andyram Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 RIP Cyrillie Regis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Still not convinced by VAR. Last night's penalty appeal had to wait nearly 40 seconds to be reviewed as the ball was still in play. What would have happened if another goal or serious foul etc had happened? Would it have been ignored or chalked off it the review had said penalty? How long can play continue before a decision is reviewed? I've become a convert to VAR tonight, although I didn't realise it could be used to overrule flag happy linesmen (assistant referees) waving for incorrect offsides*. It does take a bit of time to get the right decision (68 seconds). Kelechi Iheanacho of Leicester City scores the first VAR awarded goal in English football. * (although be to fair the linesman (assistant referee) in this case was only wrong by a heel ) Edited January 16, 2018 by cary hill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBrit Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It’s bad watching ninety plus minutes of so called football without adding an extra ten minutes. LoL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Now you can see why Chelsea wanted to cheat and dive to get a penalty. Cheats sometimes prosper. Unlucky Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2018 Unlucky Norwich is true - solid defending and Morata had two chances & missed. But Willian should have had a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 can someone explain how 33yo robert huth played for liecester under23s in the checkatrade trophy last night at oldham ? nice 4-2 win for the tics just a tie at shrewsbury between us and a trip to wembley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Aren't they allowed a couple of "seniors" in those teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 But Willian should have had a penalty. But surely VAR clears up these controversial incidents? If only it was available................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mezzoman253 Posted January 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2018 Unlucky Norwich is true - solid defending and Morata had two chances & missed. But Willian should have had a penalty. Not a penalty, but not a dive either. Neutral viewer. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2018 The defender misses the ball, but clips and trips Willian. Why is that not a penalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Aren't they allowed a couple of "seniors" in those teams?considering tbst the whole reason for allowing the prem u23 sides into the competition was to facilitate development of english youth players does seem rather odd for a "senior "of forign extaction to participate in the fixture ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I saw about ten seconds of the Chelsea Norwich match while changing channels incorrectly and see that the offside rule is still ruining the game. If an attacker starts onside when the ball is struck and out runs the defender, that should never be called offside. That's excitement, is what that is, and why football is a game ruined by rules... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 considering tbst the whole reason for allowing the prem u23 sides into the competition was to facilitate development of english youth players does seem rather odd for a "senior "of forign extaction to participate in the fixture ? https://www.premierleague.com/premier-league-2-explained Other rules include: Each team can field a goalkeeper over the age limit and up to three ‘over-age’ outfield players in every match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2018 I saw about ten seconds of the Chelsea Norwich match while changing channels incorrectly and see that the offside rule is still ruining the game. If an attacker starts onside when the ball is struck and out runs the defender, that should never be called offside. That's excitement, is what that is, and why football is a game ruined by rules... What you have stated IS the rule. So it's not the rules that are ruining the game but the inability of referees and their assistants to apply them. The assistant referee's role is a simple one so long as they place themselves properly. But more and more mistakes being made each season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) But more and more mistakes being made each season. Or is it our ability, with so many extra cameras, to be able to analyse the incidents more accurately? I'm not convinced that the current crop of Refs are any better or worse than in the past... I am convinced, however, that our ability to over analyse any "errors" have increased out of all proportion to the past... Video technology is now inevitable, if just to shut up the Ref-haters, though unlike Rugby there are nowhere near the number of "natural breaks" so it's likely to make matches a lot more disjointed... Good or Bad? Only time will tell... Wonder what the Ref-haters will moan about them.... Edited January 18, 2018 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 What you have stated IS the rule. So it's not the rules that are ruining the game but the inability of referees and their assistants to apply them... Let's take this in three bites. If a rule is manifestly one that the match officials have proven unable to apply as you state, then where does the problem lie? Hint: rules are easy to change, human beings are what they are. ...The assistant referee's role is a simple one so long as they place themselves properly... And where would that be? Wherever they may be, no-one can consistently correctly evaluate a three bodies in motion problem. A fundamental difficulty with the offside rule is that it conflicts with the tactical essence of football, that the ball can always outrun the man. From the sideline you cannot reliably assess the relative position of two players tens of yards off the ball at the moment the ball was struck. ...more and more mistakes being made each season. Solution: produce a rule that is less prone to operational error. What if passes were limited to five yards or thereabouts (grid the pitch) for the forward component?That would give the match officials a decent chance of making reliable assessments if keeping up with the ball. No need for any offside rule at all. Of course the international side with precognition, one touch pinpoint passing and on target finishing would have run in twenty goals by half time against the England team, but there it is. At least the goalie would have had plenty to do and could be congratulated for the similar number of masterful saves he made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2018 Why not restrict passes to backward only, no offside rule needed. Oh, and let the players pick the ball up as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) R.I.P. Rodney Fern passed away with dementia having played in the same era as Jeff Astle. He will be remembered in Leicester, Rotherham and Chesterfield as a very good honest journeyman professional. I remember him scoring for Leicester in an epic F.A.Cup replay against Manchester City in 1968 when we came back from 2-0 down to lead 4-2 before Colin Bell scored a third for Man.City and also for a spectacular overhead kick goal against Birmingham City a couple of years later. Edited January 18, 2018 by cary hill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Why not restrict passes to backward only, no offside rule needed. Oh, and let the players pick the ball up as well... Please don't try and tell me that the RU version of offside is any more understandable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2018 Wonder what the Ref-haters will moan about them.... And that's just the team managers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2018 Why not restrict passes to backward only, no offside rule needed. Oh, and let the players pick the ball up as well... Then it isn't FOOTball! Yeah have the same problem with Aussie Rules, who spend more time handling the ball than using their feet. Its like a whole team of goalkeepers, with no restrictions of a penalty area! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Why not restrict passes to backward only, no offside rule needed. Oh, and let the players pick the ball up as well... I believe rugby has on offside rule as well, does it not? And that it is, essentially, the same as the football rule i.e. "A player is offside if he is between the ball and the opponents' goal line". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 One reason that technology is being brought in is because assistant referees are still mere linesmen when it comes to seeing incidents. They can spot a ball going out of play, or an offside, but curiously seldom see infringements - hand-balls, fouls, incidents off the ball. Compare with rugby, where the touch judges frequently confer before a decision is made - sometimes overturning what has been awarded - and usually before any decision is referred "upstairs". I think technology can be a good things, in many (not all) cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just get rid of the offside rule... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Let's take this in three bites. If a rule is manifestly one that the match officials have proven unable to apply as you state, then where does the problem lie? Hint: rules are easy to change, human beings are what they are. And where would that be? Wherever they may be, no-one can consistently correctly evaluate a three bodies in motion problem. A fundamental difficulty with the offside rule is that it conflicts with the tactical essence of football, that the ball can always outrun the man. From the sideline you cannot reliably assess the relative position of two players tens of yards off the ball at the moment the ball was struck. Solution: produce a rule that is less prone to operational error. What if passes were limited to five yards or thereabouts (grid the pitch) for the forward component?That would give the match officials a decent chance of making reliable assessments if keeping up with the ball. No need for any offside rule at all. Of course the international side with precognition, one touch pinpoint passing and on target finishing would have run in twenty goals by half time against the England team, but there it is. At least the goalie would have had plenty to do and could be congratulated for the similar number of masterful saves he made. Actually, having been in that position, albeit at a far lower level than Chelsea, it's not as difficult as it looks. If the assistant stays level with the last defender, most of his (or her, of course) problems are soved The whole idea of the offside law is to introduce the idea of tactics into the game. can you imagine what would happen if there was no offside law? Sides would station a player in their opponent's penalty area and just lump the ball up to him. Remember, legend has it that most players are somewhat lacking in the brains department. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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