Early Risers.

[Tony_S]

39 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Could be relevant. One might suppose that a Buddhist or Hindu could have a different attitude to recycling to a follower of one of the Abrahamic religions.

In this part of Essex, observant Hindus and Buddhists are rare enough to be not statistically significant. Aditi can’t think,of any reason why her religion has any relevance to a tip visit booking system. It had already asked about ethnicity. The Asian family down the road are Christian so I don’t think Essex County Council are going to be able to draw too many conclusions. There are many times where an ethnicity question could be relevant (health issues) but a tip booking survey? 

[Compound2632]

15 minutes ago, Tony_S said:

There are many times where an ethnicity question could be relevant (health issues) but a tip booking survey? 

 

These are no doubt standard questions for all surveys. I'm sure it asks how you identify too. Responding to these questions is, I think, always optional.

 

But the questionnaire returns might show that persons of one ethnicity, religion, or identity are less likely to participate in the survey, having used the service, than persons of another ethnicity, religion, or identity, in which case the questionnaire designers would need to do a piece of work to identify barriers to participation for the non-respondent group, ultimately leading to a better-designed questionnaire.

[jjb1970]

2 hours ago, PMP said:

The concept of a sprinkler system is not a good idea in a car park like this, which is why they’re not there. The problem arises from bursting/splitting fuel tanks. If you have a water system all that does is transport burning fuel to new locations very rapidly, the burning fuel sitting on top of the flowing water. This then starts ‘secondary’ fires in addition to the primary incident. A foam system would be better but massively more expensive, and not much use on electric vehicle fires I understand due to their ferocity, and short duration due to the requirement to have appropriate amounts of retardant media continuously flowing.

 

No easy and cost effective answer regrettably.

 

For that sort of scenario water high fog is probably the optimum solution. High fog is extremely effective at quenching heat and flame while avoiding the issues you identify with conventional sprinklers. However it's a lot more expensive than a normal sprinkler arrangement.

[Hroth]

At the time of the Liverpool fire, I understood that if a sprinkler system had been fitted, then rather than just suppressing the initial fire, the sprinklers would cool the environment, reducing the chances of neighbouring cars exploding with the heat, the chances of structural degradation of the building and triggering alarm systems more quickly, thus allowing appropriate emergency services to attend in a prompt manner.

 

 

[PMP]

1 hour ago, jjb1970 said:

 

For that sort of scenario water high fog is probably the optimum solution. High fog is extremely effective at quenching heat and flame while avoiding the issues you identify with conventional sprinklers. However it's a lot more expensive than a normal sprinkler arrangement.

In an enclosed environment that has real benefit. Unfortunately in open sided car parks and similar structures there’s limited benefit as it literally gets blown away by the ambient winds. 

[Ian Abel]

13 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said:

The tyre pressure gauge made its annual complaint this evening. Leaving work in the dim and wet at 56°F / 13°C one of them was down to 28 psi / 193 kPa where they start to bark (or beep).

 

I do have a small electric pump for emergencies, but to really charge them up it's better to trek to the one gas/petrol station nearby with a coin-operated compressor - 4 quarters for a few minutes, which is usually just enough time if done efficiently.

 

The bane of low profile tyres is that the pressure does drop - aided and abetted by cooler weather which really makes a difference. They were where they should be (mid-30s psi when driving them on the highway on Saturday).

 

Yesterday morning I noticed the little tree out front decided to start dropping leaves so I raked them ahead of coming rain. Today was breezy and raining and now there are a lot more. I might dash out and rake them tonight even though it is fully dark. I won't have time tomorrow. They're heavy and wet right now but will blow around if they dry out.

 

In Chicago one year I made the mistake of not raking the detritus from a big tree in the back yard of the home we rented. When I finally decided it needed doing the leaves were frozen to the ground - and that is a beast to clean up. At least that's not a problem here.

Since I have Rigid power tools and therefore batteries I got one of these a couple of years back, works great and also has power available from a cigarette lighter cable if the battery you're carrying is flat.

Reads the current pressure, and can either be manually used or dial in the required psi and just let it do its thing.

 

Many of the other tool companies sell similar, I liked/prefer this mostly because it has the built in display gauge and auto-setting feature.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Ian Abel

[Andy Hayter]

3 hours ago, PMP said:

The concept of a sprinkler system is not a good idea in a car park like this, which is why they’re not there. The problem arises from bursting/splitting fuel tanks. If you have a water system all that does is transport burning fuel to new locations very rapidly, the burning fuel sitting on top of the flowing water. This then starts ‘secondary’ fires in addition to the primary incident. A foam system would be better but massively more expensive, and not much use on electric vehicle fires I understand due to their ferocity, and short duration due to the requirement to have appropriate amounts of retardant media continuously flowing.

 

No easy and cost effective answer regrettably.

 

I am going to disagree with you. Not because you have written anything that is factually wrong but because I think you are looking at the problem in the wrong way.

 

You are quite right that water is a bad way to extinguish a liquid fuel fire like this and I hope we are all aware of the consequences of putting water on a chip pan fire and would never use it.

 

I have however worked all my working life in the petrochemicals industry  and have seen the consequences of fires in for example tank farms where many thousands of tons of such flammable materials are stored.  I can assure you that in almost every case very large amounts of water are consumed.  But this is not to extinguish the fire but to contain it - to prevent spread to adjacent tanks.

 

What we have in a carpark such as Luton is many hundreds of small storage tanks.  Each contains an amount of flammable hydrocarbon.  In the event of a fire - and before the fire brigade can attend, you need to contain the fire to ensure that personnel in the are can evacuate and avoid spread as far as possible.

 

Ah he says but water will spread any spilt fuel.  Indeed it might but really quite locally in the first instance.   In most cases even when a fire is well alight the majority of the fuel will still be in the tank up to the point where it explodes due to pressure build up in the tank (due to heat) that cannot vent quickly enough.  The tank splits the fuel escapes - mainly as gas in the first instance and ignites causing the explosion.  In a worst case scenario this is when the sprinkler kicks in but reality if there is enough heat to cause an explosion you would hope it would already be working before the first bang.

 

Burning fuel will likely have been sprayed around onto adjacent vehicles and in any scenario the burning vehicle will be radiating a large amount of heat putting adjacent vehicles at risk of their tanks heating and exploding - giving a chain reaction.  The burning fuel from the first explosion on the adjacent vehicles will cause any flammable components to burn - bumpers and panels in many vehicles.  However with a sprinkler system the fuel that is burning is  washed off before panels can catch alight - and yes it will spread the burning fuel but the amount of fuel will be really limited with much of it consumed in the explosion and immediate fire or even still in what remains of the tank - yes really.   Further, the water removes heat from adjacent vehicles so that their tanks do not reach a temperature where they are at risk of explosion themselves, which is the principle of using water in a refinery or chemical plant tank farm.   There is no chain reaction and the fire is localised and ready for the fire brigade to tackle.  

 

So the system does not put the fire out but it does contain spread by cooling those vehicles immediately at risk.

[Ian Abel]

HUMP day...

 

Yesterday the baseball team were routed <very sad face>. As it's a best of 5 series and we're now down 2 - 1 this evenings game is a do-or-die to get us to the final game.

 

Had beers and swore at the TV a lot, watching with my buddy. Odd that the baseball "rules" were updated for the regular season to speed up the game, BUT, it seems that doesn't flow to the post-season as the number of commercials inserted at way too frequent intervals became more than tedious!

 

Today, the latest i.e. version 3.0 of our picture window is being installed as we speak. It looks like this on, FINALLY, isn't defective. The manufacturer isn't one the installers will use again, as they are becoming increasingly devoid of any QA it seems!

 

Later, will hope for a win as we watch what could be the last baseball game for our local Minnesota Twins.

 

Chilling out rapidly here, 4c and sunny first thing, up to 16c later, but dropping again overnight to around 4-5c they are forecasting.

 

Carry on.

[PMP]

34 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said:

 

I am going to disagree with you. Not because you have written anything that is factually wrong but because I think you are looking at the problem in the wrong way.

 

You are quite right that water is a bad way to extinguish a liquid fuel fire like this and I hope we are all aware of the consequences of putting water on a chip pan fire and would never use it.

 

I have however worked all my working life in the petrochemicals industry  and have seen the consequences of fires in for example tank farms where many thousands of tons of such flammable materials are stored.  I can assure you that in almost every case very large amounts of water are consumed.  But this is not to extinguish the fire but to contain it - to prevent spread to adjacent tanks.

 

What we have in a carpark such as Luton is many hundreds of small storage tanks.  Each contains an amount of flammable hydrocarbon.  In the event of a fire - and before the fire brigade can attend, you need to contain the fire to ensure that personnel in the are can evacuate and avoid spread as far as possible.

 

Ah he says but water will spread any spilt fuel.  Indeed it might but really quite locally in the first instance.   In most cases even when a fire is well alight the majority of the fuel will still be in the tank up to the point where it explodes due to pressure build up in the tank (due to heat) that cannot vent quickly enough.  The tank splits the fuel escapes - mainly as gas in the first instance and ignites causing the explosion.  In a worst case scenario this is when the sprinkler kicks in but reality if there is enough heat to cause an explosion you would hope it would already be working before the first bang.

 

Burning fuel will likely have been sprayed around onto adjacent vehicles and in any scenario the burning vehicle will be radiating a large amount of heat putting adjacent vehicles at risk of their tanks heating and exploding - giving a chain reaction.  The burning fuel from the first explosion on the adjacent vehicles will cause any flammable components to burn - bumpers and panels in many vehicles.  However with a sprinkler system the fuel that is burning is  washed off before panels can catch alight - and yes it will spread the burning fuel but the amount of fuel will be really limited with much of it consumed in the explosion and immediate fire or even still in what remains of the tank - yes really.   Further, the water removes heat from adjacent vehicles so that their tanks do not reach a temperature where they are at risk of explosion themselves, which is the principle of using water in a refinery or chemical plant tank farm.   There is no chain reaction and the fire is localised and ready for the fire brigade to tackle.  

 

So the system does not put the fire out but it does contain spread by cooling those vehicles immediately at risk.

I don’t doubt or disagree with your professional experience. In all the training I have had on dealing with aircraft fuel related fires etc., is don’t use ‘water’ and try and deploy bunds if possible. In a fuel farm or airport apron that’s much easier than a multi storey car park with access ramps etc. There was a similar fire in the past few years in Scandinavia, with similar results. As I recall their investigation concluded that sprinklers may have helped, but wind speed and the lack

of compartments contributed to the spread of the fire. It apparently was burning for around 5 minutes before the first reaction which didn’t help, and no one used local extinguishers in an early preventative attempt. 
I’m lucky I guess in having some very limited fire training in dealing with fuel fires, most people haven’t and probably wouldn’t attempt an initial intervention, probably just film it for Tictok! I’d be hesitant to myself being totally honest, going safety first for myself and others as a priority.

[Coombe Barton]

3 hours ago, Tony_S said:

There are many times where an ethnicity question could be relevant (health issues) but a tip booking survey? 

People running the surveys don't understand why they are asking questions, sometimes, unless it's one of these over zealous "inclusivity, diversity, ethnicity, anti-ageism, etc" requirements of the council. (there, that should wind @polybear up :) )

 

As part of my teaching is getting people to construct sensible surveys it's a subject that's sometimes a thorn in the side.

[Coombe Barton]

55 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said:

So the system does not put the fire out but it does contain spread by cooling those vehicles immediately at risk.

Getting enough water to the fire in teh shortest time is a necessity. You can't skimp on those things.

[Tony_S]

27 minutes ago, Coombe Barton said:

People running the surveys don't understand why they are asking questions, sometimes, unless it's one of these over zealous "inclusivity, diversity, ethnicity, anti-ageism, etc" requirements of the council. (there, that should wind @polybear up :) )

 

As part of my teaching is getting people to construct sensible surveys it's a subject that's sometimes a thorn in the side.

Aditi used to teach Research Methods and poor questionnaire design still gets commented on. I think a lot of data are collected so that councils can demonstrate how concerned they are. I suspect not a lot happens with the results though.

Matthew was quite unpleasantly racially abused in reception class.  We dealt with it at home but I let the school know as I felt they should be aware. The head said it couldn’t possibly have happened as the school had a policy statement about racism. I did ask if anyone had read it. Then there was a weird statement that the boy who had been abusive was the child of a police officer so what could they have done anyway! 
That school like most others collected ethnicity data. Aditi had put down that Matthew was Indian / White British mixed race. At the end of the first year we got a data statement stating he was Sri Lankan. We queried this and were told the school secretary had decided that best fitted our description. So Aditi told them he was White British. I assume they then  lost the section 11 funding they were entitled to. He didn’t exactly need extra support due to being born to a New Commonwealth origin parent anyway. 

[polybear]

54 minutes ago, Coombe Barton said:

People running the surveys don't understand why they are asking questions, sometimes, unless it's one of these over zealous "inclusivity, diversity, ethnicity, anti-ageism, etc" requirements of the council. (there, that should wind @polybear up :) )

 

 

Bear?  Get wound up?  Dead calm is my middle name......

[Tony_S]

4 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

But the questionnaire returns might show that persons of one ethnicity, religion, or identity are less likely to participate in the survey, having used the service, than persons of another ethnicity, religion, or identity, in which case the questionnaire designers would need to do a piece of work to identify barriers to participation for the non-respondent group, ultimately leading to a better-designed questionnaire.

One interesting situation from surveys and questionnaires involves honesty. Some general elections ago when there were quite large deviations from poll predictions was how truthful were people when they answered pollsters. This didn’t surprise me. The college I worked used to survey all students and do various tests. However one of the tests was about “attitudes”. The students generally thought this was a waste of time and many of them once they knew it was anonymous chose the most negative answer. 
The vice principal was quite upset that it appeared we had a college full of unpleasant characters and what were we going to do. The general suggestion from the staff was to ignore the survey and don’t issue it again. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Tony_S

[Compound2632]

15 minutes ago, Tony_S said:

The vice principal was quite upset that it appeared we had a college full of unpleasant characters and what were we going to do. The general suggestion from the staff was to ignore the survey and don’t issue it again. 

 

We used to have a staff survey which we answered honestly which was pointless as the only come-back from management was to ask us to use our "circle time" to discuss what we could do to dispel our dissatisfaction with management. One year, I recall a colleague from another team relishing the fact that his team had achieved the lowest positivity ranking; his comment was "and I didn't even do the survey".  

[PhilJ W]

Afternoon all from Estuary-Land. Didn't get as much done as intended this afternoon except putting the washing on and checking the garden. The foxes are definitely back, they left a 'message' on what was the lawn. It was spitting with rain when I put the bin bags out, (with a little addition to discourage the foxes).

[BSW01]

Good evening everyone 

 

Another busy day here today. I’m glad I decided to stay indoors. It started to rain just after I’d posted this morning and it’s never stopped. It’s not been heavy rain, more like a drizzle, but it’s never stopped. Both mine and Sheila’s parcels arrived before dinner, so we are both happy bunnies. 

 

The top and the front and end edges of the long shelf have had 3 coats of varnish. I also made 7 litres of wall paper paste, some of which was decanted into another bucket and watered down and used as size. 

 

In the drawing below, the walls coloured RED have been sized. The walls coloured YELLOW will be done in the not to distant future. Tomorrow, I’ll give the bottom of the shelf a few coats of varnish and hopefully make a start papering the RED walls. The black marks show where both doors are, there is also a window to the right of the French (double doors) windows.

[DaveF]

After a bit of thought this morning I dedcided to go out and visit Belsay Hall and Castle (English Heritage).  I made a simple picnic and a flask of coffee and biscuits and set off.  Before I reached the end of the road I returned home as I decided to take my Nikon dSLR and not rely on my phone and little Canon Ixus.  The roadworks on the way out of town only delayed me by a couple of minutes and then I had a very enjoyable drive on a mix of single track country lanes and A roads, stopping on the way for my coffee just parking on a grass verge.  There I discovered that the flask had developed a small leak around the top, fortunately it had been standing upright in the basket and the coffee was still hot. 

 

There was very little traffic on the way and loads of space in the car park when I arrived.  I had a very enjoyable look at the Hall and the Castle and saw the completed work to convert an old barn into a second cafe and toilets, next time I will try the cafe.  On the walk through the gardens there was plenty to see in terms of very early autumn colours, berries and a few flowers.  As I walked back from the castle towards the winter gardens I noticed that the barrier on the walk to Crag Wood and the lake had been taken away as enough trees brought down by storm Arwen in 2021 have been removed to make it safe to walk around. 

 

So I extended my walk and had a good look at the lake and went a short distance into the wood, next time I wil wear walkimg bots and explore further - it's quite a long time since I walked round it.

 

I got back to the entrance and shop in time to have a good look round and found a very nice guide to Butterflies and Moths at a good price.  I got back to the car just at the right time for lunch which I ate sitting in the car, the car park was still very empty.  In all I walked about 3.5 miles.

 

The drive home was pleasant, I decided to stop at the Milkhope Centre which is a group of shops on the Blagdon Estate, which is of course owned by the Ridleys.  The kitchen shop had some bits and pieces I wanted, after that I went into the farm shop and stocked up on food and treats.  They do good Cumberland sausages containing very little fat which suit my gut.  I looked at the art gallery but although they had lovely paintings and prints they all stayed on the wall, my house is more than full enough.

 

On the journey from the Milkhope Centre to my house the car informed me that it had done 108mpg which is pleasing.

 

Pictures below.

 

Belsay Hall front

 

Inside Belsay Hall

 

 

Rose hips

 

Early autumn at Belsay

 

The manor house attached to Belsay Castle

 

 

The Quarry Garden

 

David

Edited October 11, 2023 by DaveF

[BoD]

12 hours ago, Barry O said:

Baz built Chile to prep

You did Chile?

Do you know Slartibartfast? 
He does fjords.

[grandadbob]

Evenin' each,

Well what started out as a reasonable day didn't stay that way for long.

After breakfast I did a bit of work in the garden tidying up,  washing down the garden furniture and covering it all up ready for the winter.  That was fine, no problem at all.

I then ambled off cheerfully to the dentist, greeted in a friendly manner by Millie the lovely young receptionist who asked if I wanted a coffee (no thanks) while I waited although there wouldn't be much delay.  Ushered in to the surgery only about 5 minutes after the appointed time and the usual chat and questions about general health etc.  Poking and prodding and examination of the oral cavity ensued, X-rays taken and cleaning commenced.  "Doesn't look like there are any problems here" he said cheerfully followed by "Ah, there is a very small cavity, I can sort that out now."  So he started sorting.....and sorting and drilling and sorting for some time.  "It's a bit bigger than I thought, I've had to cut the gum and now we've got to stop the bleeding before I can fill it."  So stopping was tried...and tried....etc  Eventually the blooding was steeped and the filling inserted and I was on my way home. Profuse apologies about the time taken - I was in the chair for about 90 minutes - but apart from jaw ache from having my mouth open so long it was pretty painless and seems to be fine now.   I do like him and all the rest of the staff there though, they do try to make you as comfortable as possible.  I will be getting a follow up call tomorrow to check that I'm still alive all is OK.  

Managed a muggatea tea and a sandwich for lunch with no problems a little later so that was a big tick.

Went to The Shed and muddled about a bit this afternoon and this evening enjoyed a glass of Speckled Hen followed by a sausage casserole and a glass of Portuguese vino.

Incidentally I've noted that one or two posters have had pain and/or side effects from their Covid and flu jabs.  Had both of mine at the same time about 4 weeks ago and had no problems whatsoever. 

Beginning to think that there must be something wrong with me........

 

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by grandadbob

[polybear]

49 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

We used to have a staff survey which we answered honestly which was pointless as the only come-back from management was to ask us to use our "circle time" to discuss what we could do to dispel our dissatisfaction with management. 

 

The Great Empire carried out a rather detailed staff survey one year, followed by extensive analysis and then published the (rather large and detailed) results.

In a moment of extreme boredom and madness (so pretty much every day really) a Certain Bear read it all in detail.....

The staff in one department stated that they were satisfied with their salary....

When Bear checked the department number to see who they actually were, I discovered that those who felt they were fairly and/or well paid it turned out to be.......HR.....

 

So were they just singin' the Company song, or actually feel that way cos' they "look after Number One" when it comes to dishin' out the gronkits?  I'll let you decide.....

[monkeysarefun]

11 hours ago, Gwiwer said:

Nowhere near the payout from Melbourne’e Christmas Day hail storm of 2011 when something like 10,000 cars were written off in minutes. 
 

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/storms-hit-melbourne-on-christmas-day-20111225-1p9b2.html

 

Even that pales into insignificance when compared with Sydney 1999 when an estimated half-million tonnes of hail was flung violently from the skies 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Sydney_hailstorm#:~:text=The storm developed south of,of hailstones in its path.

 

Readers of the Fear Coming to Australia” thread please note!

 

In other news the sudden departure of Cal Wilson to the great gig in the sky is cause for sadness; a genius and all-round good ‘un 

 

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102962284

 

Good morning from the Distant (Signal) West where last night’s fog has largely cleared though the morning remains grey. On the agenda today are his ‘n’ hers flu shots followed by a later-afternoon (or “prevening” for fans of Dr Sheldon Cooper) visit to the Deltic-running Club. 
 

Tomorrow it is his ‘n’ hers anti-Covid boosters in Penzance which is the nearest place offering such a service currently. Hers is at 18.40 and his at 20.00; we’ll turn up for 18.40 and see if common sense prevails. 
 

The last of the boxes are open though with five yet to be unpacked. And that’s that - we have relocated. With just the two very minor breakages noted before and one slightly scuffed picture frame. Overall not a bad result. 
 

 

 

 

I remember the Sydney hailstorm - hailstones reached 5 inches in diameter and many were around 3 inches. The speed of them was estimated at  up to 200km/h as they fell.  It didn't come this far inland luckily  but the coastal strip copped it. Its still the largest insurance event in Australian history, even given recent floods and fires. 

 

I recall my then wife's uncle was on a business trip and had paid a heap extra for  "premium parking" at Sydney airport which was meant to include undercover parking etc. His almost new  car got completely totalled   - every window smashed, every panel written off. The carpark company had some explaining to do. It was a company car which numbed some of the pain but on the other hand he'd only had it 2 weeks.

 

Not his car but just an example, but whole streets and carparks were filled with cars like these.

 

 

 

 

Usually car yards in affected areas have hail sales after events like this where they sell off hail-affected cars cheaply, they have certain restrictions on insurance etc due to the dimples in the duco - this time though most  were too badly damaged to sell and had to be written off. This followed an earlier event in 1996 or 97 which did similar damage and convinced most caryards to install huge mesh hail covers over their yards. Some of these supercell tropical storms have to be seen to be believed.

 

A few  people saw an opportunity to get an insurance payout on their  unwanted cars and took to their undamaged cars  with hammers, golf balls, frozen oranges in socks etc.  These were easily spotted by assessors and the perpetrators ended up with a hammer damaged car, no insurance cover and a charge of attempted insurance fraud.

 

 

Sad news about Cal Wilson.

[PhilJ W]

Evening all from Estuary-Land. It has just this minute started to rain heavily, the first heavy rain we have had for ages. Looks as if I got the bin bags out just in time.temperature is still up at 18C. however but thats due to change by the weekend. 

[New Haven Neil]

1 hour ago, Tony_S said:

I suspect not a lot happens with the results though.

 

Many moons ago I was in a meeting in Newcastle Civic Centre (aka Town Hall) with the great and good, representing the local health service HR (as in - no senior management could be ar$ed to go) after the city doing a survey regarding racial balance had been undertaken by all public services in the area.  One guy asked what we were now going to do with this data..........the silence was deafening.  It was hard not to laugh, really.  No ideas, no idea. This was local councillors, heads of civil service departments etc.  So poor old me had to stand up, definitely the most junior person there b a country mile. Pah.

 

We - the hospital I worked in - did actually do something, a project of positive action for racial minorities in the NHS (I was even on the local telly talking about it) which had some success, but I don't recall any - ANY - of the other public services doing one jot. Nuffink.

Edited October 11, 2023 by New Haven Neil
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[monkeysarefun]

10 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

It's been pay for air in the UK for years

 

 

 

 

Jeez I'd heard you've privatised water, but that seems a step too far!

 

 

 

Come here where the air is free!

 

 

 

It was realised that if you have something that people have to put coins in to use , other people tend to smash it up to get the coins back out!

 

Which costs more to fix than the money they are raking in.

 

When that happens  there are  2 options - option one is to remove the service.  Option two  is to make it free.

 

THus we have free air in service stations, free gas/electric BBQ's in every park, and free-to-use public phone boxes. 

 

And they always work, and they are  always unsmashed up.

 

Simple!

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by monkeysarefun