cary hill Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 At least we're spared another outing for "Sweet Caroline"...... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted July 15 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, adb968008 said: Err.. well the Copa America final had something new tonight. It turns out the halftime is not 15 minutes but 25 minutes and featured a set by Shakira performing on stage on the pitch. my worry is the next World Cup is in the USA if tonight is a precedent it could end up being a game of 4 quarters extended over three hours with a concert in the middle and lots of advertising slots. How about they have a defensive and offensive side, so they can keep swapping over? Make a day of it for the fans. I'm sure FIFA won't mind some changes in the rules! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 hours ago, adb968008 said: The game itself was a bit of a mess. It started an hour and 20 minutes late and seems loads of people being stuck outside and unable to get into the stadium, whilst others were climbing fences, even the air ducts to try and get inside. The start of the match postponed at least three times and eventually started at about 9:20 local instead of 8 o’clock. looks like theres a few lessons to be learned, especially in this hear, 32 degrees outside waiting 3 hours to get in… But they don't learn, do they, same issues at Paris a couple of years ago and Istanbul last year. Yet the organisers of these games still give them to places where they haven't the infrastructure (Istanbul, not Paris) or the ability to organise properly... Just lucky they aren't breweries... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishcolumbian Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 29 minutes ago, Hobby said: But they don't learn, do they Who cares as long as the £$€ flows in? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 This is how you do it against Spain in the Euro’s. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, turbos said: This is how you do it against Spain in the Euro’s. Spains record in the Euros Qualifying and Finals P17, W16, D0, L1, and that there is the only loss. IIRC the Spanish Manager complained about the rough tackling, old fashioned British tactics do work. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 15 hours ago, adb968008 said: Err.. well the Copa America final had something new tonight. It turns out the halftime is not 15 minutes but 25 minutes and featured a set by Shakira performing on stage on the pitch. One of Switzerland's all-time greats? 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bourneagain Posted July 16 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16 With Gareth gone, who will be next? Let the speculation begin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishcolumbian Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 7 minutes ago, bourneagain said: With Gareth gone, who will be next? Let the speculation begin. I'd say Sarina Wiegmann and I'm not even joking... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 16 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16 3 minutes ago, britishcolumbian said: I'd say Sarina Wiegmann and I'm not even joking... Her or Emma Hayes would be extremely radical appointments. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishcolumbian Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 5 minutes ago, gwrrob said: Her or Emma Hayes would be extremely radical appointments. And that might be exactly what's needed to shake everyone out of their complacency. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 I see that the suggestion is gaining strength - why not Lee Carsley? He's coming from the same management development pedigree as Sir Gareth, has had success with the U-21s and has worked with many of the upcoming stars of the senior side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 16/07/2024 at 20:45, britishcolumbian said: I'd say Sarina Wiegmann and I'm not even joking... Would she accept a demotion, though? 🤔😁 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 19 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19 A question for you all. Who is the better manager? Ramsey, who won a world cup via a disputed goal on home soil which saved him having to qualify and then went on to do b*gger all else despite having some of the greatest players of the era at his disposal. Or. Southgate. Answers on a postcard. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishcolumbian Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 49 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: A question for you all. Who is the better manager? Ramsey, who won a world cup via a disputed goal on home soil which saved him having to qualify and then went on to do b*gger all else despite having some of the greatest players of the era at his disposal. Or. Southgate. Answers on a postcard. Mike. IMO Southgate and it's not even a debate... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 19 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19 10 minutes ago, britishcolumbian said: IMO Southgate and it's not even a debate... Me too! I only posed the question as there seem to be a number of people who only judge the success of a manager by the number of trophies he wins. Mike. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted July 19 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19 Didn't the late great Bob Paisley once say that first is first and second is nowhere. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) I'd agree Southgate purely on his record in major tournaments, but having said that a managers or teams record is only judged historically on it's success in winning trophies. Southgate's problem isn't that he's done well, that's not in dispute compared with previous managers, it's that he will always be judged as a "nearly man". The fans want success and finishing second twice won't be judged as good enough when the players he had at his disposal should have given him the ability to win them. Ramsey won, it doesn't matter how, that's irrelevant, and that's what every subsequent manager is judged on. Edited July 19 by Hobby 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 37 minutes ago, gwrrob said: Didn't the late great Bob Paisley once say that first is first and second is nowhere. That is one view, which my dad subscribed to. Another example from a different sport, Tim Henman was rated as the No.1 England player for several years. On the other hand his best Wimbledon performance was to be a beaten semi-finalist (4 times). Was he a success or failure? cheers Edited July 19 by Rivercider Tidying up. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 24 minutes ago, Rivercider said: Tim Henman was rated as the No.1 England player for several years. On the other hand his best Wimbledon performance was to be a beaten semi-finalist (4 times). Was he a success or failure? If that's the best he could expect to do then, for him, it's a success, but if he wanted to win Wimbledon then it's a failure. It's the old myth of "it's not the winning but the taking part that counts", yes it's great that someone has tried, but "success" is based on whether you won the trophy or not. A friend of mine, who won the Brisca F2 world championship sums it up by saying "It's better to have been a has been than a never has been", harsh but true. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Rivercider said: That is one view, which my dad subscribed to. Another example from a different sport, Tim Henman was rated as the No.1 England player for several years. On the other hand his best Wimbledon performance was to be a beaten semi-finalist (4 times). Was he a success or failure? cheers Tim Henman's reputation rests largely on the fact that no other English player won anything either... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hobby said: If that's the best he could expect to do then, for him, it's a success, but if he wanted to win Wimbledon then it's a failure. It's the old myth of "it's not the winning but the taking part that counts", yes it's great that someone has tried, but "success" is based on whether you won the trophy or not. A friend of mine, who won the Brisca F2 world championship sums it up by saying "It's better to have been a has been than a never has been", harsh but true. Returning to football and Euro 2024, about half a dozen teams were given some chance of winning it, while quite a few more had very little chance. In that sense out of the 24 teams at the final some will have deemed it a success and some a failure. Spain obviously were successful, Turkey and Georgia presumably also happy with their performance? Regarding England, we each will have our own view of where England stand in the world rankings. Some of us feel that we should be winning it, so beaten finalists is failure. I never thought we were the best team out there, but felt failure would have been not to get to the semi-finals. cheers Edited July 19 by Rivercider best team - not beat team (Freudian slip?) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Sir Alf Ramsey will be remembered for winning the 1966 World Cup long after Gareth Southgate is a question no-one gets right on TV quizzes. Context is everything. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I think it is good that we are all different. Some folk seem to get quite upset if their premiership team fail to land a £100m plus player, or finish outside the Champions League places. My team have had six promotions in 123 years, the only top spot being Division 4 champions in 1989/90, and they have never won a significant cup either. I can take a lot of pleasure from the minor victories that come our way, like beating the table toppers, or pinching a last minute equaliser. cheers 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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