RMweb Premium ullypug Posted November 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2016 Very impressive, especially as all the photos are enlargements of the model. I've not noted the 51L hopper before. I'll be interested to see how it develops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) Very impressive, especially as all the photos are enlargements of the model. I've not noted the 51L hopper before. I'll be interested to see how it develops. Not a lot of the detail you see comes with the kit in the form you see it and the brakeshoes (which I'm currently grappling with) are especially horrid; they're about 150% of the size they should be in every direction. The outers, at least, will be replaced, probably in plastic since they don't actually fit. Even so, it shan't be wanting for weight. See the Wizard Models pages for a picture of the out of the packet version: http://www.51l.co.uk/new/wagon_kits/ironstone/166_page.htm There's also a kit for an unfitted 1/163: http://www.51l.co.uk/new/wagon_kits/ironstone/163_page.htm which looks good (and at £21 is probably better value, though sharing the over-thick brass etches and odd material choices, it also has the nice cast resin hopper and fewer complicated bits reproduced much larger than scale). I'd happily pay extra for one designed by Justin Newitt (not that I have any idea whether this is something Justin might be planning). Adam Edited November 21, 2016 by Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Hi Adam, Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have thought about trying to do some iron ore hopper kits, indeed I measured up the last remaining 1/167 at the East Anglian Railway Museum a couple of years ago. I have visions of moving the iron ore terminal from Newport to Rumney and having an excuse for the trains to Ebbw Vale (top and tailed by 37s :-) ) and Llanwern. LMS ore hoopers would also be nice along with a decent length Chas Roberts model. None would be likely to appear in the near future as the next couple of years worth of releases are already mapped out. I have occasionally thought that it wouldn't be entirely suprising to see something like a 1/163 apear in RTR form at some point though I imagine the reluctance to do RTR wagons increasing with the current economic direction. Justin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 LMS iron ore hoppers would be very nice. Good progress with the hopper Adam, I've got one in the cupboard - but the fold-up sole bar has made other projects more appealing.. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Thanks Justin - hope you had a good time in greater Portsmouth? This model wouldn't have progressed to this extent had it not been for the spares in your kits. I wouldn't be amazed if one of the uniftted versions was forthcoming at some point but in the current economic environment, who knows when? My next challenge will have to be independent of the spares box, since I've decided the brakeshoes are beyond the pale and nothing in stock is really suitable. While I think about what I'll do about that, I've fished out one of your BR clasp-braked chassis. I've got quite some way already - this will be the third one I've done so I'm familiar with the way it goes together - and this one will go under a Palvan (Parkside). LMS iron ore hoppers would be very nice. Good progress with the hopper Adam, I've got one in the cupboard - but the fold-up sole bar has made other projects more appealing.. Paul A. Thanks Paul - believe me, the fold up solebar is the least of your worries... That said, it will go together, but all that whitemetal really makes resort to adhesive a case of when rather than if. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Thanks Justin - hope you had a good time in greater Portsmouth? This model wouldn't have progressed to this extent had it not been for the spares in your kits. I wouldn't be amazed if one of the uniftted versions was forthcoming at some point but in the current economic environment, who knows when? My next challenge will have to be independent of the spares box, since I've decided the brakeshoes are beyond the pale and nothing in stock is really suitable. While I think about what I'll do about that, I've fished out one of your BR clasp-braked chassis. I've got quite some way already - this will be the third one I've done so I'm familiar with the way it goes together - and this one will go under a Palvan (Parkside). The Portsmouth show was great. It's definately one of the better small shows around and seems to attract a really nice crowd. Infinately more preferable to the rugby scrum that will take place in a hanger near birmingham this coming weekend! They do a great job and it's actually nice that it's a one day show. The clasp brakes on the those 1/166 hoppers were curious with their upside down NER clasp brake arrangement. The only other wagon type I've seen the arrangement on are the Prestwins. I can see why you want to replace the ones in the kit, they look horrid! The shoes themselves look like the type used on the BR clasp brake. I may have enough spares around for a wagon's worth and I've definately got some spare push rods to give you the link part that goes in front of the wheels if you're interested? You'd have to dort out the hangers but it would give you a start. Justin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 I was sorry that I couldn't make it - other commitments unfortunately. I've sent you a PM... Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne 37901 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hi Adam, I've been reading back over the thread about modelling hoods. I've got a rake of Clayhoods in works at the moment and thinking about the hood, would you think the Milliput method would work on those? Having said that the hoods only cover the two top planks so I'm not sure there would be enough 'area' to do it. I know you haven't done any Clayhoods but have you any thoughts? Wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Hi Adam, I've been reading back over the thread about modelling hoods. I've got a rake of Clayhoods in works at the moment and thinking about the hood, would you think the Milliput method would work on those? Having said that the hoods only cover the two top planks so I'm not sure there would be enough 'area' to do it. I know you haven't done any Clayhoods but have you any thoughts? Wayne I don't see why not - but note that I've only used it on the ends, built up over a sub-frame of plastic sheet. Clayhoods are perhaps a bit different to the kind of wagons I've built because the hood is different - the sheet were designed to be fixed and to sit against the ends and allow the end door to open as a flap. There are no end fixtures (hinges for the folding sheet rails): http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brclayhood/h15ae1e81#h9303b36 In this case, what I'd try is doing this all from tissue paper (the sort used in wrapping rather than Kleenex or similar) soaked with diluted PVA. First, I'd cover the ends, and then the 'tent', sealing the whole with PVA to get the nylon texture. Milliput would work, but it is a faff... Adam Edited November 22, 2016 by Adam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 My friend Chris Lewis did a couple of Coil A hoods by making the initial shape out of heavy tissue (I think it may have been 'Baker's Tissue') over a former, then building up thick acrylic paint over it. The technique's called 'Impasto'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Taking a break from mineral wagons of various kinds and in the midst of a rather stressful couple of weeks at work, I've knocked up a Parkside Palvan on a Rumney Models chassis. There's nothing wrong with the chassis supplied, and the body is a superb set of mouldings, but I wanted an 8-shoe braked version. I rather like Palvans, for all that they were a failure in their intended use. They represent transition in the post-war world in a way that almost no other railway vehicle does. They are thoroughly traditional, based on RCH spec's and dimensions and entirely in keeping with pre-nationalisation design philosophy in their size and the small-load, common carrier, ethos. There are hints at modernity in their construction: plywood sheeting and AVB from new. And yet... the traffic they were built for was a new phenomenon, the early days of palletised, mechanically handled bulk goods. Going on the allocations, to places like Port Sunlight, this was in the form of washing powder and tinned products: it's notable that for similar traffics, such as motor car parts, were carried in hired in continental ferry vans (there are some nice pictures in Dave Larkin's latest - Italian vans with Austin labels). Like much of the Modernisation Plan rolling stock, they were built in substantial numbers, often alongside or very shortly before vehicles properly realising the transformation that these techniques would realise. The vanwide, a near contemporary in design terms, was a much more successful, if still reactive design. The visual contrast is not quite as stark as the fitted 21 tonners (a late 19th century design idea) alongside the first of the MGR hoppers, but it was the extent to which the railway was behind the curve is every bit as striking. Finally, their failure - witness this pair condemned at Feltham in '68 - owing to the technological problems of getting short wheelbase running gear to cope with the uneven loading caused by the large hinged doors on opposing corners - ironically has led to the type being massively over-represented in preservation; their afterlife in stores and army service saw to that. Adam Edited November 25, 2016 by Adam 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) And here it is, ready for paint. Wagons that have been painted - ok, repainted (and it looks a bit of a mess, to tell you the truth) - include the Charringtons 21 tonner now with the orrect, if scruffy grey band. I have a plan for the required red letters... Rather tidier is the 1/107, dressed in the original livery with limited black boxes. This, like quite a few other vehicles right now, wants weathering. Adam Edited November 26, 2016 by Adam 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) I alluded above to the weathering backlog and have now done something about it. This prbably isn't enough, but it's a start. First, the BR hybar which is, finally, complete: Points to note are that I've used just the four colours for weathering: matt leather, metalcote gunmetal, matt rust brown (no. 100) and a spot of white, mainly employed on the bare timbers inside. Other things to notice is that the bottom plank (the one that protects the ends of the floor boards) is stained with goodness knows what that have leach out for the foor and the similar much showing around the bolt heads on the corner plates. The other wagon to be complete is a Dogfish, the third featured in this thread. This one is in its original black livery - http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brdogfish/h2e31cc05#h2e31cc05 - with black handwheels. Perhaps surprisingly, these survived in traffic for quite a while. The weatehring is based on this picture, taken at Penderyn quarry (which is the 'return to' branding on the two wagons furthest from the photgrapher): https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/14124929045/in/photolist-bDSf6E-ec5GaZ-nwaXip-ecbuJA-bSC9hP-ec5waM-bSC9gB-bSC9gv-bSC9iR-bSC9iM And here with its pair: Transfers in each case are from Cambridge Custom Transfers. Adam EDITED to remove the worst of the many typos Edited December 4, 2016 by Adam 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ullypug Posted December 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2016 Verrryy nice as always! I'm still convinced these need to be re-gauged to P4 at some point... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 Verrryy nice as always! I'm still convinced these need to be re-gauged to P4 at some point... Nope. Not happening. I'm happy with my EM lot. Adam 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 This wagon is by way of an experiment in producing an ICI hydroflouric acid tank used for liquid chlorine traffic. For some reason, Hornby Dublo chose to model this years ago and John Isherwood of CCT does transfers for it (as well as the more common purpose-built chlorine tanks which were shorter, with a 10' 6" wheelbase). I happened across a deformed and beaten up tank, sans chassis, at the bottom of a box. John used an Airfix RTR hopper chassis under his (a good option - if I wanted a 10' 6" one, I'd use Parkside components) but I've chosen to use a Rumney Models production intended to go under a 21 ton coal hopper since it provides for the visible framing. This isn't 100 per cent correct, but gives the right impression. The tank is in a reasonable state, following lots of filler and some internal bracing: Adam 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'm just hoping that nice Mr Newitt might consider doing a 12ft RCH underframe at some point in the future. Oooh I've started wish listing! http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/iciunfittank/h1c67aa07#h1c67aa07 P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Hornby-Dublo did produce some off-beat wagons, didn't they? At least these tanks turned up in quite a few odd corners, quite often on their own. I'll be interested to see what you make of this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 Yes, it's a shame that he doesn't do one with the visible framing: I have uses for one or two of these. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'm just hoping that nice Mr Newitt might consider doing a 12ft RCH underframe at some point in the future. Oooh I've started wish listing! http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/iciunfittank/h1c67aa07#h1c67aa07 P Getcher 'and in yer pocket then Paul, mek us all 'appy!! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Getcher 'and in yer pocket then Paul, mek us all 'appy!! Mike. I have neither your pull nor poke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'm just hoping that nice Mr Newitt might consider doing a 12ft RCH underframe at some point in the future. Oooh I've started wish listing! Yes, it's a shame that he doesn't do one with the visible framing: I have uses for one or two of these. Hi both, I'm getting there with some proper open underframes for tank wagons! Currently on my workbench is the prototype for what should end up be being several different types of tank wagon underframe. It's going together better than I had anticipated and is robust enough to assemble (which was my main reservation about doing an open underframe). I'll looking at doing a 12' one with a view to using it under the Airfix/Hornby 20T body though of course you could use under other things. Justin 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) Hi both, I'm getting there with some proper open underframes for tank wagons! I've just wet my pants! I've got the Durbar walkways sorted. Decent ladder frames included on the etch? Such a pity that the tank is underscale for the majority of the Shell & Esso 20 tonners. Edited December 10, 2016 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Dribbling furiously! Oh and those bloody Heljans are due.... Savage beating of bank account beckons. Wibble! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 Now that is good news. Thank you Justin, I can see that I might have a few more things like this on the cards, given time: there's all sorts of interesting things in the diagram books that might be opened up this way, and not only tank wagons. Bring on the Plastruct tube! Adam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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