shortliner Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 ......and very nice too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Ta Jack! Β We got a preview printout of it when we visited Peco last month so I could caption the pics but I've not seen the final results yet, copy is in the post apparently. Β Did they keep the double page spread photo, that one looked awesome on the printout? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Certainly did pp 664/665 - not quite a center-fold, but at least with the new binding it hasn't got a staple through its belly button, which used to cause a lot of upset in a certain magazine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 My limited knowledge of such things suggests that nowadays its more likely to be the "ahem" models themselves who have staples, rings or other impedimenta in their belly button. Β Far, far too far OT. Β Really liked the article - can't wait to see it for real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Bought the issue based on Jack's post. quite an interesting issue for me, RS Tower and another US layout, a RhB layout and an eastern European one. Bed time reading for the next few nights Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Had a quick skim in Smiffs on my way home, IIRC Santa Barbara was the other US one, a superbly realistic bit of modern SoCal in N scale, well worth a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Well done, Martyn et al! I'll probably catch up with it about Christmas! Β Β Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 With regard to the Santa Barbara article, I found it strange that the single track section was neither mentioned, nor pictured Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Must be honest, but though Santa Barbara may be very well modelled, with only a single turnout, and no switching, it may keep Mr Lampkin happy watching trains go past - but it would bore me to tears within 5 minutes - in fact it is one of those layouts that, seen at an exhibition, would earn a glance and a "walk on by" - it is one of those layouts that, to me, has no point (actually it has one in the visible section) - but maybe that is just my POV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Could I operate it for a whole weekend? I'm not sure. But would i be proud to have that at home and sit and watch the trains go by, oh yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yes it's very much a 'watching trains go by' layout, but then that's what we mostly interact with the real thing as...horses for courses. Most action on ours is in the same 'trains go round' vein, but there's maybe a bit more capability to do different stuff if needed/wanted. Β A little off the topic of this thread, but a good edition of the mag I thought as well, lots of model railways/railroads to look at and no holiday snaps of obscure mediterranean tramways. I liked the Polish narrow gauge wierdly enough as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilM Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Looks very impressive, Martyn. And cool to see mid west based models. Shame it never vists the "right" side of the country! Is the Hardware Supply building based on a kit or entirely scratch built? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It's the Walthers 'Miranda's Banana's' built as a flat and given a different distressed whitewash type finish, it fits well there as we were trying not to go for the huge towering canyon of warehouses look. Β We're down for the Warners show in Peterborough next year, gets us a bit closer to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Must be honest, but though Santa Barbara may be very well modelled, with only a single turnout, and no switching, it may keep Mr Lampkin happy watching trains go past - but it would bore me to tears within 5 minutes - in fact it is one of those layouts that, seen at an exhibition, would earn a glance and a "walk on by" - it is one of those layouts that, to me, has no point (actually it has one in the visible section) - but maybe that is just my POV. Β I think it ultimately depends on the individual, Santa Barbara reminded me of a similarly sized N gauge layout I used to operate at shows....well, when I say operate, it was basically driving trains on a double track tailchaser that had a few loops out front where you could park trains and try to convince the public that you were presenting a reasonable representation of how the real railway worked, whilst trying to be a little inventive to alleviate the boredom. It'd be interesting to see if the builder does something different for their next project, as religiously following a chosen prototype isn't always the best option when you can't face operating it for more than ten minutes. I would still rather see a layout that is based on an actual location tho, as surely prototype fidelity and conformance is something that ought to be promoted within the hobby. Β RS2 looked fantastic, and deserved alot more room in the magazine. I'm looking forward to seeing it soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Interesting - one of the things I was alluding to in the article was that we got really bored with operating the original Rock Springs...basically a big single track oval with a passing loop! Β I still think Santa Barbara it's a great looking layout - but I guess as a visitor to a show you get the benefit of not having to work it all day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Hi, Β I agree with all the comments regarding Santa Barbara, for me, Ian Lampkin's HO 'Fort Myers' layout (CM Sept 2005) is the real deal! Β Β regards, Β Mal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 ... I still think Santa Barbara it's a great looking layout... Β I think that's it. Maybe Ian just enjoys "watching the trains go by" in such a realistic setting. I think he's exhibiting at Barrow next month with another layout, so maybe we can ask him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warbonnetuk Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Β I think that's it. Maybe Ian just enjoys "watching the trains go by" in such a realistic setting. I think he's exhibiting at Barrow next month with another layout, so maybe we can askI him! Β Ian will be debuting his new layout, a N scale representation of Banbury (UK) set in the present. The design is such that it uses the same fiddle yard and end curves as Santa Barbara. Β Dan Spalding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 That sounds well worth a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Must be honest, but though Santa Barbara may be very well modelled, with only a single turnout, and no switching, it may keep Mr Lampkin happy watching trains go past - but it would bore me to tears within 5 minutes - in fact it is one of those layouts that, seen at an exhibition, would earn a glance and a "walk on by" - it is one of those layouts that, to me, has no point (actually it has one in the visible section) - but maybe that is just my POV. This could open a whole can of contention around what makes a good layout. I've spend several weekends operating Santa Barbara with Ian and the crew. Its not just a watch trains go by operation. Yes, it is fairly simple to run but not boring in the least. There seems to be 2 extremes out there. A layout like SB that is a direct model of a prototype modelled and operated as such on one hand. Then we have the over complex shunting planks which bear only a passing resemblance to the real thing but have far more play value. My POV is about the opposite of Jack's. "Yawn, another urban shunting plank". To me they are becoming as clichΓ© as the 4mm scale TMD or an 80's GWR blt. I guess the ideal would be a compromise somewhere in the middle. Has that ever been done in the UK apart from RS Tower and the Thamessider's Essex Belt Lines? Both of which require a hell of a lot of space. Is there a layout out there that balances prototype with play value in a reasonable space? Answers on a postcard please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Which I think proves my earlier point - its horses for courses. World would be a boring place if we were all the same, in model trains as in life! Β On a purely selfish note, I'm slightly saddened that its Banbury that's coming to Barrow, rather than Santa B since the Cali setting appeals to me personally. On the other hand, if Banbury is half as good as Santa B it'll be a belter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Anyone have any links to Santa Barbara photos? I will not see the CM with this and Martyn's RS Tower for a couple of months.......... Β Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 There's some clips on Youtube - this one gives possibly the best overview Β The scenic side to my eye is very well observed, it's got the clean - even clinical - look of an architects model at first glance but the style of modelling does match the feel of the real place very well from what I can tell. Β Andrew, on the plan in CM there's a short spur off the single line end in the staging yard, what does that do out of interest? Β Is there a layout out there that balances prototype with play value in a reasonable space? Β Personally that's where the Mindheim-esque industrial branch wins, trying to get something that's believable from a prototypical point of view but acheivable - but that can also be limiting operationally as well so it's at best *an* answer not *the* answer to 'what's the best type of train set'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Thanks, Martyn. Yes Santa Barbara does have a reputation as a "clean" city. Β Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted September 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2011 With regard to the Santa Barbara article, I found it strange that the single track section was neither mentioned, nor pictured Β Β Tim Β Been busy working on the new layout so only just seen your post. Yes I must admit I forgot about the single track bit in the article. Santa Barbara has a passing siding which is a few miles long and goes back to single track a mile or so South of the station. I have moved this much closer on the model so that the layout is operated as a single track line and thus it is not operated as a double track tail chaser, but we do pass trains in the station area. Β Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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