RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2013 Another Tesco/Asda/insert supermarket of choice delivery? Mike. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Came across what appears to be another use for the horsebox,transporting elephants Hmm, not convinced the elephants came in those horseboxes. Especially as there seems to be a glimpse of a GWR high roofed vehicle (Giant/Monster?) in the foreground which were well known for transporting elephants. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) I'm not interested in this as a model (wrong scale wrong country) but seeing the model has intrigued me about the actual vehicle and its uses. I assume these were mainly used for racehorses rather than for more ordinary nags- return to Newmarket is a bit of a giveaway- but the accomodation seems to include the stalls for horse(s) a coupé passenger compartment with an adjoining toilet for the grooms and another compartment at the end for tack etc. They seem positively luxurious compared with earlier horseboxes. Does anyone know how many horses these vans usually did carry- I understand the capacity was one to three- and how many grooms accompanied them? I assume that, even hung on the ends of expresses, both horses and grooms were going to be in these vans for quite a long time if travelling to a distant course. I did just find this http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1941/dec/17/railway-horse-boxes-national-hunt-meeting It makes interesting reading. I'd quote it rather than linking but it's under parliamentary copyright and I don't know how much from Hansard it's legitimate to quote. Edited February 24, 2013 by Pacific231G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) The majority were based at Newmarket and Epsom so it is reasonable to assume that they were used for racing horses. Edited February 24, 2013 by PhilJ W 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) I'm not interested in this as a model (wrong scale wrong country) but seeing the model has intrigued me about the actual vehicle and its uses. http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1941/dec/17/railway-horse-boxes-national-hunt-meeting It makes interesting reading. I'd quote it rather than linking but it's under parliamentary copyright and I don't know how much from Hansard it's legitimate to quote. Some horses use fuel! http://psycheskinner.hubpages.com/hub/Mechanical-Horses Mike. Edited February 25, 2013 by Enterprisingwestern 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Does anyone know how many horses these vans usually did carry- I understand the capacity was one to three- and how many grooms accompanied them? I assume that, even hung on the ends of expresses, both horses and grooms were going to be in these vans for quite a long time if travelling to a distant course. If anyone has a copy they can give you sight of there was a fascinating article in the Great Western Journal by John Lewis about horse traffic. he followed a single horse box from (IIRC) Lambourn to somewhere in East Anglia, with all the STNs showing where ti was to attach and detach and be handed over to the LNER, etc. I don't recall how many horses or men were travelling, but it was a lot of paperwork and effort for a single vehicle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2013 An interesting photo by Gerald T Robinson of a horse box special taken near Reading: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64215236@N03/8428675530/ Are there two or three different types amongst the five horseboxes, including the Mk1 produced by Bachmann? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petee19 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Hmm, not convinced the elephants came in those horseboxes. Especially as there seems to be a glimpse of a GWR high roofed vehicle (Giant/Monster?) in the foreground which were well known for transporting elephants. Chris If you look at the box on the right it appears that there is an elephant in it,looks like its head and trunk are just visable........or is it my eye's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Thread necromancy! Just a couple of quick questions: How many of these horseboxes actually survive? I can find reference to only two in original condition, but wondered about any others of the departmental converts that might still lurk on preserved lines? How much did their external appearance change when converted to such things as generator vans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) From here you can search for all the BR built horseboxes (type HBY) still extant. You can pick out the Mk 1 ones easily enough from the list. Edited February 3, 2015 by jwealleans 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Five (two as original, three in varying degrees of conversion after departmental use) plus underframes of two more. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted February 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2015 Photo of E96347, one of the converted horse boxes: http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=2196 The stable doors have been replaced with standard Mk1 window panels and vent fitted at the end. Happy modelling. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Is this model still available? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Is this model still available? Regards TMC had lots of them in both liveries on their stand at Doncaster at the weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 TMC had lots of them in both liveries on their stand at Doncaster at the weekendThanks for that. I was about to amend my post to include an eBay link http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xbachmann+horse+box&_nkw=Bachmann+horse+box&_sacat=0 Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Has thee been discussion about when the door strengthening and end strengthening was done and to how many etc? Couldn't see it in this thread, but note that these are available as: "as built"; with door strengtheners only; end strengtheners only; and both end and door strengtheners! Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2017 One thing that has occurred to me is that, whilst TMC have several variations on this theme still in stock, Bachmann may take some years to repeat all of them. Anyone requiring a specific version might be well advised to get it from TMC while stocks last. Most prices seem to have been reduced since I bought my three. It seems likely the Bachmann releases will be rather more expensive too. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2017 As a slight aside, I got one of these at the NEC at a price not to be missed, It's role in life is to become a train heat boiler instruction van. Is anyone aware of any drawings of these?, although if the worst comes to the worst it can probably done by dead reckoning, although anything of the inside would be good. TIA. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted January 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2017 One thing that has occurred to me is that, whilst TMC have several variations on this theme still in stock, Bachmann may take some years to repeat all of them. Anyone requiring a specific version might be well advised to get it from TMC while stocks last. Most prices seem to have been reduced since I bought my three. It seems likely the Bachmann releases will be rather more expensive too. John Thanks, just ordered a maroon one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I suspect that even with discounting, these will still end up more expensive in Bachmann's main range than the TMC versions as prices have shot up since 2012. Something similar happened when Modelzone got exclusivity for the first release of the TPOs and by the time Bachmann released them in the main range, they were selling for more than the last of the limited editions through Modelzone. I got one of my Bachann Horseboxes out to do a video on it in light of the Bachmann announcements: It is a really nice model, and I'm actually fighting the temptation to buy a few more from TMC whilst they are on sale knowing that it is unlikely the prices of the new ones will be lower. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffed 1 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) On 20/01/2017 at 15:46, 26power said: Has thee been discussion about when the door strengthening and end strengthening was done and to how many etc? Couldn't see it in this thread, but note that these are available as: "as built"; with door strengtheners only; end strengtheners only; and both end and door strengtheners! Thanks, Nearly five years late, but from the Mk1 Supplement it would appear that from late summer 1961 ways of strengthening both ends and drop doors were being actively investigated with three of the ER allocated vehicles (33,46 and 54) being docked for repairs. This proved successful and from a year later any horseboxes requiring repairs had stiffening bars added. Edited December 27, 2021 by Chuffed 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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