RMweb Premium Bob Reid Posted March 21, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2012 Not wanting to be a pedant (okay I am - M&EE / engineering drawing office training does that) but what was the source of the comparison drawing. Yes I know it may be only a few thou of a difference it would generate, but what comparison drawing was used? one from a BR / English Electric General or Body Frame arrangement drawing - or a weight diagram? - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I feel like a bit of timewaster. But I've had a change of heart and decided to cancel my order I can see what everyone else is seeing now and they are right For something that was going to be a impulse purchase of a celebrity cabinet model for me I think ill spend the cash on somethting else that I really want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendboy Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Perhaps we should have a separate thread for 'due dates and early pictures only' so that forum users who just pop along to check the production progress of a loco that they have been looking forward to receiving can be kept up to date. Then a separate thread for 'errors and cancellations' so that those of us 'who accept mediocrity' (forums passim) don't have their anticipation of receiving it repeatedly kicked in the cobblers till it lies twitching in the four foot? I absolutely and totally respect the views of the very knowledgeable posters on this forum, almost all of whom know more about these things than I, but I do find it slightly odd that people are cancelling their orders based on other posters opinions gleaned from photographs taken through a glass case? It's like cancelling your holiday because somebody has seen a picture of the hotel in the brochure and thinks you won't like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Perhaps we should have a separate thread for 'due dates and early pictures only' so that forum users who just pop along to check the production progress of a loco that they have been looking forward to receiving can be kept up to date. Then a separate thread for 'errors and cancellations' so that those of us 'who accept mediocrity' (forums passim) don't have their anticipation of receiving it repeatedly kicked in the cobblers till it lies twitching in the four foot? Maybe we could have a "hard core" box to tick with our post! You could turn hard core posts off in your profile, then you'd only see the poster's name listed. You'd know something was there, but you'd actually have to to further action by clicking to actually see the hard core post. Life could be blissful then... I absolutely and totally respect the views of the very knowledgeable posters on this forum, almost all of whom know more about these things than I, but I do find it slightly odd that people are cancelling their orders based on other posters opinions gleaned from photographs taken through a glass case? It's like cancelling your holiday because somebody has seen a picture of the hotel in the brochure and thinks you won't like it. There are lots of new models coming out. We live in good times, but the down side is that you can't have everything. Some individuals are just being selective. Based on all the other recent models that are still available in one form or another there is no reason to expect that the DP2s won't be still be for sale in six months if you change your mind. Those photos in the glass case were very revealing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bob Reid Posted March 21, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2012 Don't worry Northendboy (could we not just call you Preston for short I'm looking forward, along with you and Max Stafford to picking up a fine example of DP2 which in it's mediocrity will still look the dogs and be better finished than most of us on here (and I include myself in that) can create. This threads brought to you by courtesy of Silver Fox / Dapol / Shwaplan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluex5 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Perhaps we should have a separate thread for 'due dates and early pictures only' so that forum users who just pop along to check the production progress of a loco that they have been looking forward to receiving can be kept up to date. Then a separate thread for 'errors and cancellations' so that those of us 'who accept mediocrity' (forums passim) don't have their anticipation of receiving it repeatedly kicked in the cobblers till it lies twitching in the four foot? I absolutely and totally respect the views of the very knowledgeable posters on this forum, almost all of whom know more about these things than I, but I do find it slightly odd that people are cancelling their orders based on other posters opinions gleaned from photographs taken through a glass case? It's like cancelling your holiday because somebody has seen a picture of the hotel in the brochure and thinks you won't like it. I'll hang my house on the fact that the model will be wrong for the reasons stated. Photos don't lie and the errors have been explained several times via prototype pics and the excellent drawings above. Sticking your head in the sand won't suddenly make it accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bob Reid Posted March 21, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2012 Photos don't lie and the errors have been explained several times You were doing okay up to that point. Still, if you're not buying it why are you concerned that other folk have a different viewpoint? I'm sure others may disagree however sadly (because the production models still a bit off) the threads reached the end of it's time. Clearly there are a number of opposing camps - for, against and unsure to name but three. Each with as far as they're concerned valid reason to buy / not buy one. Is there any more to be said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Aye I suspect this thread is adopting a decreasing orbital pattern. Have a look folks, judge on your own observations; buy if you like, leave it if you don't. Substantial, if not conclusive evidence of weaknesses has been offered and the choice is yours to take or decline. It's that simple in the final analysis. :-) Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 OK, this really is my last word on this. I absolutely and totally respect the views of the very knowledgeable posters on this forum, almost all of whom know more about these things than I, but I do find it slightly odd that people are cancelling their orders based on other posters opinions gleaned from photographs taken through a glass case? It's like cancelling your holiday because somebody has seen a picture of the hotel in the brochure and thinks you won't like it. I do think that's totally missing the point of discussions like this. I'm sure Mike (Delamar) wont mind me using him as an example again, this is what he actually said: I can see what everyone else is seeing now and they are right His decision is not 'based on the opinions' of others, it is guided by their assessments. It's not the same. The evidence now includes an excellent drawing, not just photos through glass. These others have pointed out what to look for, and now he sees it for himself. It's informed free choice, nothing more complicated than that. At one extreme, nobody should tell anyone not to buy something just because they think it isnt good enough. At the other, nobody should be told that they should buy it regardless, and be satisfied. What there should be is a healthy environment where anyone can listen to informed comment and then make their own decision (which, shock horror, can even include looking at putting matters right themselves). Sadly, there is a small but persistent body of opinion on this forum that seems to want to stop that happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm sure others may disagree however sadly (because the production models still a bit off) the threads reached the end of it's time. Aye I suspect this thread is adopting a decreasing orbital pattern. I agree it's a sensible point at which to lock the topic; it can be re-opened when the production models are available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 E-mail from a certain Yorkshire retailer states that deliveries are expected this forthcoming week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Ditto from Kernow. It means that DP2 is not far away! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Ditto from Kernow. It means that DP2 is not far away! Images frpm the Cornishmens' newsletter :- http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/images/prod_33607.jpg http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/images/prod_33608.jpg Question - Has Heljan fixed the cab / nose taper issue ?, or is there lens distortion present ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97403_Ixion Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Hi all, Ladies and Gentlemen, <clears throat...>... They're under (manufacturer's) starter's orders... http://www.Heljan.dk/faste_filer/modul.asp?vis=nyhedmod&fModul=web661.asp&mode=laesnyhed&artikelid=315 Ixion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10000 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Just got home from Arcadia with a plain green one. I don't care what other people say or think about it I'm more than happy with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Um. Photos? Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 No mine on its way via RM at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Um. Photos? Anyone? They may have been posted in the past... http://www.howesmodels.co.uk/admin/products/3W7KsiU1/IMGP5046.JPG http://www.howesmodels.co.uk/admin/products/HuFjCA95/IMGP5047.JPG Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Cheers Porcy, I don't recall if I have seen those or not. I just wondered if anyone had one at home and was thinking of doing a little photo review... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 .... watching this thread with great interest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10000 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Not had much time for photos but here's a couple On the track and one from above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 While not an expert on the shape of machines like this, that nose looks surprisingly good to me. All in all what a nice model indeed! I think I'm going to have to re-order one of each! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluex5 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Well as predicted they've still not made the cab Deltic shaped...... I'm quite glad I passed on this one TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2012 On the basis of photographic evidence of the actual newly released models at this moment in time ( Hattons snaps? ) on what criteria do you base your rush to judgement.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2012 Well as predicted they've still not made the cab Deltic shaped...... I'm quite glad I passed on this one TBH. Same thread. I think you'll now find a series of more detailed images on Hattons website.(10:45) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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