the loco would be trapped inside the depot. Answers on a postcard please.... One postcard coming up: Leave the road shunter at the depot end and then follow the routine below: Propel brake van, barrier wagons and loaded tanks into one of two of the old Octel sidings, drop off brake van and barrier wagons Move forward and drop off the loaded tanks into the other Octel siding Move forward over the crossing and reverse back to pick up the empty tank wagons Move forward and reverse the empty tank wagons to couple to the barrier wagons and brake van Move forward and reverse the empty tank wagons, barrier wagons and brake van to couple to the full tank wagons Move forward over the crossing and reverse back to drop off the loaded tank wagons Move forward and request clearance to cross the A30 and head back up towards Hayle Station Keep the road shunter out of the way until the loco has gone, then you can shunt to your hearts content. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D869 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Do you read MRJ ? There was a very interesting article in a recent issue on building a road shunter based on a digger, which ran on rail wheels hidden behind the road wheels. I found the finished model very convincing. ... or a vid by a certain Mr York of Laurie Adams' working 2mm scale tractor on Yeovil Town. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111449-2mm-supermeet-25th-june-2016/page-2&do=findComment&comment=2350309 Assuming you want a 4mm one it should be dead simples compared to 2mm BTW, depending on your period I think the Octel works also had a tractor for shifting wagons up and down their compound. If you look closely at the 1950 Britain from Above images (register and log in so that you can pan & zoom) then you can see it parked up between the main office block and the first of the fairly windowless process buildings. I can waste almost as much time on Britain from Above as I can on RMWeb... almost. Regards, Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 You could always strip out one of those micro radio controlled cars that seem to be about. They should be able to be squeezed into a 4mm model tractor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted November 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2016 You could always strip out one of those micro radio controlled cars that seem to be about. They should be able to be squeezed into a 4mm model tractor. Not exactly controllable down to slow shunting speeds through... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I stumbled across this amazing picture yesterday which would make a nice little diorama. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D869 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, montyburns56 said: I stumbled across this amazing picture yesterday which would make a nice little diorama. That is excellent, thanks for sharing. I have stacks of Hayle photos as part of the research for my layout but I've never seen this one before. Given the stance of the guard and driver I think this is a propelling move onto the wharf. The tank appears to be FWB3 - a demountable bromine tank belonging to F.W.Berk of St Albans. As far as I know, these worked to Watford Junction and were then transferred to a lorry for the remining journey to Berk's premises. There is a set of photos that were taken of 810 on the wharf trip. Several have appeared in Bradford Barton albums. This feels similar and *MAY* be another pic from that occasion but I can't say for sure. Regards, Andy Edited April 23, 2020 by D869 Better guess of tank number 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Love that photo, nice find! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted April 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 hours ago, montyburns56 said: I stumbled across this amazing picture yesterday which would make a nice little diorama. Everybody's missing the most important aspect of this photo - Philps' pasty bakery and shop; (top RH corner, on the edge of the quay). Motorcyclists drove, (until very recently - and will again), all the way down from Birmingham; bought and ate a pasty; and then drove all the way back again ! John Isherwood. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D869 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Everybody's missing the most important aspect of this photo - Philps' pasty bakery and shop; (top RH corner, on the edge of the quay). Motorcyclists drove, (until very recently - and will again), all the way down from Birmingham; bought and ate a pasty; and then drove all the way back again ! That seems rather extreme. I can confirm though that I have been to Hayle and checked out Philps' pasties. Very nice. I didn't leave straight away. I visited the archives and took plenty of photos of the remaining structures on North Quay (aka Hayle Wharf to train folks). I gather some prefer Hampson's pasties... controversial! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted April 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, D869 said: I gather some prefer Hampson's pasties... controversial! Whose pasties ? Never 'eard of 'em ! Barnecutt's pasties of Bodmin aren't bad, if you can't get Philps'; (nor are my wife's; but we've only been living in Cornwall for eight years) ! As for Ginsters - least said, soonest mended; they use MINCED beef - sacrilege !!! John Isherwood. Edited April 22, 2020 by cctransuk 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted April 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, D869 said: I gather some prefer Hampson's pasties... controversial! 7 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Whose pasties ? Never 'eard of 'em ! Back of Foundry Square by the old chapel. Rated by a few locals and those who prefer their pasties minus seasoning. Definitely controversial 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 hours ago, cctransuk said: As for G#@$#@#s - least said, soonest mended; they use MINCED beef - sacrilege !!! How does that word get through the swear filter. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2020 10 hours ago, cctransuk said: As for Ginsters - least said, soonest mended; they use MINCED beef - sacrilege !!! John Isherwood. I was told by a drinking buddy that worked there for a while that they used road kill, the lorries would go out full of pasties and come back full of dead animals of whatever was found on the roadside. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2020 53 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said: I was told by a drinking buddy that worked there for a while that they used road kill, the lorries would go out full of pasties and come back full of dead animals of whatever was found on the roadside. Did they die from eating the pasties? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted April 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Gwiwer said: Back of Foundry Square by the old chapel. Rated by a few locals and those who prefer their pasties minus seasoning. Definitely controversial Ahh - we'll perhaps have to make a double pick-up next time we're allowed to go to Hayle; (my wife find Philps' pasties a little too peppery for her taste). Regards, John Isherwood. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted April 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2020 5 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Did they die from eating the pasties? Wouldn't surprise me! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 21 hours ago, cctransuk said: Everybody's missing the most important aspect of this photo - Philps' pasty bakery and shop; (top RH corner, on the edge of the quay). Motorcyclists drove, (until very recently - and will again), all the way down from Birmingham; bought and ate a pasty; and then drove all the way back again ! John Isherwood. That detachable tank actually contains the bakery's daily gravy delivery. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D869 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) Hopefully this link will work... Every now and again something interesting turns up on the 'Nostalgic Hayle' Facebook group. This is an interesting shot of the weighbridge showing just how close the point switch blades were. More interesting still... the deck was still mixed gauge. No date posted with the pic but the Steam Packet Inn in the background makes it mid 60s or earlier. The weighbridge deck must have been replaced after this because it only had two rails when I saw it... which was before it was removed and reconstructed further along North Quay. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389945024615259/permalink/2917566338519779/ ... that just showed as a link. This one seems better... Edited April 8, 2021 by D869 pic link 4 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 17/06/2016 at 08:59, Martync said: Do any original track plans for the layout on Hayle Wharves exist?? I've looked up old OS maps but they are none too helpful........ Here's one I prepared earlier... Pentowan Calcining Works to Swing Bridge Swing Bridge to Engine Shed Engine Shed and Station 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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