RMweb Premium pete_mcfarlane Posted July 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2016 Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what this is? Bonus points available for anyone who can explain why it might be worth the tenner BIN price. Built by an enthusiast they say. Presumably one who didn't own an engineer's square. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOBIL-PLASTIC-FUEL-TANKER-/301848622247?hash=item46479474a7:g:wh8AAOSwGotWmQI~ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOBIL-PETROL-TANKER-IN-DIECAST-STEEL-FROM-THE-1970s-/161338015651?hash=item25907ebfa3:g:HsoAAOSw4bVTnUr5 And there's more http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bourbon-Plastic-Berliet-MOBIL-Tanker-N-B-Friction-Drive-RARE/162125216186?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3De1addcfd3e0c4309a3c04ab64b54f53e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D301848622247 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Can someone tell me what the %*** a 'horse/mule wagon' is ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-OO-LIMITED-EDITION-GWR-7-PLANK-OPEN-WAGON-/131287052995?hash=item1e915172c3:g:xjEAAOSwd4tUCCH4 And would you pay £24.50 plus postage for one ? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Can someone tell me what the %*** a 'horse/mule wagon' is ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-OO-LIMITED-EDITION-GWR-7-PLANK-OPEN-WAGON-/131287052995?hash=item1e915172c3:g:xjEAAOSwd4tUCCH4 And would you pay £24.50 plus postage for one ? Tony It must be a special wagon to have yellow GW lettering! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr2 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what this is? Bonus points available for anyone who can explain why it might be worth the tenner BIN price. I've made an offer - if he gives me £20 I'll take it off his hands! I really like the realistic rusty weathering on it...!! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Can someone tell me what the %*** a 'horse/mule wagon' is ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-OO-LIMITED-EDITION-GWR-7-PLANK-OPEN-WAGON-/131287052995?hash=item1e915172c3:g:xjEAAOSwd4tUCCH4 And would you pay £24.50 plus postage for one ? Tony Now I always thought that horses (and mules therefore) would be carried in a closed vehicle, to avoid escapes! Looking further down the listing...all is explained! Edited July 16, 2016 by Sarahagain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grovenor Posted July 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2016 Now I always thought that horses (and mules therefore) would be carried in a closed vehicle, to avoid escapes! Looking further down the listing...all is explained! But no sign of the extension sides in any of the pics, without them its just a normal wagon. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted July 16, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2016 But no sign of the extension sides in any of the pics, without them its just a normal wagon. Regards 3rd picture of the set near the bottom of the listing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 In WW1 it would have had large GW lettering, so I hope there are suitable transfers in the extension pack. Still not sure about the yellow lettering though. Horse boxes were brown with yellow lettering, but I don't imagine these would have been painted as horse boxes. The underframe should be grey too, to match the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 In WW1 it would have had large GW lettering, so I hope there are suitable transfers in the extension pack. Still not sure about the yellow lettering though. Horse boxes were brown with yellow lettering, but I don't imagine these would have been painted as horse boxes. The underframe should be grey too, to match the body. I would tend to agree....the yellow lettering was used on the "Brown" vehicles, fitted vans and Horseboxes, etc. that could work in passenger trains.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted July 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2016 The GWR horse/mule wagons were converted from 7 plank open merchandise wagons (diag O2) with full height door openings. I wonder how the livestock would get into a mineral wagon with two full length top planks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOBIL-PLASTIC-FUEL-TANKER-/301848622247?hash=item46479474a7:g:wh8AAOSwGotWmQI~ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOBIL-PETROL-TANKER-IN-DIECAST-STEEL-FROM-THE-1970s-/161338015651?hash=item25907ebfa3:g:HsoAAOSw4bVTnUr5 Vehicle collectors seem to have bottomless pockets, but these seem to be rather too obscure (and cr@ppy) to merit these prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Culmhead Posted July 16, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2016 I know this listing has finished, but given it has not sold and listed by our great 'friend' from the Lake District I'm sure we will see it again and again and again, etc. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-RAILWAYS-CLOCKWORK-MODEL-No-T-774-0-4-0T-CONTINENTAL-LOCO-POSTMAN-PAT-/400962800230?hash=item5d5b3eca66:g:lgoAAOSwq7JUJJyP These are relatively rare, but extremely rare at this price. Cheers, Aidan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Now I always thought that horses (and mules therefore) would be carried in a closed vehicle, to avoid escapes! Looking further down the listing...all is explained! The problem is that the conversions were carried out on 7 plank open wagons, not end door mineral wagons. It would have been difficult to load large equine creatures with two through planks above the side door. The conversions were for use in France IIRC and painted WD khaki. EDIT I see that I was beaten to it. The yellow lettering would have been correct for a horse box, but, as already stated, should be 25" in the WW I period and this is the period (1912-22) when the body colour should be crimson. (Khaki and other colours were used during the war.) There is a Coopercraft kit for the correct wagon. Edited July 16, 2016 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted July 16, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2016 The GWR horse/mule wagons were converted from 7 plank open merchandise wagons (diag O2) with full height door openings. I wonder how the livestock would get into a mineral wagon with two full length top planks. Carefully. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted July 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2016 The problem is that the conversions were carried out on 7 plank open wagons, not end door mineral wagons. It would have been difficult to load large equine creatures with two through planks above the side door. The conversions were for use in France IIRC and painted WD khaki. EDIT I see that I was beaten to it. The yellow lettering would have been correct for a horse box, but, as already stated, should be 25" in the WW I period and this is the period (1912-22) when the body colour should be crimson. (Khaki and other colours were used during the war.) There is a Coopercraft kit for the correct wagon. However you look at it, Rails have properly described the wagon as it is. The problems caused by lettering the the wrong type of wagon are presumably caused by Dapol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I think we can all agree that it's got 4 wheels and runs on rails . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railsquid Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Still working for me... Bachmann PLANK COAL WAGON - ESSO BRANDED Bachmann COAL WAGON ESSO BRAND ALL VERY NICE CONDITIONUNBOXED GREAT COUPLINGS I wonder how they kept the oil from sloshing over the sides. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 I wonder how they kept the oil from sloshing over the sides. Indeed. It's also probably useful that the doors are moulded in place or it might leak a bit too . To be fair, I suppose it wouldn't be too far fetched to model a might-have-been traffic flow based on the assumption that oil shale processing actually got off the ground in the UK, rather than failing, leaving nothing but forlorn brick and iron retorts like that at Kilve. The shale would need to be transported in something if it wasn't to be processed on-site, and the ubiquitous 16 tonner would be the obvious choice post WW2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Vehicle collectors seem to have bottomless pockets, but these seem to be rather too obscure (and cr@ppy) to merit these prices. I suppose that there is the argument that, because of their cr@ppy nature, virtually none will have survived, resulting in some rarity value to those who like cr@p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) I suppose that there is the argument that, because of their cr@ppy nature, virtually none will have survived, resulting in some rarity value to those who like cr@p. It is often the unpopular items that didn't sell and thus are rare and collectable. For example Dublo Co-Bos are sought after (especially 3 rail ones) unlike the prototype. Let's not get into the prices empty boxes fetch.... Edited July 17, 2016 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Vehicle collectors seem to have bottomless pockets, but these seem to be rather too obscure (and cr@ppy) to merit these prices. They are unsold BiN or high start auction prices. In no way does it mean they are 'worth' anything like that. The only way to see how much an item is worth is to start it in an auction at 1p and see where they get to - I suspect the red thing would reach the dizzy heights of 99p! Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Indeed. It's also probably useful that the doors are moulded in place or it might leak a bit too . To be fair, I suppose it wouldn't be too far fetched to model a might-have-been traffic flow based on the assumption that oil shale processing actually got off the ground in the UK, rather than failing, leaving nothing but forlorn brick and iron retorts like that at Kilve. The shale would need to be transported in something if it wasn't to be processed on-site, and the ubiquitous 16 tonner would be the obvious choice post WW2. There was healthy and profitable extensive shale oil mining in Mid Lothian for about 80 years. Lightmoor have done a very interesting book uopn it. The internal railways were extensive feeding to the processing plants and disposing of the waste to huge 'Bings' However only the finished product was despatched on the public railways by tank, not the shale. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 I wonder how they kept the oil from sloshing over the sides. They could be for loading barrels... How big is a commercial 'barrel of oil' (as in an oil field has so-many barrels of crude oil), anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted July 17, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2016 35 Imperial gallons or 42 US gallons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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