bécasse Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 One of the main sources of traffic on TM is supposed to be rough timber, most of which is destined for the collieries further up the line for use as pit props. I would have expected pit props to be conveyed on the railway as "finished" pit props semi-upright in open wagons. Forest felling almost inevitably produces quite a lot of pit prop diameter timber which is most easily handled in shortish lengths and hence is "finished" (debarked and sawn to length) where it is felled. Even today, it is quite common here to see huge stake-sided timber lorries conveying loads of pit prop sized timber (although god knows what they actually use them these day). The great lengths of timber conveyed on timber bogie lorries (the almost exact equivalent of bolster rail wagons although the road bogies are coupled only by the load and cables for the electrics) are almost always of a greater diameter than would be used for pit props. Those wagons are really nice though, most fine scale 4mm modellers would have been proud to produce something looking that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted January 7, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would have expected pit props to be conveyed on the railway as "finished" pit props semi-upright in open wagons. Forest felling almost inevitably produces quite a lot of pit prop diameter timber which is most easily handled in shortish lengths and hence is "finished" (debarked and sawn to length) where it is felled. Even today, it is quite common here to see huge stake-sided timber lorries conveying loads of pit prop sized timber (although god knows what they actually use them these day). The great lengths of timber conveyed on timber bogie lorries (the almost exact equivalent of bolster rail wagons although the road bogies are coupled only by the load and cables for the electrics) are almost always of a greater diameter than would be used for pit props. Those wagons are really nice though, most fine scale 4mm modellers would have been proud to produce something looking that good. Hi bacasse, (sorry but I don't know your name), thanks for the comments. You are probably right about the pit props, I have some suitable wagons and pit prop loads I can use but there is a sawmill on Highbury and it's a good excuse to run traffic between the two. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted January 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2016 A lot of the stuff you see stripped ready for use is coniferous softwood often thinned will still quite thin some goes for fencing posts for agricultural these days. I suspect the sort of stuff used on these trucks would be mature British Hardwoods Oak, Elm Beech which would have been taken to a large sawmill capable of sawing them into planks, beam etc. The sort of stuff Jerry's traction engine and cart carry to bring the loads to the railway. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nig H Posted January 13, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Hi Andy and Jerry, Is this the pic? If so, it is my chemical pan wagon. Nig H Pic courtesy British Railway Modelling Edited January 13, 2016 by Nig H 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted January 14, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Hi Nigel, thanks for posting the picture, that's the wagon. I've finished and fitted couplings to the bolsters along with a couple of 3D printed opens which I'm very pleased with. The SDJR wagons use some transfers I picked up which look fine in the flesh but blown up the fact they are completely the wrong font is quite obvious. I shan't repaint these but will probably revert to hand lettering g in the future. The observant amongst you will notice that none of the wagons carry the correct number, I simply use the most convenient grouping on the transfer sheet, in 2mm it really doesn't bother me. Jerry Edited January 14, 2016 by queensquare 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted January 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2016 Lovely wagons Jerry. I like your attitude, to be checking the numbers on 2mm wagons would seem to be the height of pedantry. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Lovely wagons Jerry. I like your attitude, to be checking the numbers on 2mm wagons would seem to be the height of pedantry. Don I agree, Don, but I still paint them on. The other issue for me is that there is no known register of CR wagon numbers, so you just have to pick one at random from within the numbers allotted to that type of wagon or one from a photo. Only a pedant is going to look up the numbers and comment! Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted January 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2016 I agree, Don, but I still paint them on. The other issue for me is that there is no known register of CR wagon numbers, so you just have to pick one at random from within the numbers allotted to that type of wagon or one from a photo. Only a pedant is going to look up the numbers and comment! Jim I think you need to either use transfers or at least paint some squiggles that look like numbers although perhaps few of us would actually notice the lack of them. Quite often you think you have seen what should be there and no numbers could be better than oversized ones. You of course are free of any concerns with no known register of numbers there is no proof as I doubt anyone has a complete set of photos for any type of CR wagon. I have always assumed the numbers ought to be visible as the RCH checkers would need to record the wagons. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2016 My BR wagons have wrong numbers. As Eric Morecambe might once have said, they have "the right amount of numbers but not necessarily in the right order". It was whatever came off the sheets of Modelmeaster and/or Woodhead transfers most conveniently. I'm happy that there's something on the wagon that is tidy and looks right. Previous attempts at hand lettering were miserable failures. Good wagon transfers are a lifesaver. Being waterslide transfers, they are floated on and then sealed with Polly-S acrylic matt varnish. I have been wondering what a "chemical pan" wagon was so it's instructive to see the photos and Phil's explanation. My first thought was that it's something to collect Elsans en-masse. Mark 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mm Andy Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Those of us who model the BR era are lucky in that there is such a good range of transfers from the likes of Fox, Modelmaster, Cambridge Custom Transfers, etc. that getting the right number is simply a case of snipping the right bit of the sheet out. Trouble is that the information is also more easily available to those who delight in telling you about all the mistakes in your models! I've always been advised to work from prototype photos, so unsurprisingly the few completely finished wagons I do have bear a remarkable resemblance to photos in books in my library or to the increasingly large collection of photos I seem to have. But at the end of the day, it's up to each one of us to decide what he/she is happy with. Andy (packing his modelling toolbox up ready for the St Albans exhibition). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) "Trouble is that the information is also more easily available to those who delight in telling you about all the mistakes in your models!" would they would be the same people who never produces any models? as for wagon numbers I once spent two weeks lettering a wagon with transfers individual numbers and letters was it worth it yes would I do it again no wagons and coaches now get "easy" numbers Cracking wagons Jerry put my own efforts to shame Edited January 15, 2016 by nick_bastable 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 ..... wagons and coaches now get "easy" numbers Early CR wagons had the number painted on the solebar. Once Drummond introduced number plates on wagons - which was the only place on the side where numbers appeared after that - they were also painted on the ends, except for on end doors. Anyone taking the trouble to study my CR wagon fleet would find that there are a lot of 1's, 4's and 7's in the numbers, while, like hurricanes in Hertfordshire, 6's,8's and 9's hardly ever happen! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CF MRC Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 Why was 6 scared? Because 7, 8, 9. Tim (from Hertfirdshire) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Why was 6 scared? Because 7, 8, 9. I heard there was nothing in that story! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branwell Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I heard there was nothing in that story! Jim Nil by mouth? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post CF MRC Posted January 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2016 The heavy gang made a trip to deepest Somerset yesterday. Lord President flattened out some dodgy track. A surprise guest also came from Canada, just fresh from overhaul at the Blackburn works. The CME in charge of the building of the P2 was heard to say: "thank goodness the buffer beams look like they will be the same height!" The driver of Dominion of Canada was less impressed, however, as the front bogie wheel had just hopped off the possibly permanent way. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted January 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2016 Had a great day at St.Albans on Sunday with Tucking Mill. Particularly enjoyed tying myself in knots on the wharf! It's a great little extension to the layout. Great to meet some fellow RMWeb members again also. Tom. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim V Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Snapped a "proper" engine on the Wharf (well it was mine). 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisveitch Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Jerry - I very much enjoyed "your" edition of MRJ and obviously the wharf article. What's the baseboard size of the wharf section? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted March 2, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2016 Jerry - I very much enjoyed "your" edition of MRJ and obviously the wharf article. What's the baseboard size of the wharf section? Thanks Chris. The wharf is a whopping 25" x 12", which bolts on the end of Tucking Mill. This increases by about 18" with the addition of a cassette deck/fiddle yard when out on its. If you want to see the layout in the flesh we are at the Leamington show this weekend. Jerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisveitch Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Thanks Chris. The wharf is a whopping 25" x 12", which bolts on the end of Tucking Mill. This increases by about 18" with the addition of a cassette deck/fiddle yard when out on its. If you want to see the layout in the flesh we are at the Leamington show this weekend. Jerry I'd love to Jerry, but the 400 mile round trip is a bit off-putting and I have an appointment on Saturday with Kerr Stuart 4415...however I am determined to see Tucking Mill et al in the flesh one day. I was interested in the size because I'm toying with a first 2mm project (something small, obviously) and although I knew it was small it has a great spacious look to it. That's just about the size I was thinking of and I have a few ideas for a similar-sized space, but Neil Parkhouse's new book is on its way to me as we speak so I might have a few more soon. Edited March 2, 2016 by chrisveitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted March 3, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 3, 2016 I'd love to Jerry, but the 400 mile round trip is a bit off-putting and I have an appointment on Saturday with Kerr Stuart 4415...however I am determined to see Tucking Mill et al in the flesh one day. I was interested in the size because I'm toying with a first 2mm project (something small, obviously) and although I knew it was small it has a great spacious look to it. That's just about the size I was thinking of and I have a few ideas for a similar-sized space, but Neil Parkhouse's new book is on its way to me as we speak so I might have a few more soon. If the Neil Parkhouse book is one of the two colour albums he's done on the forest of Dean you won't be disappointed, they are fabulous and full of wonderful inspiration for a small project. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CF MRC Posted March 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3, 2016 Chris, there will be chance to see TM at Ally Pally plus some other 2mm layouts of moderate and maximal space! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisveitch Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 If the Neil Parkhouse book is one of the two colour albums he's done on the forest of Dean you won't be disappointed, they are fabulous and full of wonderful inspiration for a small project. Jerry It's Vol.2 "Forest of Dean Lines and the Severn Bridge" - I have great expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Just a quick note to say thanks again to Jerry and Kim for letting me loose on TM for a very pleasant Sunday at Leamington. With Tom's guidance, I fared quite well in the 'learner pool' (wharf end) and I'm now a convert to shunting, uncoupling and generally not running around in circles....! I left (again) harbouring all manner of finescale thoughts.... limited for the time being to GWR railcars and short lengths of track, but who knows where they might lead..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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