warbonnetuk Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Hi All Β For those of us stuck here in rainy old Blighty instead of the current NMRA Convention in Sacramento, CA the below link will provide a link to what's going on and all the new goodies that the manufactuers will be annoucing this weekend. More pics are likely to be added over the course of the weekend once the NTS is fully opened today Β http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/nts2011pix&page=all Β This site also has a link the the x2011 Facebook site that was mentioned in a previous thread Β Cheers Β Dan Spalding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Preliminary report from "Model Railroader" here; http://mrr.trains.com/News%20and%20Reviews/New%20Products/2011/07/2011%20National%20Train%20Show%20preliminary%20report.aspx?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MR_SpecialEmail_sa_110708_final&utm_content= I like the look of the 'Schnabel' car from Bachmann and the B&O EM-1 too! In fact theres rather a lot of goodies coming! Cheers, John E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warbonnetuk Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 Preliminary report from "Model Railroader" here; http://mrr.trains.co...al&utm_content= I like the look of the 'Schnabel' car from Bachmann and the B&O EM-1 too! In fact theres rather a lot of goodies coming! Cheers, John E. Β Initial price for the Schnabel car from the Facebook site was $250 Β Dan Spalding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 C636 My wallet sez... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigZ Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Initial price for the Schnabel car from the Facebook site was $250 Β Dan Spalding Β Β Appears that most of Bachmann's "Americanizing" of that Schnabel consists of removing the Chinese lettering on it and replacing it with English...the Chinese versions are on Ebay for under $150... Β But this...THIS is a man after my own heart Β http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/image/136240748 Β Β Β Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 OMG - Jordan will be dribbling drool all over the computer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 According to more than a few comments there are no 32 axle Schnabel cars in North America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I'm trying to remember who makes the "Piggy Packer Intermodal Crane" in HO? Anyone remember? Β Sorry, it's the ol' incipient Alzheimers kicking in............. Β Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Pete, Lima do one in HO http://www.ontracks....ID=82512&catID= , and Kibri do a Kalmar stacker http://www.euromodel.../search_mult.pl , the big Mi-jacks are from Walthers http://www.discounttrainsonline.com/Walthers-Building-Accessories-MI-Jack-TL-1000-Crane/item933-3122.html . I think there is a new(ish) version of the Piggy, but not sure who it is by. Β N scale PC-90 Piggy-Packer. BNSF Ry., Burlington Northern (with or without herald), Canadian Pacific, Central of New Jersey, Chicago & North Western, CSX (with Seaboard System herald), Milwaukee Road, Missouri Pacific (buzzsaw herald), Norfolk & Western, Penn Central, Pennsylvania Truck Lines, Rock Island, Southern Pacific (sunset herald or Southern Pacific Transportation Co. lettering), St. Louis Southwestern, and Union Pacific (large or small heralds). Factory-assembled models with positionable boom and bottom pick and vinyl tires. Optional container-only spreader sold separately. Fall 2011. Price to be announced. Wheels of Time, 866-737-9654 (fax), www.wheelsotime.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Thanks, Jack. I think I saw a new(ish) Piggy in HO - but I can't remember where I saw it........... Β Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 There were some photos of it on a thread on RMweb - whose I know not - IIRC it was blue. I've added some links to my original reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Appears that most of Bachmann's "Americanizing" of that Schnabel consists of removing the Chinese lettering on it and replacing it with English...the Chinese versions are on Ebay for under $150... Β Seems a little harsh, the Chinese version has very un-American looking 4-axle trucks (they look rather Germanic to my eye) whilst the US version looks to have US 125t trucks with span bolsters - pic of the Chinese version here: http://www.chinesemodeltrains.com/encyclopedia_d38.html Β The thing that jumps out at me is how high the load is off the ground on the US version... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Thanks, Jack. I think I saw a new(ish) Piggy in HO - but I can't remember where I saw it........... Β Best, Pete. Β Pete - 180693992686 on Ebay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Ref piggypackers - the old (I mean *really* old, the tooling must date to the 70s!) Lima one that Hornby now sells isn't all that bad although it's basic as you'd expect from what is basically a toy product from the 1970s! - the model is set up as one to top-lift containers though rather than bottom-lifting trailers, so you need to scratchbuild all the lifting end of it to do a proper piggy-packer - see that N scale link for what they should look like! Β Kibri has done at least two modern Kalmar ones, one set up for containers, one for trailers. Β Walthers does the big Mi-Jack (can do both trailers and containers) and i'm sure they have done a side-loader also at some point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I'm looking for the Piggy Backers like wot they use at the main LA Dockyard - now. The huge cranes are use to offload the ships onto the Dockyard carriers who take them to the Piggy Backers who then load them up to two deep on the BNSF trains. That "system" looked more efficient than the system used by Freightliner today i.e. several Piggy Backers could be loading one train at the same time (the number could be adjusted according to urgency). Β Β I saw them on a TV Program called "Mega - Ships" but couldn't see the branding. Β Best, Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Harry Wong has all the "New Stuff" piccies here http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/nts2011pix&page=all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 If you're talking big terminals then i'd go for the Walthers Mi-Jack rubber tyred gantry (RTG) Β Looking at the google overheads for LA/Long Beach RTGs are in use at some terminals whilst others have side-loaders. Β This is the Kibri side loader - looks like this one will do containers or trailers... http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/405-11752 Β (PS - in the UK we use pretty much the same gear to that side loader at many terminals, and at larger terminals with the big 'permanent' travelling cranes they usually have more than one in use, so the UK system also allows you to have more than one loader in operation...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Thanks, Martyn, I think the Kalmar one will do it. Β What I liked about the LA/Long Beach yard was the flexibility afforded by not using rail-based hoists/cranes to load the trains. That's all really........ Β I'm mulling over a "coast to coast domestic/industrial removal service sited on a stub utilizing containers with a small footprint and large thru-put!" i.e. an excuse to have short container trains........... Β Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Thanks, Martyn, I think the Kalmar one will do it. Β What I liked about the LA/Long Beach yard was the flexibility afforded by not using rail-based hoists/cranes to load the trains. That's all really........ Β I'm mulling over a "coast to coast domestic/industrial removal service sited on a stub utilizing containers with a small footprint and large thru-put!" i.e. an excuse to have short container trains........... Β Best, Pete. Β Β There was a small diorama type layout in CM a while back, featuring a dockside at Port of Antwerp, built by a couple of teenaged lads which may be of interest - I'll have a hunt - you have two emails Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 What I liked about the LA/Long Beach yard was the flexibility afforded by not using rail-based hoists/cranes to load the trains. That's all really........ Β I think that gantry style (either rail mounted or RTGs) are probably capable of much faster work than side loaders as you can have a queue of road vehicles and it can just work it's way down the queue, a side loader has to lift, wait for the truck to move before it can move the box forward to the railcar, and the next truck then can't pull in until the loader has loaded the railcar and moved back clear again. More than one step of that can happen at the same time with a rail mounted or RTG crane. Β (assuming the same scenario - you might also be using a side loader to grab them off a low stack on the ground, in which case it would be doing lots of U-turns) Β Gantry style has the potential to load several tracks from a single roadway which side loaders can never do, and which is a big space saver in terminals - but yes flexibility is the key with the side loaders, I think the RTGs potentially give you the best of both worlds though! Β Interestingly i've only seen pics of one US terminal with a rail mounted crane, where across Europe they are quite common, my *suspicion* is that the reason is that (historically) there isn't that much call for continual terminal expansion over here with our fairly consistent and well defined train lengths - for example when Felixstowe needs more terminal space it will be adding a third rail terminal, not expanding the existing ones, so the flexibility of the equipment in the existing terminals isn't so much of an issue. Β Β Β Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Pete - you should see http://www.the-gauge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=3885 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Brilliant thread, Jack! Β So I did a search and found 124 machines of every conceivable "style" in the USA from one sitehttp://www.forklift....0&Fabrikat=alle - all for sale (incl. a CVS Ferrari or two)! Β I really don't want to fetish over these things - so my company with have the cheapest knocked about stacker that can handle two containers high............ Β Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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