Colin parks Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Hi Adam, Well, a humble mineral wagon elevated to a work of art! It looks as though every part that should be there is there. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) That's not strictly true Colin! The vac' pipe should go the length of the vehicle, for example, and there a few other bits that are a bit representative but there's precious little missing otherwise and the crowd of detail suggests that what is missing is actually present and I am quite pleased with it. Justin's etches make this very much easier. Adam Edited January 1, 2014 by Adam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I have a drawing for the penthouse van and intend to build 1 or 2 in 7mm. Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Is that the one from SR Wagons vol. 4 Ian? I suppose that Mike King must have made one as well. To be honest, one of these vans is an extravagance (there were three, and one of those had a 9' wheelbase and was withdrawn before 1961), two might be too many, interesting though they are. I know I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to building rarities and one offs - see the Coil H earlier in the thread, even the Minfit is a bit of a luxury - but it is something to be careful about unless a layout is to be a wagon zoo. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 That's not strictly true Colin! The vac' pipe should go the length of the vehicle, for example, and there a few other bits that are a bit representative but there's precious little missing otherwise and the crowd of detail suggests that what is missing is actually present and I am quite pleased with it. Justin's etches make this very much easier. Adam Oh Dear Adam! So it hasn't got working vacuum brakes? Only joking ! I really meant that the wagon seemed to have all the parts fitted that would be seen in normal running rather than what might seen in the event of a catastrophic derailment. All the best, Colin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Adam I have a long list of southern railway wagons to build mainly for departmental stock 1948 till the 70's so the few odd normal wagons will be fun. Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 A couple of pictures of my models posed on Ullypug's P4 layout Wheal Elizabeth (thank you Andrew) at last weekend's Southampton show. The AEC is not quite appropriate to Cornwall; it's a Somerset owned and registered lorry! The clayliner tank is, however, albeit unfinished. Still, I have now made the catwalk for the barrel top and have devised a way of fixing it on more permanently than the blu-tak doing the job currently. The brief exibition appearance also spurred me into finishing the AEC. The small matters of licence discs, wipers and cab back quarterlights have been tackled and it has even been very gently weathered (Bird brothers seem to have kept their vehicles clean). Yes, the lettering was done by hand and one bonus of this is that the red lettering above the screens has worn away slightly in what I think is quite a realistic fashion; I would never have dared doing this deliberately! Even on my laptop, this picture is about 1.5 times actual size so I don't think that the camera is too unkind. Still lots to do to the clayliner tank but the scale of the jobs are minor compared to the work that has already been completed. I've just spotted that I've missed the solebar label clip for example. Hmm. Adam 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ullypug Posted January 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2014 And very nice it looked too. PIty you had to take them away really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Hi Adam, Super shots of your models. That wagon is looking good and the lorry has an air of Geoff Kent about it. It is difficult to tell from that particular photo what scale the models actually are. I would have said 7mm at first glance! All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2014 Love the clay liner tank How did you do the walkway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks both (and all those clicking the buttons on the bottom right). Here are a couple of pictures of the catwalks: These are quite simple and copy the real thing to some extent. They consist of etched mesh (Scalelink SLF108) and some bits of 0.8mm milled angle. Rather than attempting to make up the framework separately, I drew up a simple template on some scrap A4, tinned a bit of the mesh and gently scribed the lines from the template onto the mesh before sweating the angle into place. A few strategic solder fillets here and there and job done. The complete assembly was trimmed out of the sheet with an ageing scalpel blade and filed up. This was easier than I thought and definitely easier than the other way about. The legs you can see will be anchored in holes in the tank while the remainder (not yet added) will be cosmetic. Hope that helps. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2014 Looks very convincing, might even tempt me to have a home at finishing my 4.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Lovely work as usual Adam. What are the origins of the AEC, model not prototype? That really does look good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Thank you Arthur. The AEC Mercury is based on Road Transport Images cab, wheels and chassis with my own scratchbuilt bodywork. I know that Base Toys do a Mercury, but like most of their lorry cabs (and all of their lorry wheels), it is not all that convincing. Adam PS, thanks again to Andrew (Ullypug) and, should you fancy repainting your own lorry to something appropriate for ECC, transfers for their haulage subsidiaries, Heavy Transport Ltd and Western Express can also be had from RTI: http://www.roadtransportimages.com/transfers/heavy-transport/western-express-haulage-st.-austell-cornwall/flypage-ask.tpl.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks Adam, I thought that it might be RTI, those glazed cab ones are very effective. I've made up a couple of their Fordson 7v's, it's a useful and interesting range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted January 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2014 Is that the one from SR Wagons vol. 4 Ian? I suppose that Mike King must have made one as well. To be honest, one of these vans is an extravagance (there were three, and one of those had a 9' wheelbase and was withdrawn before 1961), two might be too many, interesting though they are. I know I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to building rarities and one offs - see the Coil H earlier in the thread, even the Minfit is a bit of a luxury - but it is something to be careful about unless a layout is to be a wagon zoo They might have been rare but them seem to get around a bit in pics. I was browsing a book I borrowed off my dad (he still lives in Hythe) caled Southampton's Railways. I was studying a pic of the Town Quay taken in the late 30's primarily to spot the makeup of wagons from the various companies. There amongst all the 'normal' vans and opens was lurking one of your pent roof diagram. If it wasn't for your model I would probably have completely overlooked it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) They might have been rare but them seem to get around a bit in pics. I was browsing a book I borrowed off my dad (he still lives in Hythe) caled Southampton's Railways. I was studying a pic of the Town Quay taken in the late 30's primarily to spot the makeup of wagons from the various companies. There amongst all the 'normal' vans and opens was lurking one of your pent roof diagram. If it wasn't for your model I would probably have completely overlooked it. In the '30s? I'm afraid that either the photo has been mis-dated or that it's something else. I might have access to that book, do you have the page number and full title? These vans weren't converted until 1943 and only built in their original form in 1939 (SR Wagons vol. 4, p. 65). There were a few vans - several types of ferry van, for example and, famously, privately owned salt wagons and some grain vans with broadly similar roofs. In any event, with the wagon and carriage works at Eastleigh being so close seeing pictures of SR oddities in the Southampton area shouldn't be too surprising. After nationalisation, these things were just another 10' wb fitted van and would have been common user; they could have appeared absolutely anywhere. Adam Edited January 29, 2014 by Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 There were also lime wagons/vans with pent roofs; Buxton Lime were one operator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) I knew there was something I'd missed Brian, thanks. For those interested in the lorry, here are a couple of pictures of the completed, weathered, vehicle. While I was at it, I completed the other lorry I had on the go (which I think was pictured back up the thread), a Bedford S type tipper. A strange omission from the die-cast ranges this; for a time the 'Big Bedford' was as ubiquitous as the TK which replaced it. Another RTI cab with a host of home brewed bits and a fictional but hopefully plausible livery. Given that this model is envisaged as part of a fleet working in the coal industry I feel that it is a bit clean at present, not least because this would be a vehicle towards the end of its working life by the mid-60s. I've done an Albion Reiver 6 wheeler in the same livery. There's the basis of a diorama here... Adam Edited January 29, 2014 by Adam 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 That AEC's lovely. There used to be a hauliers at the end of our street in Llanelli (John Evans of Pontyberem) who operated 8-wheel tippers with that cab, along with Ergomatic-cabbed tractor units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Yes, the Big Bedford is a significant gap in the die cast ranges, not glamorous enough perhaps. You've captured the every day scene with those models. I have to admire your hand lettering Adam, it really does add a lot to the overall impression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Zero Gravitas Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2014 Adam, on 29 Jan 2014 - 09:25, said: In the '30s? I'm afraid that either the photo has been mis-dated or that it's something else. I might have access to that book, do you have the page number and full title? These vans weren't converted until 1943 and only built in their original form in 1939 (SR Wagons vol. 4, p. 65). There were a few vans - several types of ferry van, for example and, famously, privately owned salt wagons and some grain vans with broadly similar roofs. In any event, with the wagon and carriage works at Eastleigh being so close seeing pictures of SR oddities in the Southampton area shouldn't be too surprising. After nationalisation, these things were just another 10' wb fitted van and would have been common user; they could have appeared absolutely anywhere. Adam Apologies if I'm butting in, but after 57xx's post I went straight to my copy of "Southampton's Railways" by Bert Moody (ISBN 0-906899-78-8) and on page 112 in the lower photograph, there is indeed a pent-roofed wagon towards the LH side of the picture... It's not a great photo and from a distance, but I have to say that I think the Fat Controller's suggestion is correct - it looks to me more like a lime or salt wagon - the roof seems to start too low down to be a van (although it is higher than the van to its immediate right). Best Regards, ZG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted January 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2014 Apologies if I'm butting in, but after 57xx's post I went straight to my copy of "Southampton's Railways" by Bert Moody (ISBN 0-906899-78- 8) and on page 112 in the lower photograph, there is indeed a pent-roofed wagon towards the LH side of the picture... It's not a great photo and from a distance, but I have to say that I think the Fat Controller's suggestion is correct - it looks to me more like a lime or salt wagon - the roof seems to start too low down to be a van (although it is higher than the van to its immediate right). That's that one ZG. On closer examination I would agree, comparing it with the height of the opens in the line-up. It was the van to it's right that misled me, as the apex roof is sitting higher than the normal curved roof of the other van. What I didn't take into account is how squat that other van is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWales Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Adam A big thank you for your help at Southampton show -absolutely invaluable! Also thanks for letting us have a look at some of your projects 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Adam A big thank you for your help at Southampton show -absolutely invaluable! Also thanks for letting us have a look at some of your projects Martin No problem; thank you for the opportunity and well done on the pot! Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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