Tim H Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 A question: For a period in the mid-00s, the Freightliner-operated Moorswater-Hope cement empties used to work west to Par in order to run round, since the train was too long to run round at Liskeard. Anyone know precisely how it ran round? i.e. what track it used, and what (if any) shunting moves it did? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 17, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2012 A question: For a period in the mid-00s, the Freightliner-operated Moorswater-Hope cement empties used to work west to Par in order to run round, since the train was too long to run round at Liskeard. Anyone know precisely how it ran round? i.e. what track it used, and what (if any) shunting moves it did? Craig will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC it would have arrived on the DML, run round via one of the other platforms, propelled back along the DML towards St Austell and then come through the west-end crossover back onto the UML and back towards Liskeard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) A question: For a period in the mid-00s, the Freightliner-operated Moorswater-Hope cement empties used to work west to Par in order to run round, since the train was too long to run round at Liskeard. Anyone know precisely how it ran round? i.e. what track it used, and what (if any) shunting moves it did? It was a gem of the block regulations - i.e. running a train around between two signalboxes. I wont go into bell codes etc for obvious reasons, but here goes the basics of it. 1. the train is sent around to St Blazey's home signal and the loco cuts off - leaving the train still between Par ^& St Blazey. 2. The loco is sent LE back to Par. 3. The train is "drawn back" back to Par and onward to Lostwithiel leaving the section clear of any vehicles. This was when the train was Cargowaggons & PCA's. I hope this answers your question. Oops sorry Captain - we hit send button a minute apart. They well may have used the DM as well for a slightly shorter consist. Edited March 17, 2012 by winterbournecm 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Why could it not run straight into the Newquay platform from the down main and then run round using the up main through the platform whilst it is quiet? Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Thanks Kernow & Craig. Why could it not run straight into the Newquay platform from the down main and then run round using the up main through the platform whilst it is quiet? Ed The train was longer than the distance between the points at each end of the platform. Trains running between St.Blazey and Burngullow (in either direction) sometimes used the Newquay platform to run round, but only if the train was short enough to fit. More often they used the up main. I have seen a Burngullow-St.Blazey train too long to run round at all - ended up being top-and-tailed by St.Blazey's 08. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Thanks Kernow & Craig. The train was longer than the distance between the points at each end of the platform. Trains running between St.Blazey and Burngullow (in either direction) sometimes used the Newquay platform to run round, but only if the train was short enough to fit. More often they used the up main. I have seen a Burngullow-St.Blazey train too long to run round at all - ended up being top-and-tailed by St.Blazey's 08. Whilst on the subject was it the Moorswater cement that swept past me on Laira embankment at 09.33 yesterday morning? It had a green Freightliner 66 on. Saw it in my interior mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Hi - Yes it was 6C17 Westbury to Moorswater. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
floss_4 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 IIRC this train used to be twice a week with approx 20 PCAs and 8 cargowagons. This was following the closure of Plymstock cement works. It used to split at Hackney for the loaded down run with the empties going back as one train following the moves described above. I think some of the local cement distributors are now using sea and road to bring in their product resulting in the lower rail volumes. At least it is still running though albeit from Westbury though I think the cement originates from Hope still. Going back further (pre 1986?) there was a weeklyish service fron Plymstock to Chasewater which could call into St Blazey Yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) Thanks Kernow & Craig. I have seen a Burngullow-St.Blazey train too long to run round at all - ended up being top-and-tailed by St.Blazey's 08. Oddly enough we planned to do the shunt into forward section move the other week for a LWRT which was a long'un. In the end we managed in the station instead. There have been occasions when a train was longer than thought (Tops incorrect etc..) and the train has been foul of the DM, and the loco run around via Burngullow! Edited March 17, 2012 by winterbournecm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Oddly enough we planned to do the shunt into forward section move the other week for a LWRT which was a long'un. In the end we managed in the station instead. There have been occasions when a train was longer than thought (Tops incorrect etc..) and the train has been foul of the DM, and the loco run around via Burngullow! Why Burngullow? Isn't there a still a crossover at St.Austell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The St Austell cross-over is a ground frame and remotely operated. Burngullow points are directly controlled from Par box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2012 It was a gem of the block regulations - i.e. running a train around between two signalboxes. I wont go into bell codes etc for obvious reasons, but here goes the basics of it. 1. the train is sent around to St Blazey's home signal and the loco cuts off - leaving the train still between Par ^& St Blazey. 2. The loco is sent LE back to Par. 3. The train is "drawn back" back to Par and onward to Lostwithiel leaving the section clear of any vehicles. This was when the train was Cargowaggons & PCA's. I hope this answers your question. I was a big fan of ABR 11 as it used to be, one of the more useful 'odd' Regulations I always thought and I got quite snotty with someone from a lesser Region when we were revising the Block Regs back in 1985/6 and his suggestion that we should do away with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) I was a big fan of ABR 11 as it used to be, one of the more useful 'odd' Regulations I always thought and I got quite snotty with someone from a lesser Region when we were revising the Block Regs back in 1985/6 and his suggestion that we should do away with it I think Par - St Blazey is the only section we'd do it in now Mike. I do wonder if it's time AB / ET were rewritten though. The regs are a bit long winded these days, and the majority of trains dont have a loco on the nowadays. Perhaps GMSR will see of S4? Maybe a subject for another thread or forum I guess? Edited March 18, 2012 by winterbournecm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Going back further (pre 1986?) there was a weeklyish service fron Plymstock to Chasewater which could call into St Blazey Yard. Ah Chacewater cement depot. I think it closed in 1987. I went in there whilst on YTS with the crew on 1985 but didnt take any pictures in there (to my shame). Here are a couple of pictures of the working though: 37222 back at Camborne having visited Chacewater and returning East bound at Camborne 37196 on the cement at St Erth to run around 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack00 Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 that volvo looks heavier than the 37...! great pics jack. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2012 Oh to see the Down Sidings at St Erth weed free and fit for use! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 And no by-pass in the background too! It's bizarre when I look back how cr*p I was at composing a picture. If it had yellow ends and a BR arrow - shoot at it. And not taking a picture in Chacewater sidings - how rubbish is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 And no by-pass in the background too! It's bizarre when I look back how cr*p I was at composing a picture. If it had yellow ends and a BR arrow - shoot at it. And not taking a picture in Chacewater sidings - how rubbish is that? I guess a lot of us must look back at what we have taken with a critical eye, and wish we had taken more, better shots, I certainly do, but at least we have captured something of the past, a lot of scenes are otherwise lost forever. Thanks for sharing cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 off that way next week, likely to see anything exciting loco wise?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 There is NO clay on Tuesday. I'm not sure if the Moorswater cement or Burngullow stone is running, bit early to know yet. The DRS action was this week with the NR yellow train around. I'll keep you posted on here if I hear anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 What do DRS do in that neck of the woods please? Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 DRS have recently been supplying the class 37/4 traction for the Network Rail test trains, alongside the usual class 31s from the (now) DBS fleet. Sorry if misled anyone regarding actual DRS trains in Cornwall. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Thanl you Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2012 Another timber train coming down Tues pm to the Heathfield branch, departing Weds pm - for anyone passing through Devon en-route to Cornwall (as opposed to working their passage on the M.V. Whippet out of Liverpool direct to Padstow...... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Oh to see the Down Sidings at St Erth weed free and fit for use! On the subject of the Down Sidings at St Erth, I can remenber a seemingly derelict gray brake van at the end of those sidings in the 70s. It did not move for years if I remember correctly. Just wondered if anyone had any pictures of it or knows the story behind it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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