steve1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 13 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Useful advice whilst ‘bashing’ in the 1980s & 1990s… steve 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 13 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Useful advice whilst ‘bashing’ in the 1980s & 1990s… steve 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2021 13 hours ago, PhilJ W said: In Truro. Apparently it's really good fun. Not been in yet, but might have a visit over the festive period. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simontaylor484 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, luckymucklebackit said: Good Lord - I could imagine the uproar if they opened a branch in Glasgow! Jim Well half the city would be pleased at leadt 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold deepfat Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2021 for all those fans of V 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 On 13/12/2021 at 21:41, Ozexpatriate said: The association of the (offensive) term "redskin" which refers explicitly to scalping, does not (and never did) denote skin tone Really? Specific groups had specific purposes and usage of red ochre, for example: Quote During spring, the Beothuk used red ochre to paint not only their bodies but also their houses, canoes, weapons, household appliances, and musical instruments. This practice led Europeans to refer to them as "Red Indians".[citation needed] The use of ochre had great cultural significance. The decorating was done during an annual multi-day spring celebration. It designated tribal identity; for example, decorating newborn children was a way to welcome them into the tribe. Forbidding a person to wear ochre was a form of punishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beothuk#Description But the practice was wide-spread across the whole of North America Quote Red ochre was in plentiful supply so this was the most common application, hence the term 'Redskins' https://www.warpaths2peacepipes.com/native-american-culture/war-paint.htm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowley 47521 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, steve1 said: Useful advice whilst ‘bashing’ in the 1980s & 1990s… steve He’s still unavoidable… 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, PhilJ W said: 2 hours ago, Stubby47 said: In Truro. Apparently it's really good fun. Not been in yet, but might have a visit over the festive period. Apparently they are an axe throwing group, if what's on the sign is anything to go by. They are based in Cornwall hence the name 'Celtic' in the title. https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=149632280569142 I do wonder about the legality of some of the weapons they use. Edited December 16, 2021 by PhilJ W 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 On 13/12/2021 at 23:23, PhilJ W said: I'd love to know where that is in Scotland. I would hazard a guess that it's not one of the most literate parts? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 16 hours ago, PhilJ W said: On a long enough timeline, the compliance rate drops to zero. Excepting any Immortals which keep quiet about that. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 15 hours ago, PhilJ W said: https://theceltictossers.co.uk/truro/ I wonder how many customers come prepared with a picture to pin to the target? And the nominations for "Favourite Target Picture" are .... 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 5 hours ago, luckymucklebackit said: Good Lord - I could imagine the uproar if they opened a branch in Glasgow! Jim Mr. Tweedy: I told you they were organised. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, KeithMacdonald said: I'd love to know where that is in Scotland. I would hazard a guess that it's not one of the most literate parts? Its not even in Scotland. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Apparently they are an axe throwing group, if what's on the sign is anything to go by. They are based in Cornwall hence the name 'Celtic' in the title. https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=149632280569142 I do wonder about the legality of some of the weapons they use. And the legality of providing throwing axes to 9 year olds! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 39 minutes ago, pH said: And the legality of providing throwing axes to 9 year olds! It's an activity run under supervision. Appropriate footwear is required or supplied. Our Scouts have done it. Though they had their eyes opened when they went on an exchange trip with a Norwegian Scout Group. Their idea of setting up camp was to start by chopping down a few trees... 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Its not even in Scotland. OK, I'll bite. Where is it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 I can't find the original but IIRC it was Brighton. Certainly an English seaside town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, pH said: And the legality of providing throwing axes to 9 year olds! Here we teach children how to use sharp knives. https://youtu.be/Jkiij9dJfcw?t=241 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: Specific groups had specific purposes and usage of red ochre, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beothuk#Description But the practice was wide-spread across the whole of North America An interesting article. I note the [citation needed] following "This practice led Europeans to refer to them as "Red Indians" from the Wikipedia article. Thank you for including that. This is very focused on First Nations in Newfoundland, not continental North America. Even by Wikipedia standards, this is a loose claim. I think the red ochre colour could well be connected to the 19th century colour name (popular on steam locomotives) "Indian red" - where the distinction between the adjective and noun is reversed. I have no intent to debate this with you here, and I'm sure you can find many counter arguments online. Native Americans in the US have been lobbying hard to remove stigmatizing names, particularly from sports teams. The NFL Washington Football Team is an example, as are the newly renamed Cleveland Guardians (previously "Indians") baseball team. Cleveland had already dropped their "Chief Wahoo" logo a couple of years ago. Edited December 16, 2021 by Ozexpatriate 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, KeithMacdonald said: OK, I'll bite. Where is it? They have two branches in Truro and Plymouth according to their website Jim 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ozexpatriate said: An interesting article. I note the [citation needed] following "This practice led Europeans to refer to them as "Red Indians" from the Wikipedia article. Thank you for including that. This is very focused on First Nations in Newfoundland, not continental North America. Even by Wikipedia standards, this is a loose claim. I think the red ochre colour could well be connected to the 19th century colour name (popular on steam locomotives) "Indian red" - where the distinction between the adjective and noun is reversed. I have no intent to debate this with you here, and I'm sure you can find many counter arguments online. Native Americans in the US have been lobbying hard to remove stigmatizing names, particularly from sports teams. The NFL Washington Football Team is an example, as are the newly renamed Cleveland Guardians (previously "Indians") baseball team. Cleveland had already dropped their "Chief Wahoo" logo a couple of years ago. Funny how when you go to one of their casinos they use every cliché imaginable..... https://www.500nations.com/ Stopped off at a few when I was messing about with bands. The general consensus was they were often safer than many other places, so many bands used them as stop off points on tour itineraries and places to kill a few hours. Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: It's an activity run under supervision. Appropriate footwear is required or supplied. Our Scouts have done it. 57 minutes ago, Vistisen said: Here we teach children how to use sharp knives. https://youtu.be/Jkiij9dJfcw?t=241 I see that the sport uses small throwing axes. I was assuming that it involved the axes used in this version of the sport: https://www.google.ca/search?q=lumberjack+axe+throwing&source=lmns&tbm=vid&bih=715&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=mvixn&hl=en-US&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz4tHakun0AhWDop4KHVYDDg4Q_AUoAnoECAAQBQ#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0a6a1d8c,vid:tX4pq8yavj8,st:0 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Ozexpatriate said: I think the red ochre colour could well be connected to the 19th century colour name (popular on steam locomotives) "Indian red" - where the distinction between the adjective and noun is reversed. It had never occurred to me that "Indian Red" had any connection with the Wild West. It may be politically incorrect but it's got to be less offensive than that other 19th century colour called "n*gg*r black" 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said: I think the red ochre colour could well be connected to the 19th century colour name (popular on steam locomotives) "Indian red" - where the distinction between the adjective and noun is reversed. Indian red pigment is a variety of ochre (taking its colour from iron (III) oxide) but it takes its name from India; so it's no different in that respect from Chinese white (zinc oxide), or Prussian blue (iron(II,III) hexacyanoferrate(II,III)). No connection with any inhabitants of the North American continent, past or present. 2 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Indian red pigment is a variety of ochre (taking its colour from iron (III) oxide) but it takes its name from India; so it's no different in that respect from Chinese white (zinc oxide), or Prussian blue (iron(II,III) hexacyanoferrate(II,III)). No connection with any inhabitants of the North American continent, past or present. Very helpful. Thank you! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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