Early Risers.

[DaveF]

I had a drive to Seaton Sluice this morning and parked in my usual spot overlooking the harbour.  I was wearing my warm coat, I also needed a hat and gloves.  I had a very quick walk across Rocky Island to see if there were any birds on the rocks, the only one was a jackdaw.  I then quickly returned to the car to get warm again.  On the drive home I saw the new 30 sign and the 40 sign still painted on the road.  I wrote to my lcal councillor yesterday evening about the implementation of the new speed limit, he was not impressed with the lack of information given to local people and the shambles with the signs.  Sadly it seems that councillors cannot do much when the paid employees get it wrong.

 

I did a bit of work on a model of Wassen church, anyone who has been to Switzerland and travelled on the Gotthard route (pre new base tunnel) will have seen it.  It's a kit which has been in the "to do" box for some years.

 

I also had a good look at the garden to see which plants are still alive, so far nothing seems to have gone missing this winter.  Next to a new raspberry cane a clematis is growing well, last year there was no sign of the clematis!

 

David

[Winslow Boy]

1 hour ago, TheQ said:

Afternoon Awl,

Minister here, for eyelid inspection, boat repairs and sailing. Also Minister for escorting a Collie on long walks.

 

New mast step fitted,

Centre console fitted,

Those bits of hull needing 2 coats of Antifouling painted.

Cockpit rail remnants of glue chiselled off,

Old cockpit rail holes filled,

Cockpit rail now needs sanding,

 

Ben taken for long walk, he chose the full long route. The two diggers mentioned yesterday, one hasn't moved the other is making its way down the edge of the field making a long hole. Followed by a tractor with strange thing on the back, and a medium sized lorry which appears to have reels of large hose on it. The really odd thing is they are making their way down the ridge which has the boundary of two fields alongside so they're on comparatively high ground not where you'd expect a drain.

 

A small amount of muddling took place and after that a full hours eyelid inspection on top of the bed wes definitely required.

That sounds to me like a new gas main. What colour is the pipe?

[iL Dottore]

4 hours ago, Grizz said:

Oooooo just had a thought….if the ERers were to be elected as a government, what roles would be suited to certain individuals? 
 

Poly Bear..Minister for Food? (Notice I didn’t use the ‘C’ word or the ‘C.F’ words or the ‘P’ word) 

 

Chimpy …Aussie Cultural Attaché to UK. Expert on Utes, Deadly Creatures and ARF…

 

any thoughts…….

 

CC…Head of Corrective Enforcement Agencies ….

Are you having a larf? I wouldn’t let him near any ministry that has anything to do with food. Pizza, curly fries and baked beans are definitely not the things to advocate for when trying to improve the nutritional wellbeing of a nation and make inroads into reducing the country’s appalling levels of obesity and Type II diabetes. PB’s talents are best directed elsewhere.

 

I’d gladly take on the ministry of food and of health. One of the first things I’d do is promote the mantra:

 

There’s no such thing as “posh” food. Food is either good or bad.

 

I’d also revisit labelling laws, so that if the label says it’s “Kangeroo Salami” there’s at least 50% of real kangeroo in it - not reconstituted or “recovered” roo “meat” but bonafide chucks of meat cut off the carcasse with a knife

 

And so on….

 

[Grizz]

30 minutes ago, iL Dottore said:

Are you having a larf? I wouldn’t let him near any ministry that has anything to do with food. Pizza, curly fries and baked beans are definitely not the things to advocate for when trying to improve the nutritional wellbeing of a nation and make inroads into reducing the country’s appalling levels of obesity and Type II diabetes. PB’s talents are best directed elsewhere.

 

I’d gladly take on the ministry of food and of health. One of the first things I’d do is promote the mantra:

 

There’s no such thing as “posh” food. Food is either good or bad.

 

I’d also revisit labelling laws, so that if the label says it’s “Kangeroo Salami” there’s at least 50% of real kangeroo in it - not reconstituted or “recovered” roo “meat” but bonafide chucks of meat cut off the carcasse with a knife

 

And so on….

 

Ah….so if I am getting the subtext of your post correct @iL Dottore   …we don’t have a reconstructed Bear then?

[Grizz]

I take it that collectively we are happy with the natural choice for the Shadowy Minster for Fish, Whelks and related folk culture? 
 

How about it @Smiffy2? 

[Grizz]

48 minutes ago, iL Dottore said:

 

I’d gladly take on the ministry of food and of health. One of the first things I’d do is promote the mantra:

 

There’s no such thing as “posh” food. Food is either good or bad.

 

I’d also revisit labelling laws, so that if the label says it’s “Kangeroo Salami” there’s at least 50% of real kangeroo in it - not reconstituted or “recovered” roo “meat” but bonafide chucks of meat cut off the carcasse with a knife

 

And so on….

 

ok then…. and if you will all please excuse the pun, as it is first come, first served. @iL Dottore you are the Shadowy Minster for Food and Health. Although on top of your ministerial duties you may also be called upon help other departments, with your wide experience and expertise…for the greater good as it were.

[Hroth]

5 minutes ago, Grizz said:

for the greater good

 

Sounds a bit like a socialist slogan to me....

 

[Grizz]

 

So sorry @Hroth, it is the bleedin auto correct prodicktive texting thingy that I am always having problems with. 
 

That was meant to read…..”for the greater goat!” 

Edited March 8 by Grizz

[Hroth]

1 minute ago, Grizz said:

 

So sorry @Hroth, it is the bleedin auto correct prodicktive texting thingy that I am always having problems with. 
 

That was meant to read…..”for the greater goat!” 

 

Goat kebab!

Now you're talking!

 

[pH]

2 hours ago, jjb1970 said:

 

North Korea is a country I would love to visit just to satisfy my curiosity as everything we get about it portrays it as some sort of cartoon looney tunes

 

1 hour ago, Grizz said:

I’d love to see their railway system…

Some information about rolling stock:
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taeyangho_armoured_train

(Edit - there’s a more general wiki article:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_North_Korea )

Edited March 8 by pH

[Coombe Barton]

... Today has been a slog of correcting the results of something in the system not doing its job and stuffing two years work of students in this year’s module, confusing both students and staff. I suspect human error but can’t prove ...

https://johncolby.wordpress.com/2024/03/08/covid-hospitalisations-and-deaths-declining-long-day-of-admin/

[PhilJ W]

3 hours ago, TheQ said:

Afternoon Awl,

Ben taken for long walk, he chose the full long route. The two diggers mentioned yesterday, one hasn't moved the other is making its way down the edge of the field making a long hole. Followed by a tractor with strange thing on the back, and a medium sized lorry which appears to have reels of large hose on it. The really odd thing is they are making their way down the ridge which has the boundary of two fields alongside so they're on comparatively high ground not where you'd expect a drain.

It could be fibre optic cable that is being laid. In that case it would be a brown colour (Fibre optic and electric). Gas would be yellow, water is light blue and drainage and sewers black.

[iL Dottore]

On a more philosophical note, there are definitely two ways  of trying a suspect: innocent until proven guilty - the prosecution must prove the scrote did it; guilty until proven innocent (after indictment) the defence must prove the scrote didn’t do it.

 

Both approaches has both positives and negatives: the first approach I think is more appropriate for a first offence, whilst the second more appropriate for career criminals.

Unlike the suggestions of our very own Kim Jong Bear, I think due process and barristers for the defence (as well as prosecution). Is a vital part of the legal process. I would, however, alter the role of a defence lawyer: not only should it be to get someone acquitted IF they are innocent, but if guilty the defence should endeavour NOT to get the indicted individual off “on a technicality”, but endeavour to get the most appropriate sentence (so no “twenty years at hard labour” for stealing a slice of cake).

 

Psychologists have studied the effectiveness of punishment and have seen that effectiveness is not down to the severity of the punishment, but how immediate it is, and how unavoidable it is. So, according to human behaviour experts, an effective shoplifting deterrent would be trial on the day of arrest followed by immediate and unavoidable punishment (incarceration, fine, house arrest or whatever).

 

If, for example, every time someone is caught shoplifting and the very same day they are tried and - if convicted- - in the slammer (or whatever), shoplifting would soon lose its appeal.

 

Of course the above presumes the police get appropriate instructions and actually arrest the scrotes and the CPS is less than than receptive to “technicalities”

 

[monkeysarefun]

6 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said:

hat's not a ute. It's a truck.  What vehicle is it based on?

 

 

 

Would  be a Toyota FJ45. They were everywhere in the 70's, 80's and 90's and certainly weren't overbearingly large.

 

 

Edited March 8 by monkeysarefun

[pH]

1 hour ago, iL Dottore said:

On a more philosophical note, there are definitely two ways  of trying a suspect: innocent until proven guilty - the prosecution must prove the scrote did it; guilty until proven innocent (after indictment) the defence must prove the scrote didn’t do it.

 

Both approaches has both positives and negatives: the first approach I think is more appropriate for a first offence, whilst the second more appropriate for career criminals.

I believe an accused’s previous history cannot be introduced to a jury trial before the guilty/not guilty verdict has been rendered. Guilt is supposed to be established on the evidence of a particular case, without reference to previous events.  (Not criminal, but I have seen punishment given out in schools on the basis of “Oh, him - he probably did it.” in cases where the pupil definitely had not done it.) Previous history can be considered relevant in sentencing.
 

1 hour ago, iL Dottore said:

Unlike the suggestions of our very own Kim Jong Bear, I think due process and barristers for the defence (as well as prosecution). Is a vital part of the legal process. I would, however, alter the role of a defence lawyer: not only should it be to get someone acquitted IF they are innocent, but if guilty the defence should endeavour NOT to get the indicted individual off “on a technicality”,

 

I thought the purpose of a trial was to establish the guilt, or otherwise, of an accused individual. How would guilt be established before a trial? If a person is obviously guilty, should it be too difficult for the prosecution to establish that in a trial?

Don’t get me wrong, I think some sentences could be much more appropriate to the (proven) crimes. But I don’t think establishing a short-circuiting of the trial process would be a good thing. (It would lead to many more appeals, if nothing else.)

Edited March 8 by pH

[TheQ]

Gentlemen, gas mains and fibre optics in a field? No chance, if they'd carried on in the same direction all they reach is the marshes. The nearest gas main is some miles away.

As it is, on the way to the MRC I peered across , and they appear to have stopped in the middle of the junction of 4 fields. The hole had been filled in and a tractor was ploughing the field. As for the pipe  colour, not entirely sure as it was covered in plastic though it was a dark colour.

I'm now wondering if they've fitted a water supply to irrigate any of the 4 fields. Not needed at the moment though. 

 

Evening Awl, 

On the way to the MRC and back saw a couple of muntjac and several rats. All trying to get Darwin's awards..

MRC work successful, if painfully slow, another night of lots of work for no obvious progress.

 

Forgot to take switches to add to the end of the smoke tubes that were fitted.

But did remember to bring back a box of stuff for the upstairs unmentionable, the most needed item was a packet of matches, without the ignition bit on the end.

 

Muggachoccy gone

Good night Awl.

[PhilJ W]

Evening all from Estuary-Land. I had intended to go shopping this afternoon but an eyelid inspection was carried out instead. That meant that dinner was quiche and chips, all that there was in the fridge so it will have to be a big shop tomorrow. I will have to time my visit to Tess Coes to avoid the Saturday crowds, just before lunch is a good time.

[polybear]

5 hours ago, iL Dottore said:

Are you having a larf? I wouldn’t let him near any ministry that has anything to do with food.

 

B1tch 🤣

[Winslow Boy]

21 minutes ago, TheQ said:

Gentlemen, gas mains and fibre optics in a field? No chance, if they'd carried on in the same direction all they reach is the marshes. The nearest gas main is some miles away.

As it is, on the way to the MRC I peered across , and they appear to have stopped in the middle of the junction of 4 fields. The hole had been filled in and a tractor was ploughing the field. As for the pipe  colour, not entirely sure as it was covered in plastic though it was a dark colour.

I'm now wondering if they've fitted a water supply to irrigate any of the 4 fields. Not needed at the moment though. 

 

Evening Awl, 

On the way to the MRC and back saw a couple of muntjac and several rats. All trying to get Darwin's awards..

MRC work successful, if painfully slow, another night of lots of work for no obvious progress.

 

Forgot to take switches to add to the end of the smoke tubes that were fitted.

But did remember to bring back a box of stuff for the upstairs unmentionable, the most needed item was a packet of matches, without the ignition bit on the end.

 

Muggachoccy gone

Good night Awl.

Maybe it's a secret fuel pipe for refueling the UFOs when they land.

[PhilJ W]

Goodnight all.

[BSW01]

Goodnight all 

[iL Dottore]

1 hour ago, pH said:

I thought the purpose of a trial was to establish the guilt, or otherwise, of an accused individual. How would guilt be established before a trial? If a person is obviously guilty, should it be too difficult for the prosecution to establish that in a trial?

As I understand it, defendants have a privileged and non-monitored communications and face to face discussions with their defence lawyer. During this process, the defendant will inform the lawyer about everything. the defendant is supposed to have done so that the lawyer can build a case for the defence. It is not unknown for a defendant to inform his or her counsel for the defence that he or she actually did do the crime, and then the counsel proceeds to try and get the defendant acquitted, even though the lawyer has been told in confidence that the defendant actually did the crime he or she was accused of. Should this confession of guilt to be made by a defendant to his or her defence lawyer then I think that the defence lawyer should be – by law – prohibited from trying to get an acquittal once he has in has been informed by the defendan of the defendants culpability.. Hence my comment about the defence getting the most appropriate sentence for that crime.

 

And returning to the Anglo-Saxon approach of trying an individual for a specific crime without any knowledge of the defendants prior criminal (or otherwise) activities, this may be good for the individual in question (for the jury to be kept in the dark as to his or her prior activities), but it is definitely not good for society. They are those who claim the method used in many continental countries where the investigating magistrate, putting together a case against an individual brings in all relevant information about that individuals previous convictions is actually fairer to the accused

 

For example: someone could be accused of murdering someone during a burglary, and in Anglo-Saxon countries accused would be tried just on this, but in the continental system the prosecution dossier put together, and which includes the defendants prior criminal activity, may actually show that the defendant has been convicted of burglary 12 times and not one of those times, even when confronted, did the defendant resort to any sort of violence. This knowledge then makes the prosecutions case for convicting the accused a lot harder to make). 

[iL Dottore]

32 minutes ago, polybear said:

B1tch 🤣

Now now, temper temper!

And such inelegant and inappropriate language as well. I thought that you were a Better Quality Bear than that.

 

But rather than going off in a huff, consider this: as minister responsible for prisons, you would have the opportunity to try out your culinary theories on – quite literally – a captive audience.

You could well go down in history as the minister that caused a 95% drop in recidivism!

[Winslow Boy]

15 minutes ago, iL Dottore said:

Now now, temper temper!

And such inelegant and inappropriate language as well. I thought that you were a Better Quality Bear than that.

 

But rather than going off in a huff, consider this: as minister responsible for prisons, you would have the opportunity to try out your culinary theories on – quite literally – a captive audience.

You could well go down in history as the minister that caused a 95% drop in recidivism!

I don't think there's enough baked beans, pizza and curly fries to cause that. Some of the f£&4£#g scrotes might like it.

[Winslow Boy]

5 hours ago, Hroth said:

 

Goat kebab!

Now you're talking!

 

Don't forget the kiwi fruit.