Adam Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I cannot understand how I missed the photo, as being "Cardiff-centric" I have studied this Flickr site many times. . Brian R You and me both, Brian - and like you, I'd scanned the collection looking for precisely this sort of thing! Now we know, however, there is the question of building a model or two, sometime. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 You and me both, Brian - and like you, I'd scanned the collection looking for precisely this sort of thing! Now we know, however, there is the question of building a model or two, sometime. Adam Slightly outside my time span (1970-1972) as I believe they'd surrendered their baulks/bolsters then to the coil conversions, albeit I can justify the RTB coil wagons. . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Slightly outside my time span (1970-1972) as I believe they'd surrendered their baulks/bolsters then to the coil conversions, albeit I can justify the RTB coil wagons. . Brian R Ah, but they do fit into mine! That's interesting - and of course the wagons were of a similar size and the bolsters of a similar pattern - but how do we know that this is what happened? All the more reason to model one, well, once I've cleared my project backlog a little. Thanks, Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I've seen pictures of what I presume to be pit props loaded end downwards in 16 tonners. Is there a standard size for pit props? I have boxes of such timber for modelling traffic in the SE United States and tried loading a Bachmann wagon: How common a load, and was timber for other purposes loaded in such a fashion? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 If there is a prototype shot then do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 ...do a Google search for "Hartlepool Pit props"...which should bring up some idea of how they were loaded...I suspect they weren't quite as long as the ones you've loaded. ...also there is a down side to having so much timber on your door step...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20K90qd4Dms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 ...do a Google search for "Hartlepool Pit props"...which should bring up some idea of how they were loaded...I suspect they weren't quite as long as the ones you've loaded. ...also there is a down side to having so much timber on your door step...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20K90qd4Dms They'd be about 6'6"- 7' 0" tops, and many would be shorter. There were different ways of loading them. One was to rest the tops of the first layer on the top of the fixed end to the wagon, then build from that until the bottom ends butted against the other end of the wagon. Another was to build a sort of 'stockade' around the sides using vertical pieces, like Ernie's photos, then infill with pieces laid horizontally, either lengthways or crossways. I remember there being a big stockpile next to the main line, about where Wentloog container terminal now is; this was there into the late 1960s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The picture I saw was on the Southern Region, maybe heading for the Kent pits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 http://www.hhtandn.org/relatedimages/8818/cutting-up-pit-props 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 http://www.hhtandn.org/relatedimages/6278/pit-props-being-unloaded http://www.hhtandn.org/relatedimages/6337/discharging-pit-props From Axlebox's suggested search 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) I've seen pictures of what I presume to be pit props loaded end downwards in 16 tonners. Is there a standard size for pit props? I have boxes of such timber for modelling traffic in the SE United States and tried loading a Bachmann wagon: 006.JPG How common a load, and was timber for other purposes loaded in such a fashion? If you struggle - I have a copy of the GWR guidance on loading "pitwood". . Generally loaded crosswise amidships (i.e. between the drop doors) and then stacked on end at each end of the wagon (as in your image) and leaning against the top edge of the wagon end. . There were different rules for different lengths of 'pitwood' - generally it was, as Brian W mentions, about 6'6" to 7'0" in length. . In addition, some photos you see published are of wagons conveying piwood unloaded from ships to a stacking ground within the same dock area. The manner in which some of these wagons are 'loaded' would not be permitted outside the dock and on the national network. Finally, I suspect your timber may be slightly to large in diameter for pitwood / pit props. Brian R Edited August 28, 2016 by br2975 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 If you struggle - I have a copy of the GWR guidance on loading "pitwood". . Generally loaded crosswise amidships (i.e. between the drop doors) and then stacked on end at each end of the wagon (as in your image) and leaning against the top edge of the wagon end. . There were different rules for different lengths of 'pitwood' - generally it was, as Brian W mentions, about 6'6" to 7'0" in length. . In addition, some photos you see published are of wagons conveying piwood unloaded from ships to a stacking ground within the same dock area. The manner in which some of these wagons are 'loaded' would not be permitted outside the dock and on the national network. Finally, I suspect your timber may be slightly to large in diameter for pitwood / pit props. Brian R Seen on a Torrington to Hawill Freight, would this fit the GWR guide? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Elvanfoot, 9-8-64. https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/23917069706/in/dateposted/ Stourbridge 12/63. https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/23943895822/in/dateposted/ Apparently yout tare weight black panel doesnt need to be rectangular! Banff, 1950s? https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/24464046344/in/dateposted/ Elevated viewpoint, showing one loaded/one empty. Between Saxondale Junction and Radcliffe-on-Trent, 9-62. https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/26119710411/in/dateposted/ Primarily included for the weathering/rusting on the second right one, but also a cupboard door one. Near Motherwell, 21/6/66. https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/21385906680/in/dateposted/ Hope none posted previously! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted August 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2016 The Elvanfoot and Motherwell photos both seem to show a 'tide mark' on the wagons. New panels, or covered regularly by tarpaulin? Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 The Elvanfoot and Motherwell photos both seem to show a 'tide mark' on the wagons. New panels, or covered regularly by tarpaulin? Regards Ian I think the Elvanfoot one was a tarpaulin mark; the Motherwell one looks more like new panels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted August 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2016 How about this for really ex-works. Even the coal looks polished https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/Scottish-and-BRSc/Scotland-Caledonian/i-9MV9ZwJ/A Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Hall Class, SouthcoteJuncJune1963 by nashphoto, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(W) Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Hall Class, SouthcoteJuncJune1963 by nashphoto, on Flickr Hello, all. For the benefit of those who think that all G.W. 4-6-0s look the same (yawn, yawn), the loco. is actually a "Grange", not a "Hall". Great image, though; thanks, Porcy. Cheers, BR(W). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Great image I was more taken with the number of pots on the right hand telegraph pole. Quite amazing how many signals are today sent down a 0.75mm dia. optic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2016 An A3 with a rake of iron ore 16T's https://flic.kr/p/JDGnYN 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted September 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2016 A nice variety of colours and conditions on the coaling stage at Balornock. https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/29605890631/in/pool-1261311@N24/ Regards Ian 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2016 40 124, Northwich, Cheshire. by Adrian Nicholls, on Flickr Washwood Heath winter by Auchlander, on Flickr 1978 08002 Swindon by The Gang of 3, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2016 Things they are a changing (1). by John Whiteley, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Another John Whiteley one - insides of empties in colour: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126693116@N06/17201170298/in/album-72157651168524976/ Shipley March 1967. Plenty of cracking steam shots in black and white as well! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 16-tonners at Royal Oak sidings. Three unfitted and one vac-braked example. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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