Popular Post Rugd1022 Posted March 27, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2012 WESTERN LIVERIES D1000 - D1073, December 1961 - February 1977 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With the much awaited Dapol Western looming over the horizon, what follows is a list of all known liveries carried by all seventy four class members from D1000's entry into traffic on 20th December 1961 to that fateful, final railtour on Saturday 26th February 1977 when D1010, D1013, D1023 and D1048 bowed out in fine style. It's often perpetuated in print that the entire class wore the same maroon livery in the sixties, with some authors repeating other's previous mistakes down the years, however this was never the case, as three locos bypassed the livery altogether by going straight into blue from their earlier, green colour schemes, namely D1004 (into BFYE), D1036 (into BSYP) and D1037 (into BSYP). The only livery carried by the entire class at the same time was Blue with Full Yellow Ends, from 3rd January 1972 onwards, which was the day D1057 was released from Swindon Works, it being the last to receive this livery. Livery dates are listed in order of application, the dates themselves referring to the day they were released from Works. It's not unreasonable to assume that the actual date of painting would be some weeks beforehand and it would have taken several days to paint each loco, but these 'released from Works' dates are the best way to keep things in order. Once each loco had been released to traffic from new, whether from Swindon or Crewe, it was always Swindon's responsibility to carry out any overhauls and repair work, the only exception being when Laira Depot was granted permission to do loco repaints only in 1972. Withdrawal dates were often days, weeks or even months after the loco had been switched off for the last time and in several cases were the result of collision damage, fires, etc. I've included mention of the experimental windscreen wipers and air vents carried by certain locos as they relate to the liveries carried at the time. Regarding the wipers, most of the equipment was removed fairly quickly but some of the mountings for them remained in situ until the locos were withdrawn. D1023 is reputed to have had horizontal wipers fitted in 1967 but photographic proof has eluded me so far... Adrain Curtis's booklet on D1023 may have something on it though, alas I don't have a copy so if anyone else does please get in touch! Surprisingly, photos of Fusilier during this early period in it's life are quite rare. I'm not going to weigh this thread down with a debate on the existance or otherwise of so called 'chromatic blue', which for all intents and purposes was rail blue applied to the bodywork of seven Westerns possibly using a different undercoat and an 'airless' spraying system. We could argue the toss till the cows come home but one of the first colour shots ever taken of D1030 in it's striking new 'BSYP' livery shows the actual shade of blue to be as close to 'normal' rail blue as makes no difference. The shot I'm referring to appears in several books and magazines and shows the loco on public dispaly at Taplow (I think) alongside other rail blue vehicles. So - some general notes to start with then on with the list proper... Livery codes : MNYP = Maroon / no yellow panels MSYP = Maroon / small yellow panels MFYE = Maroon / full yellow ends GSYP = Green / small yellow panels BSYP = Blue / small yellow panels BFYE = Blue / full yellow ends (WD) = Withdrawn from BR service Roof hatches : On maroon locos the removable hatches between the cabs were black, on the seven green locos they were mid-grey, on all blue locos they were blue regardless of whether they had small yellow panels or full yellow ends. On all locos, the removable hatches directly above the cabs were body colour. Bufferbeams : This is where it starts to get complicated.... the Devil really is in the detail! On the early maroon locos without yellow panels (D1001, D1005 - D1010, D1039 - D1043) the bufferbeam area and buffer stocks were an unusual shade of yellow, some say almost lemon in colour. On the Swindon built locos this yellow was applied to the flat / vertical part of the bufferbeam area and the vee shaped bevelled edge at the bottom only. Crewe Works had their own idiosyncratic versions of this, with D1039 and D1040 having the yellow extended to the entire bevelled edge including the raised lip surrounding it, while D1041, D1042 and D1043 had the yellow going as far as the bevelled edge only, but not the raised lip. In some black and white photos it's difficult to see these variations when dirty, but they are there. Some colour photos often show this yellow to vary in tone quite a bit with some looking very pale and others looking much darker, but probably the best example of what it actually looked like in service is in Roger Geach's book 'Westerns - Back To The Old Days' which has a fine shot of D1040 hammering south towards Hatton in February 1963, with the painted 'raised lip' also clearly visible. This particular shot also illustrates very well just how dirty the maroon livery could become quite quickly, since D1040 was only five months old at the time. These yellow bufferbeams were all painted black when the locos concerned gained their small yellow panels. All subsequent maroon locos (and repaints from other versions into maroon) had black bufferbeams and buffer stocks..... from scouring hundreds of colour and black and white photos, it appears that Swindon built locos had the black applied to the vertical areas and vee shaped bevelled edge at the bottom only, while the Cewe machines had the all of the bevelled edges painted black as well, but not the raised lip surrounding them. Its very difficult to tell in some photos though, I think the only sure way to know for certain is to find an ex-works photo of your chosen loco.... not that easy with some of them! All green locos had red bufferbeams and buffer stocks (and matching name and numberplates). On Swindon built D1002, D1003 and D1004 the red was applied to the flat vertical areas and the vee shaped bevelled edge at the bottom, whilst on Crewe built D1035, D1036, D1037 and D1038 the red extended to the entire bevelled edges but not the raised lip surrounding them. With one exception, all blue locos had black bufferbeams and stocks, the odd man out being D1030, which had red bufferbeams and buffer stocks when it went into early blue livery in August 1966, which it kept until it received the by then standard BFYE in April 1970. On this loco, the red extended to the bevelled edges of the bufferbeam apron but not onto the raised lip around it, which was blue. Since all BFYE locos had black bufferbeams, this notation has been left off the individual loco list to save space! Window pillars : D1001 had white window pillars but all subsequent maroon locos had grey / off white pillars, the paint spec for which was very likely the same as that for the Hymeks. It became very dirty early on and looked darker after a few months service. All seven green locos had green pillars and the seven early blue locos all had blue pillars. This feature on green and early blue locos makes them easier to identify in certain black and white photographs. All locos which received full yellow ends, whether in maroon or blue, had yellow pillars, with the yellow extending right around the side windows, under the roof peaks and on the horizontal ledge below the windscreens. The changeover point between the full yellow front and the body colour occured just round onto the vertical sides at each cab corners, it's a very subtle Western trait this, and definitley part of their later character! Name and numberplates : Aside from the severn green locos which had red backed plates from new, all locos had black backgrounds to their cabside number and bodyside nameplates from the start. The red plates were subsequently all painted black when each of the locos were painted blue, and this was the standard for the entire class apart from the occasion when D1013's plates were painted red at Laira in April 1976, due to it's new found status as 'official' railtour engine. It kept these red plates right up intil withdrawal in February 1977. There's been a bit of an urban myth doing the rounds that D1029 also had red plates for a while, but since this idea is undoubtedly based on a black and white shot of it in blue livery in it's later years (where the plates themselves look slightly washed out) and no other evidence has come to light, I think we can safely say that it didn't.... unless of course, you know different.... . In their later years, the cleaning agents used in the WR's carriage washing plants not only ruined the blue paintwork on the bodysides, it also scoured away a lot of the black paint that had been applied by hand onto the name and numberplates, making them look very pale in certain b&w photos. It's worth mentioning here that D1000's nameplates were of a non standard size, the backing plates being the same depth as the numberplates. All other Westerns had the standard shallower height plates. There are several photos of D1062 wearing similar non standard plates parked up by the old turntable outside Swindon Works after it was saved for preservation, but these are replicas. Wheel rims and centres : When new, whether Swindon or Crewe built, all locos had polished steel wheel rims and centres, but it wasn't long before that lovely shine disappeared under a layer of grime. From photographic evidence, it appears that all locos subsequently outshopped from Swindon after later overhauls had the polished rims and centres. D1013 alone had it's rims painted white in 1976... see note above regarding it's name and numberplates! 'A' and 'B' end markers : From new, all locos had a black 2 inch high letter 'A' or 'B' positioned under the outermost handrail on all four sides. This appears to have been done away with when blue livery came along but I've seen the odd photo where a white 'A' or 'B' letter has been applied to the recessed area behind the cab door handles, or sometimes in the foostep aperture below the doors, similar to the Class 22s and some of the Warships. This doesn't seem to have been a standard application throughout though, and was probably done at depot level 'off the cuff' so to speak. Route Availablity circles and Data Panels : From new, all locos had the standard Western Region 'red dot' RA circles placed directly below the cabside numberplates. The seven early blue locos also had these, as did all other blue repaints up until about late 1968, when the same space on the cabside was occupied by the new 'Tops' style data panel stickers. Some locos that were still in maroon at this point also received them. These stickers came with a blue background, so stood out on the maroon locos that had them. On some of the later Laira repaints in blue (1972 onwards that is), the data panels weren't replaced, with some locos even having red dots put back on, although this was not an official move. It's thought that these were probably homemade jobs done by enthusiasts of the time. I do have a list somewhere of which locos did / didn't have these mods, I'll add it to the thread after the main livery list is complete. Dual Braking : Although not directly linked to the liveries in general, it's worth pointing out that none of the Westerns received dual air and vacuum brakes until 1968, meaning none of them had the extra brake pipe at each end until they'd been painted blue with full yellow ends, and even then not all had the conversion work done straight away. Locos that had recieved BFYE prior to this had to wait until their next overhaul or unplanned entry into Swindon Works for repairs to collision damage. The first was D1066 in mid 1968, the last being D1023 in September 1973. Another important point regarding dual braking.... D1017, D1018, D1019 and D1020 never received this modification, remaining vacuum braked to the bitter end. Overhead Warning Flashes : As a general rule of thumb, the Swindon built locos had their OHLE warning flashes placed lower down on the cab fronts than their Crewe built cousins from new, in some cases they were also placed slightly closer together than others. Later on, some of these ended up missing or had been repositioned slightly after collision damage repairs had taken place. If in doubt, refer to a good photograph! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ D1000 'WESTERN ENTERPRISE' (Swindon 20/12/61) 1. Desert Sand / NYP : 20/12/61 - 5/11/62 Red bufferbeams and buffer stocks, red applied to flat area of bufferbeam and vee shaped bevelled edge at the bottom only. Roof hatches mid-grey (in some photos this looks almost black). Black window pillars. Cast aluminium BR crests on secondman's cabsides. Black name and numberplates. 2. Desert Sand / SYP : 5/11/62 - 8/10/64 Other details as above. 3. MSYP : 8/10/64 - 2/6/67 Black bufferbeams now as per standard maroon livery. Roof hatches now black. Window pillars grey / off white. Cast Aluminium BR crests carried over from Desert Sand livery. Black name and numberplates. Small square vents cut into front skirts below buffers, fitted with wire mesh grilles behind - possibly for relocated air horns - reason unconfirmed and date of fitting not known (Photo of this mod in 'Diesels In Depth - Westerns' book) possibly plated over later on, also unconfirmed as photos of D1000 in BFYE are not that common. 4. BFYE : 2/6/67 - 11/2/74 (WD) Black bufferbeams now as standard blue livery. Cast aluminium crests replaced by BR arrow logos (vinyls). Black name and numberplates. D1001 'WESTERN PATHFINDER' (Swindon 12/2/62) 1. MNYP : 12/2/62 - 12/10/62 Yellow bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Roof hatches black. White window pillars. Black 'plates throughout. 2. MSYP : 12/10/62 - 27/5/68 Black bufferbeams and buffer stocks now as per standard maroon livery. Other details as above. 3. MFYE : 27/5/68 - 20/11/70 All details as above. 4. BFYE : 20/11/70 - 4/10/76 (WD) D1002 'WESTERN EXPLORER' (Swindon 19/3/62) 1. GSYP : 19/3/62 - 8/5/65 Red bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Red backed 'plates. Roof hatches mid-grey. 2. MSYP : 8/5/65 - 28/10/69 Black bufferbeams now as per standard maroon livery. Black 'plates. Roof hatches now black. 3. MFYE : 28/10/69 2/12/70 Other details as above. 4. BFYE : 2/12/70 - 29/1/74 (WD) D1003 'WESTERN PIONEER' (Swindon 14/4/62) 1. GSYP : 14/4/62 - 1/11/65 Red bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Red backed 'plates. 2. MSYP 1/11/65 - 31/12/69 Black bufferbeams now as per standard maroon livery. Roof hatches now black. Black 'plates. 3. BFYE : 31/12/69 - 5/1/75 D1004 'WESTERN CRUSADER' (Swindon 12/5/62) 1. GSYP : 12/5/62 - 8/2/67 Red bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Red backed 'plates. Roof hatches mid-grey. 2. BFYE : 8/2/67 - 1/8/73 (WD) Twin experimental square air vents cut into underside of roof peak at each end, fitted 24/8/63. D1005 'WESTERN VENTURER' (Swindon 18/6/62) 1. MNYP : 18/6/62 - 18/1/63 Yellow bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Roof hatches black. Black 'plates throughout. 2. MSYP : 18/1/63 - 24/7/67 Black bufferbeams now as per standard maroon livery. Other details as above. 3. BFYE : 24/7/67 - 14/11/76 (WD) D1006 'WESTERN STALWART' (Swindon 6/7/62) 1. MNYP : 6/7/62 - 13/12/62 Yellow bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Roof hatches black. Black 'plates throughout. 2. MSYP : 13/12/62 - 22/3/67 Black bufferbeams as per standard maroon livery. Ran without BR crest for a while in this livery. Other details as above. 3. BFYE : 22/3/67 - 6/4/75 (WD) Ran without BR arrow logos for a while in this livery. Experimental wipers fitted to driver's front windows on 4/11/65, removed when the loco was overhauled and released to traffic in BFYE, 22/3/67. D1007 'WESTERN TALISMAN' (Swindon 1/8/62) 1. MNYP : 1/8/62 - 29/11/62 Yellow bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Roof hatches black. Black 'plates throughout. 2. MSYP : 29/11/62 - 29/10/70 Bufferbeams now as per standard maroon livery. Other details as above. 3. BFYE : 29/10/70 - 29/1/74. D1008 'WESTERN HARRIER' (Swindon 4/9/62) 1. MNYP : 4/9/62 - 22/1/63 Yellow bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Roof hatches black. Black 'plates throughout. 2. MSYP : 22/1/63 - 19/3/68 Bufferbeams now as per standard maroon livery. Other details as above. 3. MFYE : 19/3/68 - 13/10/70 Other details as above. 4. BFYE : 13/10/70 - 21/10/74 (WD) D1009 'WESTERN INVADER' (Swindon 24/9/62) 1. MNYP : 24/9/62 - 2/7/63 Yellow bufferbeams ans buffer stocks, see general notes above. Roof hatches black. Black 'plates throughout. 2. MSYP : 2/7/63 - 23/3/70 Bufferbeams now black as per standard maroon livery. Other details as above. Possibly modified to small yellow panels and black bufferbeams as early as March 1963, unconfirmed. 3. BFYE : 23/3/70 - 10/11/76 (WD) D1010 'WESTERN CAMPAIGNER' (Swindon 15/10/62) 1. MNYP : 15/10/62 - 1/3/63 Yellow bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see general notes above. Roof hatches black. Black 'plates throughout. 2. MSYP : 1/3/63 - 15/8/69 Bufferbeams now black as per standard maroon livery. Other details as above. 3. BFYE : 15/8/69 - 27/2/77 (WD) D1011 'WESTERN THUNDERER' (Swindon 27/10/62) 1. MSYP : 27/10/62 - 7/3/68 First loco to be delivered in the now standardised version of maroon livery with small yellow panels from new, all subsequent locos in maroon follow the same detail pattern, barring the slight differences in bufferbeam painting between the Swindon and Crewe batches, thus : Black bufferbeam. Black roof hatches. Black 'plates throughout. 2. BFYE : 7/3/68 - 6/10/75 D1012 'WESTERN FIREBRAND' (Swindon 17/11/62) 1. MSYP : 17/11/62 - 1/3/68 2. MFYE : 1/3/68 - 4/3/71 3. BFYE 4/3/71 - 4/11/75 (WD) Experimental square air vent grille fitted to cab front at both ends, during overhaul and released as such on 4/3/71. D1013 'WESTERN RANGER' (Swindon 13/12/62) 1. MSYP : 13/12/62 - 16/8/68 2. BFYE : 16/8/68 - 27/2/77 Name and numberplates painted red, wheel rims painted white, buffer heads, headboard clips and screw couplings painted silver as of 30/4/76, carried out by Laira Depot to signify the loco's staus as the 'official' railtour engine. It kept this variation until withdrawal, although it wasn't always kept so clean. One source mentions some of the silver and white touch ups being carried a year or two earlier, although many photos of the period do not show them all clearly. D1014 'WESTERN LEVIATHAN' (Swindon 24/12/62) 1. MSYP : 24/12/62 - 15/5/70 2. BFYE 15/5/70 - 6/8/74 (WD) D1015 'WESTERN CHAMPION' (Swindon 25/1/63) 1. Golden Ochre / T-Bar at 'A' End / SYP at 'B' End : 21/1/63 - 25/1/63 The above livery experiment was tried out on D1015 for only a few days before it officially entered traffic, the now famous colour photos of it being taken outside Swindon's 'A' Shop in the WInter snow at the time showing off it's unusual T-Bar with wrap round 'wings' at one end and a non standard small yellow panel at the other. Details of this very shortlived version are as follows : Golden Ochre bufferbeams. Black buffer stocks. White window pillars. Roof hatches Cambrian Bronze Green (almost black). Black 'plates throughout. Small yellow panel at 'B' end sits about three inches above the raised lip of the bufferbeam area and has approx. three inch radius corners top and bottom, the top edge of this panel being at the same height as per MSYP / GSYP / BSYP livery variants. D1015 did not leave the confines of the Works Yard in this livery, and was taken back inside to have the T-Bar removed, re-emerging on the 25th January in the following condition : 2. Golden Ochre / SYP : 25/1/63 - 8/11/65 Golden Ochre bufferbeams as before, but now also with Golden Ochre buffer stocks. Golden Ochre window pillars. Roof hatches Cambrian Bronze Green as before. Small yellow panel at 'A' end replacing the T-Bar, to the same non standard dimensions as the 'B' end panel. It's thought that this version of the livery received a general sprucing up in time for working the returning empty stock of Sir Winston Churchill's funeral train on 30/1/65. 3. MSYP : 8/11/65 - 8/11/68 Small yellow panels at both ends now to standard dimensions. Black bufferbeams as per standard maroon livery. Roof hatches now black. 4. BFYE : 8/11/68 - 13/12/76 (WD) D1016 'WESTERN GLADIATOR' (Swindon 16/2/63) 1. MSYP : 16/2/63 - 13/3/68 2. MFYE : 13/3/68 - 17/7/70 3. BFYE : 17/7/70 - 28/12/75 (WD) D1017 'WESTERN WARRIOR' (Swindon 15/3/63) 1. MSYP : 15/3/63 - 3/2/67 2. BSYP : 3/2/67 - 7/3/68 Black bufferbeams and buffer stocks, see genral notes above. Vacuum braked only throughout. 3. BFYE : 7/3/68 - 1/8/73 (WD) D1018 'WESTERN BUCCANEER' (Swindon 2/4/63) 1. MSYP : 2/4/63 - 4/9/67 2. BFYE : 4/9/67 - 11/6/73 (WD) Vacuum braked only throughout. D1019 'WESTERN CHALLENGER' (Swindon 2/5/63) 1. MSYP : 2/5/63 - 9/12/69 2. BFYE : 9/12/69 - 6/5/73 (WD) Vacuum braked throughout. D1020 'WESTERN HERO' (Swindon 21/5/63) 1. MSYP : 21/5/63 - 29/11/67 2. BFYE : 29/11/67 - 4/6/73 (WD) Vacuum braked throughout. Experimental horizontal windscreen wipers fitted to driver's window at both ends during overhaul, released as such 29/11/67, later removed. D1021 'WESTERN CAVALIER' (Swindon 17/6/63) 1. MSYP : 17/6/63 - 19/4/67 2. BFYE : 19.4.67 - 10/8/76 (WD) D1022 'WESTERN SENTINEL' (Swindon 17/7/63) 1. MSYP : 17/7/63 - 6/7/67 2. BFYE : 6/7/67 - 26/1/77 (WD) D1023 'WESTERN FUSILIER' (Swindon 23/9/63) 1. MSYP : 23/9/63 - 19/12/67 2. BFYE : 19/12/67 - 27/2/77 (WD) Headcode panel modification 'G39' carried out as requested by the Eastern Region to allow the loco to work a King's Cross - York railtour on 20/11/76. D1023 was the only Western to have this 'white dots / dominoes' mod. and kept it until withdrawal a few months later. Some sources state that D1023 had experimental horizontal wipers fitted at both ends as of 19/12/67, so far I've found no photographic evidence of this feature. In later years certainly, the loco showed no physical signs of having them fitted. D1024 'WESTERN HUNTSMAN' (Swindon 1/10/63) 1. MSYP : 1/10/63 - 20/4/67 2. BFYE : 20/4/67 - 18/11/73 (WD) Experimental air vents cut into the underside of the roof peak at both ends, sanctioned and fitted 30/12/63. D1025 'WESTERN GUARDSMAN' (Swindon 1/11/63) 1. MSYP : 1/11/63 - 9/1/68 2. MFYE : 9/1/68 - 9/1/69 3. BFYE : 9/1/69 - 6/10/75 (WD) Built without headboard clips. D1026 'WESTERN CENTURION' (Swindon 24/12/63) 1. MSYP : 24/12/63 - 14/6/67 2. BFYE : 14/6/67 - 6/10/75 (WD) Built without headboard clips. Ran for a period without BR arrow logos at one end. D1027 'WESTERN LANCER' (Swindon 28/1/64) 1. MSYP : 28/1/64 - 9/3/69 2. BFYE : 9/3/69 - 2/11/75 (WD) Built without headboard clips. D1028 'WESTERN HUSSAR' (Swindon 25/2/64) 1. MSYP : 25/2/64 - 4/7/69 2. BFYE : 4/7/69 - 5/10/76 Built without headboard clips. Experimental square air vent fitted to cab front at both ends, released from Works as such 24/4/71. D1028 was already in blue livery by this time therefore it ran in blue without them for a of just under two years. D1029 'WESTERN LEGIONAIRE / LEGIONNAIRE' (Swindon 14/7/64) 1. MSYP : 20/4/64 - 15/9/67 Released from Swindon Works for road trials only on 20/4/64, officially entered revenue earning traffic on 14/7/64. 2. BFYE : 15/9/67 - 18/11/74 (WD) Built without headboard clips. Original nameplate had the incorrect spelling of 'Legionaire' with one 'N', this was later rectified by Swindon Works during an overhaul, from which the loco was released on 15/4/69 with the correst double 'N' spelling of 'Legionnaire'. The story goes that rather than crafting a pair of new plates from scratch, the existing plates were sliced and an additional piece was let in.... whoever now owns these plates may be able to shed some light on this . Well that's about it for the Swindon built 'Thousands'.... I'll do 'Part Two' tomorrow.... until then I'd be very grateful if Andy or one of the Mods could pin this thread so it's easy to find and refer to.... ta! (And after all that I hope it appears where it should, it's taken all afternoon / evening to sort out, type out and double check...!). 37 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted March 27, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2012 Nidge pinned as requested Thanks a million. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 That certainly merits a "like this". Can you do the Peaks next please Nidge............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Nidge, I'm not even bothering to go through it Well done though, I'm sure it will be helpful to a lot of people. Trevor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 27, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2012 Excellent job Nidge. The Swindon bufferbeam 'yellow' was very definitely a 'bright' version - far more so than warning yellow and something of a shock the very first time I saw (and photographed the loco - alas in b&w) outside A shop at Swindon in process of final work and adjustments before trials. I do wonder about the 'grey' widow pillars as they always struck me as being far more grey than the almost duck-egg colour used on the Hymeks but alas although I've got pics of both when new they are - of course - again in b&w Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 28, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2012 Exellent resourse, thanks Nidge. When you get to D1036, will you able to include details on the different number plate position? Just a thought as one to go for that's slightly different, assuming they were already positioned slightly higher when the loco was green. Oh gawd this could get expensive.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the comments guys, I hope it's useful to those who are after the info . I was really hoping to get all seventy four locos done in one post, but as I was typing it all out yesterday and double / triple / quadruple checking as I went along, I had to keep digging out various books for reference and doing so I came across clear evidence of all of those minute but necessary bufferbeam detail variations etc which as far as I can tell, haven't been rounded up in one place of reference before.... hence I ran out of time! If I don't get the Crewe built machines done today I'll probably leave it for Saturday as I have two twelve hour shifts coming up tomorrow and Friday (on sacred Western Region metals, huzzah!) . All of the info is to hand and already written out in rough, I just need to be sure it's right before posting. Good job I'm checking as I go along as I've just noticed another detail variation on D1030 since I came home from work! Andrew - yes, D1036's high level numberplates will get a look in! They were fitted higher up from new and stayed that way until withdrawal.... there's at least one published photo of it being painted green at Crewe with the numberplate in place but no nameplate fitted at the time the pic was taken. Emperor would make a nice choice for a Dapol release - it carried three distinct liveries in it's fourteen year career. Peter - Peaks....? Computer says no... we don't 'do' Derby in this house matey!! Edited March 28, 2012 by Rugd1022 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted March 31, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Thanks again to Nidge's hard work. The only addition (Devil in the detail) I can make is the late Laira repaints. Off the top of my head D1026 Centurion had this with silver cabside valance footrests and windscreen surrounds. She looked stunning when I first saw her in July 1974, and had only just received this treatment. There were others that had this minor detail difference, but I'm away from my Curtis "Western Mythology" book which is my first point of reference to such livery variants. Will add when I'm back in the UK. Neil Edited April 1, 2012 by Downendian B***** autocorrect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted March 31, 2012 Author Share Posted March 31, 2012 Morning Neil, I was planning on doing the Laira repaints after posting 'Part 2' of the main list, but feel free to add it yourself squire! Might get around to doing Part 2 later today if I have time, I've got a 'Sweeney' style photo shoot / meet up with the Rover in London tomorrow so need to get it looking ship shape and Bristol fashion! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 In Strathwood Books "Looking back at Westerns" page 19 has a pic quoted as D1021 Western Cavalier in MFYE livery dated 26/12/68,is this a misprint or did it carry this for a very short time before going BR blue? Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D860 VICTORIOUS Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 In Strathwood Books "Looking back at Westerns" page 19 has a pic quoted as D1021 Western Cavalier in MFYE livery dated 26/12/68,is this a misprint or did it carry this for a very short time before going BR blue? Rob Hi Rob, I bought this picture as a print ages ago,and thought at the time that the info was wrong.My guess is that it's a misprint,I think it could be D1012 Western Firebrand,which carried mfye from 03/68 to 03/71. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted December 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2019 Only just found this thread linked in one of your messages. Thank you for putting this together, a very useful resource for me in the future. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Many moons ago somebody suggested to me that D1001 started out with mid-grey roof hatches, which would have been unique on a maroon loco, but then it was the very first one. I've never seen a photo of it brand new, but I must admit that in a couple of shots from ground level not long after introduction the visible roof hatch areas between the patches of exhaust soot do appear to be grey. Discuss?! I also logged this loco as running without a number plate around 1974 (can't look up the date at the moment, notebooks packed away) but it must have regained it soon after. I've never seen any other reference to this so was I seeing things? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Neil Phillips said: Many moons ago somebody suggested to me that D1001 started out with mid-grey roof hatches, which would have been unique on a maroon loco, but then it was the very first one. I've never seen a photo of it brand new, but I must admit that in a couple of shots from ground level not long after introduction the visible roof hatch areas between the patches of exhaust soot do appear to be grey. Discuss?! I also logged this loco as running without a number plate around 1974 (can't look up the date at the moment, notebooks packed away) but it must have regained it soon after. I've never seen any other reference to this so was I seeing things? A number of Westerns suffered side-swipe damage, which could easily have damaged a raised numberplate enough to require replacement. Whether this happened to D1001 I do not know. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordshire Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Hi, Just a question if I may, I do not think it has already been asked ? Did the Westerns have Workplates, if so where were they positioned ?? Many thanks ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, Staffordshire said: Hi, Just a question if I may, I do not think it has already been asked ? Did the Westerns have Workplates, if so where were they positioned ?? Many thanks ... Amidships, beneath the solebar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordshire Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Thanks, Were the plates, just the normal oval Crewe or Swindon Works plates ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) On 14/12/2020 at 15:44, Staffordshire said: Thanks, Were the plates, just the normal oval Crewe or Swindon Works plates ?? Here’s my Western with Builders Plate fitted above the the fuel point. Edited December 15, 2020 by TEDDYBEAR D9521 Update 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D826 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 D9521 I bloody love hydraulics, even the models get me hearing that high revving in my minds ear. I have memories of what must have been double headed warships running through Dawlish, and just love Westerns. Lovely looking models from the glimpse. Love the blue data panel on the Warship. Merry Christmas Matt W 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 22 hours ago, D826 said: D9521 I bloody love hydraulics, even the models get me hearing that high revving in my minds ear. I have memories of what must have been double headed warships running through Dawlish, and just love Westerns. Lovely looking models from the glimpse. Love the blue data panel on the Warship. Merry Christmas Matt W A few more for you of Westerns and Warships 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2020 I'm transported back to Exeter in 1970! Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 14/12/2020 at 10:44, Staffordshire said: Thanks, Were the plates, just the normal oval Crewe or Swindon Works plates ?? The works plate and all the gubbins. No idea in regards to how the "connections" have changed over the years, D1015 has been in preservation for almost three times as long as she had been in service on BR. D1015 connections Grosmont May 2008 by Pete Piszczek, on Flickr 3 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 17/12/2020 at 18:34, D826 said: D9521 I bloody love hydraulics, even the models get me hearing that high revving in my minds ear. I have memories of what must have been double headed warships running through Dawlish, and just love Westerns. Lovely looking models from the glimpse. Love the blue data panel on the Warship. Merry Christmas Matt W 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordshire Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 6 hours ago, TheEngineShed said: The works plate and all the gubbins. No idea in regards to how the "connections" have changed over the years, D1015 has been in preservation for almost three times as long as she had been in service on BR. D1015 connections Grosmont May 2008 by Pete Piszczek, on Flickr Brilliant, thanks to everyone ... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEDDYBEAR D9521 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 A few more Hydraulics all O gauge. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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