Early Risers.

[PhilJ W]

Evening all from Estuary-Land. Been spending this evening watching the F1 and catching up on Farcebook. The racing was quite thrilling with two major crashes where fortunately the drivers walked away from. Made quite a bit of progress on Farcebook despite it being carp. The new format has stripped out a few features that were useful, user friendly it aint. 

[BSW01]

Good evening everyone 

 

We got up very late this morning, so I went straight out to the workshop and continued working on the turntable control panel. The alterations I’d identified last weekend were completed and further test carried out. Thankfully these were on the whole successful, but the bridge stopped LED isn’t working, test showed it’s wired up correctly, but also revealed that instead of 5v dc, I’m getting-5v dc! Swapping the wiring round on the LED didn’t work, so I’ll have to trace the wiring to see what’s up there. I suspect that I’ll have to separate the 12, the 5 and the 3 volt circuits, as at the moment all three 0v lines are connected together. This was common in my previous employment so that there was always a common 0v reference point, having a floating 0v line could cause serious problems when trying to take accurate measurements. 

 

This evening it was my turn to phone my brother in Canada, as is the norm with our conversations, we didn’t change the world or anything else like that. The main topic of conversation was what DIY projects we both were up to. 

 

BoD, we wish you and yours all the best and hope all goes as well as it can do under the circumstances. 

[BSW01]

Goodnight all 

[PhilJ W]

Goodnight all.

[The Stationmaster]

3 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said:

Mike, the bread I occasionally eat (marketed as "whole grain") has 19g of total carbs (3g of sugar) per 38g slice.

 

The Heinz ketchup in my 'fridge has 5g of total carbs (4g of sugar) per 17g tablespoon. You'd need about 4 tablespoons of ketchup to match the total carbs of one slice of this bread.

 

Tony, yes, that was the intent of my comment.

But it's a gheck of a lot of sugar and calories to burn off.  The carbs aren't ve important provided you don't go mad eating too much - a slice of toasted bread a day is more than enough for me and I usually eat less than a small potato on the days I actually eat any sort of spud but doing away completely with the spuds does a have a beneficial effect on my waistline.   Something which is coming in with c.8% sugar seems rather excessive to me when it's more than 3 times the sugar content of a British (Tesco) wholemeal loaf - why do they add so much sugar I wonder?  Incidentally that same  Tesco wholemeal loaf has =17.6g of carbohydrate per 40g  slice

[The Stationmaster]

G'night all

[newbryford]

On 27/11/2020 at 22:30, BokStein said:

 

 

(= i.e. is pronounced as)

Bicester = Bister

Leicester(shire) = Lester(sheer)

 

 

 

 

Towcester - a device for drying bread into a pleasant accompaniment to butter. (Toaster)

 

 

On 28/11/2020 at 13:29, jonny777 said:

 

 

Lancashire has some as well. One of my sons lives in Barnoldswick which the locals know as Barlick.

 

 

 

 

And yes - they residents are Barlickers.

 

In some places, my nearest large town - Blackburn - is pronounced ****hole.

 

 

[newbryford]

Thoughts to Warren and Mrs BoD.

 

Haven't managed to catch up ERs for the last few days until now as it's been a bit carp since a mid-week phonecall from my nephew (son of brother who had the ladder fall earlier this year).

 

 

My brother had been recovering physically very well from his injuries sustained in March, but other things were going on in his head which resulted in him taking an overdose of Warfarin on Wednesday.

Luckily - he was found and is currently recovering physically, although we don't yet know what the longer term holds for his mental state. 

At least he is in the best place that can look after him.

 

Stay strong big Bro.

[J. S. Bach]

Prayers for Warren and Mrs BoD.  Night Owl from the Piedmont.

[iL Dottore]

4 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

...Something which is coming in with c.8% sugar seems rather excessive to me when it's more than 3 times the sugar content of a British (Tesco) wholemeal loaf - why do they add so much sugar I wonder? ..

The addition of so much sugar to food is down to the flawed nutritional advice developed in the 60s/70s when fat was demonised and manufacturers started removing fat from commercially prepared food. However, removing fat from food also removes a lot of the taste, so to return some semblance of taste to commercially prepared food, manufacturers started putting in extra salt and sugar.
 

Interestingly, current nutritional thinking – based on high-quality modern research – pins the start of the western world’s obesity epidemic to when they started to remove fat from commercially prepared food, replacing it with extra sugar and salt. Very simply put, complex carbohydrates are fine in moderation, but the so-called empty carbohydrates (such as sugar or its evil bastard cousin high fructose corn syrup) are very much problematic. And many modern diets in the western world are far, far too high in empty carbohydrates.

 

If you were to eat out three times a day (say breakfast at ‘spoons, lunch at Pret and a takeaway pizza for dinner) you could be ingesting far more carbohydrates in that day than our parents ever did in a day - mostly due to the hidden carbohydrates in commercially prepared food (not for nothing do those countries with comparatively little “junk food“ and ready-made meals - such as Italy and France – have much lower levels of obesity than those countries where “junk food“ and ready-made meals are ubiquitous). And a huge proportion of those carbohydrates are in the form of high fructose corn syrup.

 

A number of years ago, before I started my weight loss diet (I’m now at -30 kg and counting) I watched a program on one of the British television channels about dieting.  The program interviewed a professor of nutritional medicine at (if I recall correctly) Bristol University who, to illustrate his point, had laid out a selection of different breakfasts. They included toast and marmalade, cereals, muesli and a “full English“ (minus the baked beans and fried bread). When quizzed by the professor as to what was the healthiest breakfast on the table, the presenters were surprised to find the healthiest option was the Full English. The reason being that all the other breakfasts were high in empty carbohydrates which in turn would lead to insulin spikes after eating - which is Not A Good Thing.

 

Accordingly emboldened by this information (and based on other research I did) I started on a low carbohydrate/high fat diet (a variation of the Atkins diet) and I have never looked back. I have lost a ton of weight (figuratively speaking) and my cholesterol numbers (HDL and LDL) have remained more than acceptable. Anecdotally, I can attest that 200 g of slow roast pork belly will keep me satiated a lot longer than 200 g of potatoes, rice or pasta (fat vs carbs).

 

And on that nutritional note, I bid you a great start to the week and I’m off to have breakfast (bacon and eggs, as you ask)

 

iD

Edited November 30, 2020 by iL Dottore

[Gwiwer]

6 hours ago, figworthy said:

 

Upminister.

 

End of the line, way past Barking.

 

Adrian

Mornington Crescent

 

 

Oh

 

 

 

Wrong thread

 

 

Well it is early. The week is under way. Good yawning all

[chrisf]

Greetings one and all, with warm thoughts and commiserations to BoD and Newbryford

 

There was something of a wallow in nostalgia for Chris last night as I watched the programme about how David Edwards became a millionaire on 'Who wants to ...'.  I recalled not seing the original programme back in 1992  because my video recorder malfunctioned - never a good time for that!  It so happens that David and I are of long standing acquaintance but we have not met since a party in Southport in 2004.  I cannot think of anyone else who has won Millionaire, Mastermind and Brain of Britain.  More recently he has been half of the Wales team on Round Britain Quiz.  They tend to do rather well.

 

I do not expect to enjoy the next few days.  The preparations for Wednesday's CT scan involve lots of laxatives, very little food and more than a soupcon of anxiety.  I forgive those who write about delicious food.

 

Best wishes to all

 

Chris

[Barry O]

Ey up!

@newbryford..thoughts are with you and your brother.

 

When I make my own bread.. no salt and only a very small amount of sugar. It tastes nice but doesn't have particularly good storage properties.

 

On my slop chit for today...

 

Parcels to prepare and post.

Tidy up my work room.

Zoom based committee meeting.

Not a lot!

 

Very damp ourside so may have to get a bit wet going to the post office. Never mind the walk does me good. I may be forced into eating a dragon sausage  or two for breakfast.

 

The availability of low sugar and low salt items in the uk is inceeasing. @BoD gave me some Lemon Curd a while back..no sugar.. excellent stuff but you need to keep it in the fridge and eat within 5 days.. unfortunately they can't mail order it out.  I believe when it comes to food the changes in "medical opinions" are, apparently rapid and not always thought through. When first diagnosed with diabetes the advice was ear as much bread, pasta and potatoes as you can" now its very much "eat less carbs" sometimes, as an engineer who sees things as black or white I can guess why scientists don't have the same thought processes..

 

 

time to drink my tea and beat Monday into submission. @chrisf.. divvn't fret marra.. the scan will be fine.. my next MRI is on 21st Dec, my next eye laser zapping is on Saturday, our antibodies results are due tomorrow.. a hectic medical week or two coming my way.

 

Stay safe!

very positive thoughts to all ERs , especially to the "missing" ones.

 

baz

 

 

[jamie92208]

Morning to all and Sundry.  Warm thoughts to Warren and his Mrs and also to Chris as he prepares for Wednesday.  Not a huge amount got done yesterday apart from modelling tools gaining me brownie points.  Beth spent much of the afternoon helping a lad who is somewhere on the autism spectrum, to restring an electric guitar from right handed to left handed. Some strings got muddled but my Vernier calipers saved the day in identifying the culprits.

 

Not a lot on the agenda today apart from more tile removal in the bathroom and probably some logging work in the woodshed.

 

Regards to all.

 

Jamie

[roundhouse]

Hoping for a good outcome for your brother Mick.

 

Bod - heres to a swift recovery.

 

Chrisf - Talking of food I wont say if it will be tasty but having spoken to the landlady of a local pub on Saturday and a visit to the brewery in Reigate yesterday for a grwoler fill, I can see il Dittores point about three meals a day that we are likely to have on Saturday so that we can visit three drinking establishments. We may look a little larger than in the past.

 

So the landlady is planning on doing jacket potatoes and salad but with the rule that you will have to leave as soon as you finish the meal (and apparently no time to finish your pint) she said that is going to take a while to do each meal with just her being there to serve and cook. She may also do dessert. Then its off to the brewery where they are thinking of doing two sessions of an evning with food delivered to your table towards the end. They may also do desserts. Turns out we know the Scottish bloke at the brewery from the past (thought I recognised him last time we could drink there before Lockdown2), he was the manager at a well known nearby brewery's bar in Aberdeen since it opened that we first visited a day or two after opening plus most years since.

 

A good bonfire last night has cleared much of next doors and our garden waste. It was quite pleasnt keeping warm by the fire finshing the growler of Pilgrim Saracen, a very nice dark brew.

 

Today will be spent in the shed till its time to do the weekly shop  for Mum.

Edited November 30, 2020 by roundhouse

[polybear]

1 hour ago, chrisf said:

I cannot think of anyone else who has won Millionaire, Mastermind and Brain of Britain. 

 

The only names I know are Judith Keppell (I think) who won Millionaire, and Fred Housego the London Cabbie who won Mastermind (jeez, that was forty years ago) and went on to do TV and Radio work

 

2 hours ago, iL Dottore said:

The addition of so much sugar to food is down to the flawed nutritional advice developed in the 60s/70s when fat was demonised and manufacturers started removing fat from commercially prepared food. However, removing fat from food also removes a lot of the taste, so to return some semblance of taste to commercially prepared food, manufacturers started putting in extra salt and sugar.
 

 

 

It's about time that the Gov. made it law that all packaged food shows a standard traffic light system for nutritional information - far too many items still have a table on the back which is of little use to Man nor Bear.  Cake should be exempt though, instead being replaced with a "Who Gives A Sh1t" statement.

 

I see some good news for the environment is imminent, though I suspect that Farmers are none too impressed; those wishing to eat may have a harder time too, as will their wallets:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55102891

 

Bear will be having a slightly easier day today, to include doing the washing (fortunately a lot easier with these spinny roundy washing machine thingies - I can easily recall my mum doing the washing with a hoover twin tub, variations of which are still sold by Currys though not made by Hoover).

I also need to go into "plan mode" to determine the best preferred way of boxing in the stairs with plasterboard.

I've heard that from Jan 1st there will be a limit on how long UK residents can spend in the EU (3 months in every 6 apparently) which will no doubt impress (not) my mate's wife next door (they have a place in the south of France).  Seems she's decided that driving out there on the 20th Dec is a good idea - he's not overly pleased with the idea due to C-19, but has learnt that on some things it's easier to go with the flow (she's NEVER ever wrong - and will never EVER admit to being wrong even when he proves so.....).  As an example, I mentioned that some roofers have dumped some asbestos sheet in the alleyway which runs behind our houses; buddy's wife says it's not asbestos but actually the plinth off some kitchen units.  Well since it's covered in the remnants of cement staining I know where Bear's money lies.......

Edited November 30, 2020 by polybear

[AndrewC]

 

Greetings all from the boring borough. Today is Monday, it is also Wednesday as I have a short week. The project mangler isn't happy that I'm down to 15 working days for the rest of the year. He told me to cancel. I told him the dates were booked before I was assigned to the project and that if they want me to cancel they'd have to get HR approval for me to carry over more than allowed. I also told him where to go and how to get there as my assigned number of hours for the project and therefore the budget was constrained by the dates already in the system. Tw@twaffle the first. 

 

A schitty weekend was had. Friday saw the return of an old friend. A rather painful flare up of diverticulitis with its accompanying discomfort. 6 hours of back and forth with NHS111 and it came down to take 2 paracetamol and call back in the morning. I could have saved 2 days of pain and growing infection if the stupid buqqer on the phone had just got a script for the usual antibiotics issued in the first place. Tw@twaffle the second.  It also means no beer for 7 days which makes me grumpier than usual. 

 

Fortunately no third place TW at the moment. I expect that to change in the coming hours. 

 

@BoD Take it easy, get over it and I really hope you don't end up with any of the long covid symptoms. There are mutterings that vitamin D has properties to limit the severity. Couldn't hurt to try. 

 

 

With regards to Ring cameras. I've posted this before but here is one of our neighbourly foxes attempting to have a butcher's in next door's skip. Strange how the LED light makes the Disco look more orange than its actual cherry red. 

 

That's about it from me. Take care everyone. Enjoy the day. 

[TheQ]

34 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

 

 

I see some good news for the environment is imminent, though I suspect that Farmers are none too impressed; those wishing to eat may have a harder time too, as will their wallets:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55102891

 

 

and an increase in air and sea miles on Imported foods, increasing the CO2 generation of this country..

[roundhouse]

13 minutes ago, AndrewC said:

 

Greetings all from the boring borough. Today is Monday, it is also Wednesday as I have a short week. The project mangler isn't happy that I'm down to 15 working days for the rest of the year. He told me to cancel. I told him the dates were booked before I was assigned to the project and that if they want me to cancel they'd have to get HR approval for me to carry over more than allowed. I also told him where to go and how to get there as my assigned number of hours for the project and therefore the budget was constrained by the dates already in the system. Tw@twaffle the first. 

 

A schitty weekend was had. Friday saw the return of an old friend. A rather painful flare up of diverticulitis with its accompanying discomfort. 6 hours of back and forth with NHS111 and it came down to take 2 paracetamol and call back in the morning. I could have saved 2 days of pain and growing infection if the stupid buqqer on the phone had just got a script for the usual antibiotics issued in the first place. Tw@twaffle the second.  It also means no beer for 7 days which makes me grumpier than usual. 

 

Fortunately no third place TW at the moment. I expect that to change in the coming hours. 

 

@BoD Take it easy, get over it and I really hope you don't end up with any of the long covid symptoms. There are mutterings that vitamin D has properties to limit the severity. Couldn't hurt to try. 

 

 

With regards to Ring cameras. I've posted this before but here is one of our neighbourly foxes attempting to have a butcher's in next door's skip. Strange how the LED light makes the Disco look more orange than its actual cherry red. 

 

That's about it from me. Take care everyone. Enjoy the day. 

Do you recognise that fox to give him a telling off ofr leaving paw prints on the car.

 

Yesterday another Ring camera discounted in the Black Friday sales, arrived and is now in place. This one is black so isnt so obvious where it is. The white one that was there, is now to be repositioned and has a new black rubber cover (apart from the lens and the microphone/ speaker).

[AndrewC]

2 minutes ago, TheQ said:

and an increase in air and sea miles on Imported foods, increasing the CO2 generation of this country..

Even without this change the cost and availability of many foods in the UK is going to change radically after Jan 1. The complexities and friction introduced by border controls will make it uneconomic for many hauliers and smaller suppliers in the EU to do business with the UK. One estimate I've seen could mean freight charges could triple as demurrage and other costs get applied to cover increased expenses. One small olive oil supplier in Italy has already introduced a flat 50€ handling fee for every UK order. One thing that seems to be forgotten is even with all the agricultural land in the UK at 100% productivity, we can only feed 35m people according to DEFRA. While reduction in damage to the land is a long term good thing, in the short term it will boost the amount of imported food the UK needs. 

On a personal basis, my long standing Dutch beer supplier has stated it is no longer viable to ship to the UK after Jan 1. (total rework of their web site to calculate Dutch VAT, removal thereof, calculate UK VAT and UK duty based on each beer's strength, shipping, and export costs, EU alcohol export license, and registration with HMRC to collect the VAT on their behalf) 

[BoD]

Morning all.

 

I’ve Just got up so no longer an ER in the true sense.  
I must have needed it after the excitement of the weekend.  

I’m beginning to think hibernation a good idea.  

 

@newbryford Thoughts are with you, your brother and families, Mick.

[Winslow Boy]

41 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

The only names I know are Judith Keppell (I think) who won Millionaire, and Fred Housego the London Cabbie who won Mastermind (jeez, that was forty years ago) and went on to do TV and Radio work

 

 

It's about time that the Gov. made it law that all packaged food shows a standard traffic light system for nutritional information - far too many items still have a table on the back which is of little use to Man nor Bear.  Cake should be exempt though, instead being replaced with a "Who Gives A Sh1t" statement.

 

I see some good news for the environment is imminent, though I suspect that Farmers are none too impressed; those wishing to eat may have a harder time too, as will their wallets:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55102891

 

Bear will be having a slightly easier day today, to include doing the washing (fortunately a lot easier with these spinny roundy washing machine thingies - I can easily recall my mum doing the washing with a hoover twin tub, variations of which are still sold by Currys though not made by Hoover).

I also need to go into "plan mode" to determine the best preferred way of boxing in the stairs with plasterboard.

I've heard that from Jan 1st there will be a limit on how long UK residents can spend in the EU (3 months in every 6 apparently) which will no doubt impress (not) my mate's wife next door (they have a place in the south of France).  Seems she's decided that driving out there on the 20th Dec is a good idea - he's not overly pleased with the idea due to C-19, but has learnt that on some things it's easier to go with the flow (she's NEVER ever wrong - and will never EVER admit to being wrong even when he proves so.....).  As an example, I mentioned that some roofers have dumped some asbestos sheet in the alleyway which runs behind our houses; buddy's wife says it's not asbestos but actually the plinth off some kitchen units.  Well since it's covered in the remnants of cement staining I know where Bear's money lies.......

Dear Bear I am shocked and shocked again for I would have thought that a Bear of your wisdom and insight would have known that what you have described is Standard Operating Procedure for women. Good god my good bear you have taken a severe drop in my estimation. If it wasn't for this r....y virus you would be being sent away to attend a Man Awareness Information Nurture Tutorial Educational Normallacy Additional  Notification  Compliance    Exercise or MAINTENANCE for short. As this is not possible you are suspended from cake snaffling exercises or oggling you stash of Felicity Kendal photos for one week. Go to your room at once and just think on how lucky you are that I read your posting before anyone else.

[jonny777]

Another dull and misty day in North Somerset, although not as foggy outside as it was when I went to bed yesterday evening. 

 

Best wishes to all those who seem to be going through some bad times at the moment. It does make me think that my constantly aching joints (damp weather phenomenon) pale into insignificance in comparison. 

 

Not a lot to do today, although took the opportunity to clean the bathroom sink while up there earlier. Will have to hoover and then clean out the fireplace, but am not in the mood for sawing wood - which I need to do for logs at Ch*****as. Sometimes I jam the smaller branches in the Workmate and set my electric saw on them. It certainly gives my wrists a good massage, but is not good for the saw blades. 

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2020 by jonny777

[Andrew P]

Thoughts this morning for Mick, @newbryford and family.

[New Haven Neil]

Morning, no walk as it is sipping down.

 

Supportive rays directed to the BoD's, Mick and Chris, and anyone else in need.

 

iD's comments about carbs and fructose are exactly what I discovered in my own research about T2 diabetes, the worrying thing is the DESMOND course as delivered to the newly diagnosed by the NHS does not seem to have read the same papers!  AKA bloody useless. I ended up arguing with the facilitators, together with another attendee who had also 'read up', they were telling us to eat spuds and pasta - nightmare.  I have mentioned Dr Jason Fung's book 'The Diabetes Code' before, anyone with T2 wanting to find out what is really going on is strongly advised to get it and absorb.  It also has a lot of references to follow up if you so wish. OK, end of rant.

 

BTW, 'Burgen' soya and linseed bread has 11g of carbs per slice, that's about the lowest I have been able to find.