RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2022 Ninety notes for a Holden tank, two cheap wagons, and a shorty Mk.III: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225306593417?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20220920135554%26meid%3D5c0d5d58aee645059903d59717d9caeb%26pid%3D101197%26rk%3D11%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D225302831289%26itm%3D225306593417%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWebMskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeedKnnRecallV1%26brand%3DHornby&_trksid=p2047675.c101197.m1850&amdata=cksum%3A2253065934175c0d5d58aee645059903d59717d9caeb|enc%3AAQAHAAABIK6kjqEQMYM5Aq%2BOhcaIlwco9wYktoCXAP3D6Fo7POUdlJK1eqFqv5Y7huO6nLq7hjqYjs5sEMudJpf20WlRkR4rhx3QBNJKhpnBzvsWMJDrxZz%2BSaf6LNqDdZcuwGTpIaYKwN7MzDjDz8s%2Bh%2FLhUf7f7uvvYnE6ISI%2FvJNCMlgq1321MHGbU5jYduZPXX9JXyKW2Zu1aiQkw0h3n7a4ot3BOvyD3Ft5rOmKs4DmxgMHCP5O4vKDATY4g0H8O9dhFvrDo3Bs07RzoXQqwHJdYjmV%2FnOwVORx5Au7xg4XEJdMbQeXayQV1M4ZwHOucVQUo%2BAPBxKuy7HAJc%2BJyphNo5oeqbCJtOhMfq5oOwEKDt%2FDpUplNBheozr%2BG1xElOIINw%3D%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675 That engine and wagons by the way are a bit of cheeky unlicenced Beatles merchandising: 'R. Starkey' open wagon and JPGR loco and van. John Paul George Ringo. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Nick C said: Or worse, perhaps - castles next to canals, perhaps with an aqueduct thrown in for good measure? Whilst Chirk Castle isn't alongside a railway or canal, its within view and the railway and canal run on parallel viaducts/aqueducts over the River Ceiriog. And the canal vanishes into a tunnel at one end... Chirk environs And while there isn't a castle, the railway and canal have a similar relationship crossing the River Goyt at Marple 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Nick C said: ... Or worse, perhaps - castles next to canals, perhaps with an aqueduct thrown in for good measure? That wouldn't happen in real life... No aqueduct, but how about Oxford? Two stations, canal, Castle and a river thrown in for good measure! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195526147734?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=88ad3deba7b74529874c04ce8d398141&bu=43007734306&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1~1&crd=20221221012544&segname=11021 Err, LNWR Coal Tank? I don't think so. Another seller who doesn't know what he has got and is rather wide of the mark with the description of it's condition. 150+ years of public education and people still can't read what is printed on the box? 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 13 hours ago, PieGuyRob said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365942736? Wow. I'm pretty certain that all the bits of track don't come to that much. I like how they have created the bays for the terminus! I suspect this layout design wasn't based on a real world prototype!? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195526147734?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=88ad3deba7b74529874c04ce8d398141&bu=43007734306&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1~1&crd=20221221012544&segname=11021 Err, LNWR Coal Tank? I don't think so. Another seller who doesn't know what he has got and is rather wide of the mark with the description of it's condition. I guess it is a tank that ran on coal? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2022 6 hours ago, MrWolf said: That castle would be huge in model form though wouldn't it? The most obvious one would be Conwy, where you have a huge Norman castle, the railway, sea and a very early suspension bridge all side by side. Now imagine trying to model it convincingly and how much space it would actually take up? Odiham castle, in my link, is quite a small one (it was just a hunting lodge) - roughly 60ft across and 30ft high (240x120mm) - so probably doble on a reasonable size layout without looking too overpowering. Modelling it in the curent ruined state would be an interesting challenge though - lots of DAS clay I suspect! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 6 hours ago, MrWolf said: Nothing wrong with modelling canals at all, simply a matter of if you're going to do it, do it justice, put as much effort in as you do with the railway, which given your reasons for including a canal, I'm sure that you are doing. I have often thought about a canal inclined plane. I have seen youtube videos about them, but, the only 2 in existence, in the UK, are the Anderton Boat Lift (Lower, depending which way you are going), and, the Falkirk wheel. There is a pretty cool one in Poland:- https://youtu.be/qcyab9-_nF4 The type I'm thinking about, are the ones with caisons which get hauled up and down a hill on a railway. A bit like this. https://youtu.be/QBBXXabtyyw I don't recall ever seeing one modelled, even in museums. It would certainly be more intresting than a set of locks! Though a full staircase set of locks, like Foxton would look impressive! Hatton locks here:- https://youtu.be/HysvUdt29Gk Though I suppose to model it correctly would take up more space than the railway. I think the Foxton inclined plane would need two 70 foot caisons, side by side! I think a canal inclined plane would be a worthy layout/diarama all by itself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PieGuyRob said: Hatton locks here:- https://youtu.be/HysvUdt29Gk Though I suppose to model it correctly would take up more space than the railway. Apparently they have a foot print of 2 miles to raise the canal 45 meters. So to accurately model it in 00 gauge, you are going to need a room 124 feet long, in 00 gauge, a mile is about 62 feet long. That also applies to the Lickey incline, which is also 2 miles long. I think those dimensions back up what have been said about canals! The railway would merely be an after thought to this canal scenario, rather than the other way around! Edited December 21, 2022 by PieGuyRob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, PieGuyRob said: I have often thought about a canal inclined plane....There is a pretty cool one in Poland A model of the Elbląg Canal would be very impressive, but would have to be fairly big, given that it can take small ships - 80' length, 9'9" width and 3'7" draught... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, PieGuyRob said: I have often thought about a canal inclined plane. I have seen youtube videos about them, but, the only 2 in existence, in the UK, are the Anderton Boat Lift (Lower, depending which way you are going), and, the Falkirk wheel. There is a pretty cool one in Poland:- https://youtu.be/qcyab9-_nF4 The type I'm thinking about, are the ones with caisons which get hauled up and down a hill on a railway. A bit like this. https://youtu.be/QBBXXabtyyw I don't recall ever seeing one modelled, even in museums. It would certainly be more intresting than a set of locks! Though a full staircase set of locks, like Foxton would look impressive! Hatton locks here:- https://youtu.be/HysvUdt29Gk Though I suppose to model it correctly would take up more space than the railway. I think the Foxton inclined plane would need two 70 foot caisons, side by side! I think a canal inclined plane would be a worthy layout/diarama all by itself. Consider the Hay inclined plane in Shropshire. Tub boats carried up and down on wheeled cradles. Google: 'Hay inclined plane images' for pics. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said: Consider the Hay inclined plane in Shropshire. Tub boats carried up and down on wheeled cradles. Google: 'Hay inclined plane images' for pics. There is one the Whitewicks did, I forget which canal, possibly Somerset, where the incline was a vertical lift, but, subterranean. It was the only one, but, weirdly never caught on. https://youtu.be/-KSLMHTgUhE This one. This would definitely fit on a railway layout, but, you wouldn't see it. Edited December 21, 2022 by PieGuyRob Added a video link 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) Another UK example was the Foxton inclined plane on the Leicester Section of the Grand Union canal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxton_Inclined_Plane It had a functional life of about 11 years... And there are plans to restore it... Edited December 21, 2022 by Hroth 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Good to see that they have at least cleared off the incline, last time I went there it was shoulder high brambles almost all the way down. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hroth said: Another UK example was the Foxton inclined plane on the Leicester Section of the Grand Union canal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxton_Inclined_Plane It had a functional life of about 11 years... And there are plans to restore it... It would be cool if they did. As far as I'm aware, there are no others on earth that operate using that method, (I stand to be corrected). In terms of the Foxton incline, I thought the arm/basin at the bottom is used for private moorings, whilst, the arm/basin at the top is an un-navigable nature reserve? Surely that will take an act of parliament to have it reopened? I stand to be corrected by someone more in the know. In terms of the Foxton incline, I don't see how the engine house can be reopened with a steam engine in this day and age. Certain protesters would have heart attacks about a coal burning steam engine., they may even glue themselves to it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, PieGuyRob said: Apparently they have a foot print of 2 miles to raise the canal 45 meters. So to accurately model it in 00 gauge, you are going to need a room 124 feet long, in 00 gauge, a mile is about 62 feet long. That also applies to the Lickey incline, which is also 2 miles long. I think those dimensions back up what have been said about canals! The railway would merely be an after thought to this canal scenario, rather than the other way around! I'll tell you something, the hydraulic lockgear on the Hatton flight is a pig to operate! (The lockgear, controlling water in and out of the lock chamber, are the inclined devices beside the locks) If you weren't on a boat, the GWR would be your best bet any time! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, PieGuyRob said: It would be cool if they did. As far as I'm aware, there are no others on earth that operate using that method, (I stand to be corrected). In terms of the Foxton incline, I thought the arm/basin at the bottom is used for private moorings, whilst, the arm/basin at the top is an un-navigable nature reserve? Surely that will take an act of parliament to have it reopened? I stand to be corrected by someone more in the know. In terms of the Foxton incline, I don't see how the engine house can be reopened with a steam engine in this day and age. Certain protesters would have heart attacks about a coal burning steam engine., they may even glue themselves to it! The general view seemed to be that had the Foxton lift survived a bit longer, it would have been converted to electric operation. Part of the problem with it was that the cost of keeping the boilers in steam wasn't justified by the use it was getting. If the upper arm wasn't subject to a closure act, then I don't think it would need an act to reopen it. Adrian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Hroth said: I'll tell you something, the hydraulic lockgear on the Hatton flight is a pig to operate! (The lockgear, controlling water in and out of the lock chamber, are the inclined devices beside the locks) The Hatton gear isn't hydraulic, its mechanical, but yes, it is hard work. Adrian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, figworthy said: The general view seemed to be that had the Foxton lift survived a bit longer, it would have been converted to electric operation. Part of the problem with it was that the cost of keeping the boilers in steam wasn't justified by the use it was getting. If the upper arm wasn't subject to a closure act, then I don't think it would need an act to reopen it. Adrian It's just that in the video I have seen, the bottom of the inlined plane is now private berthings. I don't think they would appreciate that. That's why I'm saying an act of parliament would needed.... https://youtu.be/A34fIMqHPwk Here is another video of Foxton. :) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, figworthy said: The general view seemed to be that had the Foxton lift survived a bit longer, it would have been converted to electric operation. Part of the problem with it was that the cost of keeping the boilers in steam wasn't justified by the use it was getting. If the upper arm wasn't subject to a closure act, then I don't think it would need an act to reopen it. Adrian It's just that in the video I have seen, the bottom of the inlined plane is now private berthings. I don't think they would appreciate that. That's why I'm saying an act of parliament would needed.... https://youtu.be/A34fIMqHPwk Here is another video of Foxton. :) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2022 21 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said: Oh my… https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404061000558?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=SWzPaX0-TZi&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=e--l92_9TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY It’s the description that nearly had me wet myself … 😄😁😆😂🤣 Steve S And all the other parts are there for sale do you can build hour own loco, resell it as " LOOK RARE kit built J72 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2022 11 hours ago, MrWolf said: Each to their own, it would drive me daft quite quickly, probably about fifteen minutes, it depends on what you want from a layout. Some people like to set the trains going and think of long distance travel. It's got corners not curves ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2022 18 hours ago, PieGuyRob said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394365942736? Wow. I'm pretty certain that all the bits of track don't come to that much. I like how they have created the bays for the terminus! Clearly designed by someone who saw a Sainsburys carpark and DPD distribution dept and thought why not... 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, John Besley said: It's got corners not curves ... I was trying to be diplomatic, don't want to be accused of damning other people's efforts. 🤣 It's one of those where I would try to salvage the boards and some of the track if I was given it. The problem is that you need to find someone who really wants a layout just like that who is also willing and able to pay the asking price. I can't see it selling to be honest. Edited December 22, 2022 by MrWolf 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266048470272?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=y8EYw3WjQtC&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=fPrBGeR6QDO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY ouch! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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