Early Risers.

[PhilJ W]

Morning all from Estuary-Land. Still a bit grey this morning but the forecast is for sunshine later. The more reliable Norwegian weather forecast is saying dry for today and Friday-Saturday but then more rain.

[monkeysarefun]

2 hours ago, iL Dottore said:

I get a call saying that my GP

Learned a new term for Doctor today, courtesy of Mad Max 5:

 

"Organic Mechanic"

[iL Dottore]

7 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

On the subject of the catapult aircraft. The majority were Hurricanes many of which would otherwise be scrapped as obsolete. Most had fought in the Battle of Britain where they were the most successful fighter, shooting down 65% of the German aircraft shot down. 

Having recently read a few books on the Hurricane and the Battle of Britain, I noted that the Spitfire and Hurricane were like the clichéd movie stereotype of the gorgeous blonde cheerleader and a her frumpy does-everything best friend. Everyone’s attention is on the blonde cheerleader (or in this case the Spitfire) and not the frumpy friend (the Hurricane).

 

Needless to say both were superb aircraft that did everything expected of them (and then some).  
 

To continue the analogy further: towards the end in many such films, the frumpy friend looses her glasses, gets her hair styled , gets some makeup and a new wardrobe and voilà she’s a desirable, sultry brunette. 
 

Time for the Hurricane to “loose the specs’ (so to speak)?

[southern42]

' morning all from red dragon land.

A bit on the wet side. 7.7C

 

2 hours ago, grandadbob said:

The last film I saw at the cinema was Apollo 13 in, I believe, 1995.

 

The only cinema based film I have seen in the last xxxxno. of years, was made of up minions of little yellow pill-shaped bodies.

 

A couple of jobbies to do, then I shall be sitting down to a TOTF 🎶 and trying out another "method" of being at one with the beat. Inspiration this time, is Handel's Largo (Xerxes) which was my no.1 piece in my piano playing days (a long time ago!). Slow but it does have some fast twiddly bits. So, I need to find a way of making the flute song FEEL slow even though most of it contains fast twiddly bits! 

 

Pitter patter on the window...raindrops falling...(but not on my head ;)

I will leave you with that.

Take care. Be good. Find an answer when you need one.

Polly

 

 

[iL Dottore]

16 minutes ago, monkeysarefun said:

Learned a new term for Doctor today, courtesy of Mad Max 5:

 

"Organic Mechanic"

I like it!

But what happens if they don’t use original parts or - worse - just use duct tape/gaffer tape and body filler?

 

And what about the perennial problem of “the big end”?

[PhilJ W]

8 minutes ago, iL Dottore said:

Having recently read a few books on the Hurricane and the Battle of Britain, I noted that the Spitfire and Hurricane were like the clichéd movie stereotype of the gorgeous blonde cheerleader and a her frumpy does-everything best friend. Everyone’s attention is on the blonde cheerleader (or in this case the Spitfire) and not the frumpy friend (the Hurricane).

 

Needless to say both were superb aircraft that did everything expected of them (and then some).  
 

To continue the analogy further: towards the end in many such films, the frumpy friend looses her glasses, gets her hair styled , gets some makeup and a new wardrobe and voilà she’s a desirable, sultry brunette. 
 

Time for the Hurricane to “loose the specs’ (so to speak)?

In fact the majority of British fighters in the B-o-B were Hurricanes which was an older design than the Spitfire and they were usually used against the bombers whereas the Spitfires took on the fighter cover.

Edited May 23 by PhilJ W

[Hroth]

Hmmmmm...

Looks like the rain has stopped!

 

 

[monkeysarefun]

23 minutes ago, iL Dottore said:

Having recently read a few books on the Hurricane and the Battle of Britain, I noted that the Spitfire and Hurricane were like the clichéd movie stereotype of the gorgeous blonde cheerleader and a her frumpy does-everything best friend. Everyone’s attention is on the blonde cheerleader (or in this case the Spitfire) and not the frumpy friend (the Hurricane).

 

Needless to say both were superb aircraft that did everything expected of them (and then some).  
 

To continue the analogy further: towards the end in many such films, the frumpy friend looses her glasses, gets her hair styled , gets some makeup and a new wardrobe and voilà she’s a desirable, sultry brunette. 
 

Time for the Hurricane to “loose the specs’ (so to speak)?

 

 

 

Here fighting the Japanese Zeroes  it was the Kittyhawk that played that part  - we only ever got one Hurricane!

 

 

Spitfires were supplied by Britain but rough landing grounds and the Spitfire's relatively narrow track undercarriage meant many were lost in taxiing accidents.  Their limited endurance was also a handicap and the need to fit the ungainly Volkes 'chin' air filters detracted from their performance.

 

  The  Kittyhawk, with lesser peak performance, was more suited to the conditions and were the undisputed mainstay of the single-engined fighter wings. It was rare that a full squadron of Spitfires was available, on the other hand the Kittyhawks had better build quality and were generally  more dependable. 

Edited May 23 by monkeysarefun

[jjb1970]

The MAC ships were a much better solution than catapult ships. In the Atlantic the Hurricane and Fulmar were perfectly adequate against long range German bombers and reconnaissance aircraft which were far beyond the range of fighter escorts. 

[jjb1970]

The other thing oft forgot about air cover and indeed surface escort ships was that they didn't have to sink U boats to be effective. Just keeping them below the surface where their slow speed and limited endurance was hugely limiting and keeping them away from convoys was hugely important.  For the RN the primary objective wasn't to sink U Boats, it was to keep the trade lanes open and keep Britain supplied.

[Compound2632]

39 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

In fact the majority of British fighters in the B-o-B were Hurricanes which was an older design than the Spitfire and they were usually used against the bombers whereas the Spitfires took on the fighter cover.

 

Hence, I suppose, the apportionment of glamour.

[Tony_S]

1 hour ago, PhilJ W said:

In @Tony_S's council the biggest party is the CIIP, the Canvey Island Independence Party.

With all the mainland council seats now held by the Peoples Independent Party. 

[PhilJ W]

27 minutes ago, monkeysarefun said:

Here fighting the Japanese Zeroes  it was the Kittyhawk that played that part  - we only ever got one Hurricane!

Spitfires were supplied by Britain but rough landing grounds and the Spitfire's relatively narrow track undercarriage meant many were lost in taxiing accidents.  Their limited endurance was also a handicap and the need to fit the ungainly Volkes 'chin' air filters detracted from their performance.

  The  Kittyhawk, with lesser peak performance, was more suited to the conditions and were the undisputed mainstay of the single-engined fighter wings. It was rare that a full squadron of Spitfires was available, on the other hand the Kittyhawks had better build quality and were generally  more dependable. 

The allied aircraft feared the most by the Japanese was the Beaufighter Their name for it, The Whispering Death, explains why. The Zero's success was due to its speed and maneuverability but that was due to its lightweight construction which proved its downfall once the allies had discovered that fact.

[jjb1970]

It's a bit odd the A6M Zero remains the only Japanese aircraft many have heard of when the Ki84 and Ki100 (both army) were probably Japan's best fights of the war and extremely accomplished. In their naval air arm the N1K was a better fighter. I guess Pearl Harbour and the first year of the Asia-Pacific war created a halo for the Zero which remains.

[jjb1970]

They have a ki100 and Ki46 twin engine reconnaissance aircraft at the RAF museum in Hendon, two of my favourite exhibits. The Ki46 was a beautiful aircraft. 

[jjb1970]

The ultimate 'it shouldn't have but it did' aircraft of WW2 was probably the Swordfish. It was pretty much obsolete when new and certainly so in WW2. While it's use in it's intended roles was limited it gave outstanding service as an ASW aircraft where it was ideal for small and basic escort carriers. Despite being woefully obsolete by most measures it was the right aircraft for convoy defence where it made a critical contribution to victory. 

[New Haven Neil]

It appears the good Doctor has forgotten that I am one of those much feared leather clad folk!  Well, not leather nowadays, and certainly not feared, but he does show signs of having being dressed like one of those hairdryer-riding Mods.....😜

 

 

Despite having 40K visitors for TT, there is no trouble - the rally visitors are far more bother, and the hockey championship the worst.  The worst for petty thefts are the oldies that come for the bowls week - really - they rob each others possessions from hotel rooms.

 

ION about four inches of rain in the gauge, fastcraft ferry is off due to high winds/sea state - first load of bikers stuck in Scouserpool.

[jamie92208]

25 minutes ago, jjb1970 said:

The ultimate 'it shouldn't have but it did' aircraft of WW2 was probably the Swordfish. It was pretty much obsolete when new and certainly so in WW2. While it's use in it's intended roles was limited it gave outstanding service as an ASW aircraft where it was ideal for small and basic escort carriers. Despite being woefully obsolete by most measures it was the right aircraft for convoy defence where it made a critical contribution to victory. 

And believe successful against Bismark because it was so slow the Bismark gunners sights couldn't be set to match their speed. 

 

 

18 minutes ago, New Haven Neil said:

It appears the good Doctor has forgotten that I am one of those much feared leather clad folk!  Well, not leather nowadays, and certainly not feared, but he does show signs of having being dressed like one of those hairdryer-riding Mods.....😜

 

 

Despite having 40K visitors for TT, there is no trouble - the rally visitors are far more bother, and the hockey championship the worst.  The worst for petty thefts are the oldies that come for the bowls week - really - they rob each others possessions from hotel rooms.

 

ION about four inches of rain in the gauge, fastcraft ferry is off due to high winds/sea state - first load of bikers stuck in Scouserpool.

And one of this 40K will be my no 1 son, to whom NHN has provided I telligence about good locations. 

 

Jamie

[Hroth]

26 minutes ago, New Haven Neil said:

ION about four inches of rain in the gauge, fastcraft ferry is off due to high winds/sea state - first load of bikers stuck in Scouserpool.

 

They should never have got rid of the big slow ships that could cope with Irish Sea weather!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSS_Manx_Maid_(1962)

 

Built just across the Mersey at Cammel Lairds too!

 

[iL Dottore]

17 minutes ago, New Haven Neil said:

It appears the good Doctor has forgotten that I am one of those much feared leather clad folk! 

Not at all. I haven't forgotten your penchant for two wheeled motoring, but there are

and there are

 

I have never once imagined you may be one of these

[monkeysarefun]

51 minutes ago, jjb1970 said:

It's a bit odd the A6M Zero remains the only Japanese aircraft many have heard of when the Ki84 and Ki100 (both army) were probably Japan's best fights of the war and extremely accomplished. In their naval air arm the N1K was a better fighter. I guess Pearl Harbour and the first year of the Asia-Pacific war created a halo for the Zero which remains.

 

Its not the case  down here. We never saw a single Messerschmidt or a Heinkel but many old news reel films of the day when Japan bombed Northern Australia feature Betty bombers, Kate torpedo planes, Val dive bombers (the allies here  gave all Japanese planes female names!)  among the usual Zeroes.

 

All up there were 111 Japanese raids on the Northern Australian mainland, coastal shipping or offshore islands.  

[New Haven Neil]

17 minutes ago, Hroth said:

 

They should never have got rid of the big slow ships that could cope with Irish Sea weather!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSS_Manx_Maid_(1962)

 

Built just across the Mersey at Cammel Lairds too!

 

 

We have two of those too - they're OK today!

[monkeysarefun]

15 minutes ago, iL Dottore said:

Not at all. I haven't forgotten your penchant for two wheeled motoring, but there are

and there are

 

I have never once imagined you may be one of these

 

 

 

One bike in Mad Max 5 has  a  7 cylinder radial   engine from the Australian company Rotec, the R2800. It’s a 2,800cc engine that puts out 110 horsepower and 160 pound-feet of torque, originally designed for airplanes. The bike itself is one of 7 made by company JRL

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 23 by monkeysarefun

[Sidecar Racer]

29 minutes ago, iL Dottore said:

Not at all. I haven't forgotten your penchant for two wheeled motoring, but there are

and there are

 

I have never once imagined you may be one of these

 

 There seem to be a number of shortages and excesses in the build of those bikes .    😆

[Tony_S]

MiL had a nasty accident once when her sari caught in the rear wheel of the Royal Enfield 350 she was riding side saddle pillion on.