RMweb Gold AndrueC Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ian Morgan said: That is how it is in Germany. Most 'accidents' are caused by one or more people breaking a law. All actions on the road are prescribed by laws rather than a wishy-washy Highway Code. I'm not sure what you mean by that. The Highway Code is only supposed to be a user friendly guidance document. It has never been intended to be the last word in correct road usage and should not be taken as such. It says as much right at the start: "Many of the rules in The Highway Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence." It lists the relevant legislation at the end: "Annex 4 - The road user and the law The following list can be found abbreviated throughout the Code. It is not intended to be a comprehensive guide, but a guide to some of the important points of law. For the precise wording of the law, please refer to the various Acts and Regulations (as amended) indicated in the Code. Abbreviations are listed below." In then goes on to list all the applicable laws, none of which are 'wishy washy'. But my main point was that most vehicular incidents whether illegal or not arise from poor decision making. Edited September 21, 2021 by AndrueC 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ian Morgan said: That is how it is in Germany. Most 'accidents' are caused by one or more people breaking a law. All actions on the road are prescribed by laws rather than a wishy-washy Highway Code. As all actions are prescribed by law in the UK , the highway code is just a beginner's guide.. As for the head line that's typical EDP, they sacked most of their journalists years ago, most articles are sent in by others. if there's a major incident their idea of sending a journalist is to pick up a phone and randomly call numbers of places nearby.. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, AndrueC said: I see the humour in it but it's actually correct. The vast majority of road crashes are caused by drivers - human error. It's why I dislike describing such incidents as 'accidents'. Most are not accidental, they are the result of poor decision making. Calling it an 'accident' implies that 'these things just happen' and absolves the driver(s) therefore reducing the incentive to modify behaviour. So why did you excuse the American woman who killed a young lad on his motorcycle as being an accident? Whilst berating me for calling her "names", which I didn't. I called her a coward for hiding behind her "status" and would have given her twenty years. Some of us have long memories.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, TheQ said: As for the head line that's typical EDP, they sacked most of their journalists years ago, most articles are sent in by others. if there's a major incident their idea of sending a journalist is to pick up a phone and randomly call numbers of places nearby.. That's pretty good going by most local journalism standards these days - many of them just quote what everyone else is saying on Twitter... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 19/09/2021 at 23:08, PhilJ W said: The most pointless argument in household affairs. Who cares which way it goes? As long as there's enough paper, that's all that matters to me. Stupid First World nonsense. steve 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2021 There was me thinking that this thread was for humorous things, including those things written in an ironic, flippant, or insincere way. 3 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold AndrueC Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: So why did you excuse the American woman who killed a young lad on his motorcycle as being an accident? Whilst berating me for calling her "names", which I didn't. I called her a coward for hiding behind her "status" and would have given her twenty years. Some of us have long memories.... Ah so you didn't call her names, you just called her a coward. Is English not your first language? I guess not since you obviously failed to understand my post at the time as well. That incident is entirely in accordance with what I've posted here. It's an example of a crash being caused by poor human decision making. As far as this thread is concerned that's all there is to it. However since you seem to be struggling with your reading comprehension I'll try again. In that particular case I see it as an example of a poor decision resulting from human fallibility rather than malicious intent or gross negligence. There is a big difference between me (who learnt to drive on the left and have been doing for 30 years) driving on the right while in the UK and an American woman (who learnt to drive on right and had probably been doing we assume for 20 years) driving on the right while in the UK. It thus seems wrong to me to subject her to severe criminal penalties or to treat her like a criminal for the crash. Criminal penalties can't prevent humans making mistakes. I wouldn't get 20 years for doing that and she should get a lot, lot less. As for her leaving the country that's an entirely separate matter as far as I'm concerned. The two offenses should not be conflated. And that's assuming that she had much choice in the matter anyway. Edited September 21, 2021 by AndrueC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AndrueC said: I see the humour in it but it's actually correct. The vast majority of road crashes are caused by drivers - human error. It's why I dislike describing such incidents as 'accidents'. Most are not accidental, they are the result of poor decision making. Calling it an 'accident' implies that 'these things just happen' and absolves the driver(s) therefore reducing the incentive to modify behaviour. Accidental is the opposite of deliberate. Doesn't mean that poor judgement wasn't a factor. The vast majority of incidents on the road are not deliberate, even if they're the result of behaviour that falls well below acceptable levels, and are thus still accidents. I find this common attempt at redefining the word irksome. It includes the unavoidable and hence blameless, but there's nothing in the definition exclusively so and no grounds for using it to imply blamelessness, or avoiding it on the assumption that it does. Edited September 21, 2021 by Reorte Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2021 59 minutes ago, steve1 said: The most pointless argument in household affairs. Who cares which way it goes? As long as there's enough paper, that's all that matters to me. Stupid First World nonsense. steve The question is does leaving a single sheet, mean that you aren't responsible for changing the roll? It's the next persons job! 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted September 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Hmmm, I would change the wording in that sign just a wee bit! Edited September 22, 2021 by J. S. Bach To correct a spelling error. "sigh" should be "sign"! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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raymw Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 hours ago, martin_wynne said: Cannards Grave? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 hours ago, martin_wynne said: I believe I saw a similar sign in a garden containing ornamental sheep figures made from wire - somewhere in the Western Isles. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 19 hours ago, 96701 said: There was me thinking that this thread was for humorous things, including those things written in an ironic, flippant, or insincere way. Hi Phil, Just wait until Mercury goes retrograde on the 27th ! Gibbo. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Hroth Posted September 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2021 8 hours ago, PhilJ W said: And Arctic Rolls? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gibbo675 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Hi Folks, Although I didn't have a camera with me yesterday I spotted a sign in a shop window that said, "All paints reduced to clear" My thought was, "Wouldn't that be varnish ?" Gibbo. 1 1 4 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 23, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2021 What's red and smells like green paint? . . . . . . . . . . . . Red paint. 3 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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