RMweb Premium Jason T Posted February 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2014 Have you got scale drawings off the station buildings Jeff? If so, bring them along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 16, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2014 Have you got scale drawings off the station buildings Jeff? If so, bring them along. Jason, I've got a set of drawings passed on to me via Ian Macdonald (KS West layout). For example: I have them on my laptop, which I'll bring with me. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2014 If you are going to order stuff from York Modelmaking it is better to do a CAD drawing of the item and email them the .dwg or .dxf file otherwise it can get rather expensive. I used them for the platform awning glazing bars for Green Ayre. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted February 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jeff, looking at the station plan view, on the far left you have a room marked "Dust" which has no apparent entrance or exit, just a window. I'm fascinated... Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebs Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'd be tempted to have a go at making that (must resist…) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jeff, looking at the station plan view, on the far left you have a room marked "Dust" which has no apparent entrance or exit, just a window. I'm fascinated... Al. I always thought it was where they kept the dustbins, though how they would get them out of a room with no door is another matter! Amazing the curiosities you see on old plans. Doubtless someone out there will know the answer! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Is it an arch or alcove from the coal store? Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jeff, looking at the station plan view, on the far left you have a room marked "Dust" which has no apparent entrance or exit, just a window. I'm fascinated... Al. Hi Al, If you look at the end elevation there is a small door half way up the wall, this would be the access and probably the floor would be at this height with the coal below from the other room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted February 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hi Al, If you look at the end elevation there is a small door half way up the wall, this would be the access and probably the floor would be at this height with the coal below from the other room. Ah, cheers Mike, I'd thought that was a window, but looking again it's as you say a small door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 Another 4 of Dave's evocative 1960s S&C pics: Jeff 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emt_911 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 The third photo is stunning. Can we expect high ballast shoulders and telegraph poles on KL2? Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Great set of pecks , pics you have there Jeff, it must have been working out when to post them, hahahhaha bet you weren't expecting that at this time of night :boast: And Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 The third photo is stunning. Can we expect high ballast shoulders and telegraph poles on KL2? Duncan The third photo is impressive with its low view and slow curve. As for KL2, I'm considering fixing the track onto a 40thou plastikard (1mm) base on top of the cork in order to create a deeper shoulder than last time. The PVA technique (adding ballast ONTO glue) works well, but even with a second layer it doesn't come out as deep as the traditional method. Also, this time I'm aware of the need for a better shoulder - last time I didn't think it through. I already have about a dozen lovely telegraph poles - never used them on the last layout. Now if I can only find them!! Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 Great set of pecks , pics you have there Jeff, it must have been working out when to post them, hahahhaha bet you weren't expecting that at this time of night :boast: And Yes, I know, Andy. But I bet you've been working out all day....all that arm movement up and down lifting those cakes! I've still got a few more photos up my sleeve.... Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted February 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 The third photo is impressive with its low view and slow curve. As for KL2, I'm considering fixing the track onto a 40thou plastikard (1mm) base on top of the cork in order to create a deeper shoulder than last time. The PVA technique (adding ballast ONTO glue) works well, but even with a second layer it doesn't come out as deep as the traditional method. Also, this time I'm aware of the need for a better shoulder - last time I didn't think it through. I already have about a dozen lovely telegraph poles - never used them on the last layout. Now if I can only find them!! Jeff Bad idea for a couple of reasons I can think of straight away, first being it will be a pain to glue it to the cork, the track to it and finally, the ballast down. Second, any noise deadening and springiness of the cork will be totally and utterly lost although using PVA does this anyway. C&L do different thicknesses of cell foam underlay which is easy to chamfer, cut, glue down, etc. Failing that, thicker cork. I really can't think of one advantage of using Plastikard, and it will cost you a small fortune. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jeff, I use the cork from Wicks / B & Q etc,(floor tiling stuff) a quick spray with a floor fixitive spray and its laid. Its also nice and thick (1/8th inch) for a really good shoulder. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 I've never used cork as a way to deaden the sound because, as you say, the PVA locks everything together and negates the cushioning. I use cork as a smooth track base on top of the board. I'd consider 1/16 inch cork for the shoulder, but 1/8 (3mm) might be bigger than I want/need. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 I think what is needed - when I get chance - is an experiment.... Now as a scientist I should know that. So prior to tracklaying - as I've done with ballasting and painting - I'll do a few trials to see how the 1/8 " shoulder looks. And you're right, Andy - cheap floor tiles from Wickes is my source too. Used to get them from Homebase, but maybe they went out of fashion there! I've also bought some via Amazon. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I've never used cork as a way to deaden the sound because, as you say, the PVA locks everything together and negates the cushioning. I use cork as a smooth track base on top of the board. I'd consider 1/16 inch cork for the shoulder, but 1/8 (3mm) might be bigger than I want/need. Jeff You can still build up either side of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 You can still build up either side of it. Yes, you're quite right there. Silly me, hadn't thought of that. I'm looking forward to all the tracklaying now! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jeff, I'm going to post an idea in the Lounge, but DON'T GET TO EXCITED JUST YET, its not the S & C. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jeff, I'm going to post an idea in the Lounge, but DON'T GET TO EXCITED JUST YET, its not the S & C. Andy I reckon the majority of posts in the Lounge aren't S&C, which adds to the interest. Anticipation growing - is it a track plan for TLGP!!?? Duncan will be excited! Jeff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 18, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2014 Well, all the action is in the Lounge at the moment, where Andy is "unveiling" his layout thoughts on paper. Last night's discussion re. ballast shoulders has set me thinking..... I will probably use 3mm cork to set a deeper shoulder on the double mainline and keep the branch and goods areas as I did last time. I'll stick to cork - which I've used for years - and chamfer it with a scalpel. Jeff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipster Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Another 4 of Dave's evocative 1960s S&C pics: 2-19-2008_001p.jpg 2-19-2008_005p.jpg 3-10-2008_034p.jpg 4-10-2008_012p.jpg Jeff Hi Jeff Loving the photo's, just to be different the first one is my favourite looking at Wild Boar. Do you know where the third one is?? I cannot place it and it's bugging me!! Quote from yourself "I've still got a few more photos up my sleeve...". They are no good up your sleeve, get them on here, PLEASE. Chip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted February 18, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2014 Hi Chip. I think the third photo is the lead up to Blea Moor North tunnel. I think the problem in recognition may be because the third picture is printed the wrong way round - it needs flipping left to right. Compare these two pics, the first is Dave's, the second is from Google... The wall arrangement close to the tunnel portal - which I modelled - looks the same, though the vegetation has grown on the moor in the intervening 40 years! Jeff 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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