Michael Delamar Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 oh well it was good while it lasted, he'll always be a winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 In response to the sacking of Moyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted April 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2014 Be careful what you wish for. Big Sam is an old mate of Sir Alex . . . David ..... and with a £100 million transfer budget 'Arry must be chomping at the bit too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 ..... and with a £100 million transfer budget 'Arry must be chomping at the bit too. Just think of how much of that 'arry and his dog could spend. No doubt many of the signings would be through his son the agent, who gets a cut. Let the frothing and speculation begin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted April 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2014 Allegedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I am not a Manchester United fan, but I do feel a little bit of sympathy for Moyes. He did not do a particularly good job, but realistically had been left with a team of turkeys by Sir Alex, who probably knew that the team was not good enough to challenge for the title this season. Moyes was linked with a number of big name signings in the summer and got none. Was that down to him? Or was it down to the board? Who knows! But the fact is Ferdinand and Vidic are at a point where they can't play every week, Giggs has hit 40 and Scholes has retired again, leaving a huge gap. Remember Fergie convinced Scholes to come out of retirement when things were not going well! The squad seems to need a rather large overhaul and, for whatever reason, Moyes has not been able to do that. But surely the decision smacks of pressing the panic button a little. After all Sir Alex was apparantly one lost F.A cup tie away from the sack all those years ago! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 After all Sir Alex was apparantly one lost F.A cup tie away from the sack all those years ago! He made mistakes in signing Mata and Marouane - he should have signed Mark (Robins) to save his season. He's still only 44 years old and so would have fitted in well with Utd's ageing squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just think of how much of that 'arry and his dog could spend. No doubt many of the signings would be through his son the agent, who gets a cut. Let the frothing and speculation begin. Even now the dog is drafting next year's tax return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Trouble with Man U is a canny Scot flogged a clapped out motor to a less canny Scot after running it into the ground. A rebuild should have started in July. What he was stuck with just failed its MoT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Trouble with Man U is a canny Scot flogged a clapped out motor to a less canny Scot after running it into the ground. A rebuild should have started in July. What he was stuck with just failed its MoT One of the newspaper columns speculates that Nigel Farage should get Moyes to stand for UKIP on the basis that, "unlike any politician, Moyes seems to have a talent for getting out of Europe." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well after his similarly short spell following the signing of a long contract perhaps there is another Scotsman who would be perfect for the Manchester United job. Step forward Billy Davies PMSL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 IMHO Moyes didn't get long enough in the job - as some bloke in the street said on BBC this morning "it's not his team". It would REALLY make my day if Man U made Sam Allardyce an offer he couldn't refuse......... Be careful what you wish for. Big Sam is an old mate of Sir Alex . . . David Anyone betting on Man U. ending up with Paolo di Canio....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just think of how much of that 'arry and his dog could spend. No doubt many of the signings would be through his son the agent, who gets a cut. Let the frothing and speculation begin. Observing activitites in the car parks of M25 Service Stations may become more interesting Leicester City are Champions of the SkyBet Championship equalling Manchester City's record total of 7 Second Tier Championships. We must both be "yo-yo" teams to have won that many Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 ...but realistically had been left with a team of turkeys by Sir Alex.... Trouble with Man U is a canny Scot flogged a clapped out motor to a less canny Scot after running it into the ground..... Definitely a team that was overdue a overhaul in certain departments and showing obvious weaknesses in central midfield and defence. However if that was a team of "clapped out" "Turkeys", you'd do well to remember that they easily romped away with the Premiership title last season, winning by 11 points, which should easily have been 16 points if they hadn't completely taken their foot of the gas in the last 3 games, once the title was already won and the Fergie retirement celebration stuff seemed to take on greater significance than the football being played on the pitch. The signs had been growing for 3 seasons, being particularly obvious in the season before last when Utd carelessly and lazily squandered a comfortable 8 point lead with only 6 games to go, gifting Man City a chance to scrape the title on goal difference on the final day. The complacency that took over inn the last few games was best demonstrated in the home game against Everton, where they were 4-2 up with 8 minutes to go and in control, only to sit back and let Everton bombard them for 8 minutes resulting in a 4-4 and 2 more vital points pi**ed away. The chickens have, as they say, come home to roost. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 It was a team of "clapped out turkeys", personally speaking - but Sir Alex Ferguson is very good with his racehorses and effectively bought the horse to win that particular race. Buying Robin Van Persie from Arsenal assured him of a title winning season because RVP was still in good form from several years mostly on the sidelines at Arsenal. Now this season has proven two things to me: Rooney is by far and away the most overpaid player on the player against raw talent and fitness (the latter he has little of, and the former in spades but finding difficult for form), and the second thing is that Manchester United as a club really do lack a hell of a lot of class. Whether it was a minority of fans with the banner over Old Trafford by plane, the constant undermining of their own manager on twitter, Facebook and in the press by players with egos and axes to grind, or the simply outrageous manner Moyes has been dispensed with - initially by telling the media first and then announcing it by twitter. I've always said that Ferguson was a great manager. That does not preclude him from being a mostly unpleasant human being and to be frank, he has left a legacy at Manchester United which is more than just trophies. A severe lack of class and humility, and patience. I know this is just one football fan's opinion, but I can't be the only person in the country who genuinely feels sorry for David Moyes and thinks there was little he or anyone else was going to do to keep Manchester United at the fore of the game. It ties in with a lot of the myths in Manchester, such as that one people kept trotting out that Phil Jones or Smalling are somehow premier league footballers... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 .....The chickens have, as they say, come home to roost Meanwhile, at Blackburn Rovers.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AndrewC Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Definitely a team that was overdue a overhaul in certain departments and showing obvious weaknesses in central midfield and defence. However if that was a team of "clapped out" "Turkeys", you'd do well to remember that they easily romped away with the Premiership title last season, winning by 11 points, which should easily have been 16 points if they hadn't completely taken their foot of the gas in the last 3 games, <snip>. . Actually my point exactly. Fergie managed to squeeze the last out of the team he had. The fact they coasted to the finish line, then failed to get out of the pits this season supports that. Last season was last season. Other teams improve, players age and slow down. Nagging injuries catch up to players. Etc. This year's Manu squad may have been mostly the same names as last year but they sure weren't the same players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Actually my point exactly. Fergie managed to squeeze the last out of the team he had. The fact they coasted to the finish line, then failed to get out of the pits this season supports that. Last season was last season. Other teams improve, players age and slow down. Nagging injuries catch up to players. Etc. This year's Manu squad may have been mostly the same names as last year but they sure weren't the same players. Which was my point too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 ....I've always said that Ferguson was a great manager. That does not preclude him from being a mostly unpleasant human being and to be frank, he has left a legacy at Manchester United which is more than just trophies. A severe lack of class and humility, and patience.... Second time lucky, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 YAY finnaly we win something well done Oldham Athletics youth team for winning the Lancashire cup final at Bloomfield road tonight after coming from behind with ten men the future bodes well at Boundary park 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 YAY finnaly we win something well done Oldham Athletics youth team for winning the Lancashire cup final at Bloomfield road tonight after coming from behind with ten men the future bodes well at Boundary park But to quote a famous football pundit - "you'll win nothing with kids!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 ..... Giggs has hit 40 ... I was reminded of an old joke when it was confirmed that Giggs would be taking charge for now: Q: What's the difference between Ryan Giggs and Ed Miliband? A: One's a cheating left-winger who did the dirty on his brother. The other one's a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted April 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) Mostly driven by the "celebrity" media culture. Far too easy now to concentrate on one man and blame him for all a club's problems. This is just the latest example of such a witch-hunt. And, with so much important stuff going on in the world, should David Moyes really be the lead item on BBC and Sky News? Football seems, as ever, to exist in a parallel universe. In any other work environment, if you let it be known to all and sundry that you were giving someone the sack before you had informed them, there would be a big claim at industrial tribunal for wrongful dismissal. Edited April 24, 2014 by Joseph_Pestell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) ......if you let it be known to all and sundry that you were giving someone the sack before you had informed them, there would be a big claim at industrial tribunal for wrongful dismissal. The club are adamant that they didn't let anyone know, or leak the information and that in fact the decision was still being discussed and hadn't been concluded, when "someone" leaked the story to certain members of the football press. It wouldn't be in the interest of the club to have deliberately tipped off the press in that way. No doubt there is an internal investigation into, or knowledge about the person who leaked this story. Whether that will lead to repercussions or not, depends on who was responsible and as such we may not be told. Treat all press and TV/radio stories as Fairy Tales until proven otherwise. Edited April 24, 2014 by Ron Ron Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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