Early Risers.

[leopardml2341]

We seem to have an echo......echo......echo......

[Tony_S]

Actually probably more than a thousand years. Aditi’s Dad was sometimes known to complain about how Alexander the Great’s troops had affected the sub continent. 

[jamie92208]

Yes gone for a burton is definitely not connected to the tailoring empire. That one is a "Full Monty" as in a full suit, tie, shirt etc from one of Montague Burton's shops.  As to words from the sub continent in English usage, therecare quite a few. Wallah was a regular in our home, char for tea and I believe bungalow also came from India.  The one we were talking about a few days ago was 'going doolalli or dollalli tap'  I believe that relates to a group of army officers who went bonkers after drinking from an infected tap when stationed at Doolalli.  My maternal grandfather worked in India for many years and my mother and many of her sisters were born there so quite a few Hindi words were in use at home.  We also gad home made curries on a regular basis.

 

Jamie

[Tony_S]

45 minutes ago, jamie92208 said:

char for tea

In Hindi “char” is four, probably most used in charpoy , a bed with four legs allegedly. How the chaiwallah became char wallah is probably due to European interpretation. Chai blends are now sold in Waitrose. Indian English has many loan words that are no longer used in British English, or used differently. Aditi’s cousin told me he had “fired someone”. This wasn’t an employee, it was someone he had been angry with. 

[Kingzance]

Regrettably and despite my having entered the London Festival at the Ally Pally in our shared diary, I am now unable to attend because the broomstick driver has now invited people and their pets to stay here whilst she swans off to tea in The Ritz. I hope those who make it will have a very good time, I only wish that I was going to be meeting up with you all.

 

P!ssed off much more than Gerald the Gorilla

[J. S. Bach]

2 hours ago, jamie92208 said:

 ...snip... That one is a "Full Monty" as in a full suit, tie, shirt etc from one of Montague Burton's shops. ...snip... Jamie

I had heard the the phrase "Full Monty (or maybe Monti)" used in reference to something in a card game, although I do not remember which game.

[The Stationmaster]

Afternoon all,

 

Deolali was I understand a transit camp for British service personnel and some tended to get stuck there for whatever reason but allegedly particularly when waiting transfer back to the UK thus causing them to get hacked/browned/p**'d off or  go doolalli. Although the general usage developed onto somebody going bonkers/barmy etc.

 

Now as to on/off switches it reminds me of an ISA job I carried on an experimental EMU conversion which was to test somebody or others new control application to see if it was safe to use amongst BR signalling and track circuit circuitry.  I had to check through the operator instructions and most of it was no problem .  But there was section about the switching procedure to turn it from a unit drawing 25kv ac of the overhead to a unit drawing dc from the 3rd raili.   All very straightforward apart from one yawning chasm in the instructions - they only covered the procedure properly in one direction but not the other and various switches which were supposed to be made in one direction were not listed as to be opened when going to the other system.  While the test programme would never have resulted in it standing where both electrification systems were on use it was not essentially dangerous - it just wouldn't work on dc.

 

And today we have been Tesco - where it would seem that 'panics' were the most popular items in the shop.  In fact almost as popular as the work of what were very obviously tin can eating locusts.  Very busy for a Monday and populated by a considerable number of shoppers I have never seen either in the shop or even elsewhere in the town in the past.  So perhaps the frightened of Woodley (where a case has been confirmed over the weekend) are not prepared to shop there but happily spreading their germs and viruses in our direction, as well as emptying the shelves.  We - I will admit - bought slightly larger quantities of stuff we would have been buying anyway plus one or two items to add to our existing emergency stock that lives under the stairs along with the baked bean mountain (which is now only about a dozen tines so well down from its peak of nearly 40 a couple of years back  - I always used to buy them when they were on special offer, the current stock also came that way  ).

 

Rather more amusing is that on arrival home I was directed to take some packets of frozen veg out to No.2 freezer in the garage where I decided to do a quick stock check of only part of two drawers.  Between them they contained the European chicken and sausage mountains so the management have been given a brief report.  And they are sausages from the butcher in Pangbourne - easily identifiable because they are in ice cream boxes (how else would you store sausages in a freezer?.

 

Very sorry to see that KZ will not be joining us at the (yet to be suspended ?) show at Ally Pally.   You could of course put your foot down and say you bagged the date first - we've got plenty to eat in the No.2 freezer and it could probably be defrosted before you arrive here with your bed roll and sore head.

 

Enjoy the rest of your day one and all

[81C]

Afternoon All

Its been a nice day here took the little dog for his first walk of the year the footpaths through the woods are drying out so it's safe for me underfoot with Zeus towing. 

Can't be #rsed to write any more enjoy what's left of it. 

                                                                                                  B.O.Redtofruck. 

[AndyID]

6 hours ago, Kingzance said:

In my book, you can’t beat fresh basil, chives, coriander and parsley in dishes and as a garnish. 

 

Yeuch, blech, pitoowy! Hate the stuff. Tastes like soap infused with stale perfume.

[AndyID]

Here's a nice list of quite a few of the words English has borrowed from India.

 

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/have-a-dekko.html

[Tony_S]

Back from Basildon. The consultant was very happy with the condition of my skin as a result of using her prescribed ointment. Come back in a year. Suggested getting someone (or get a mirror) to regularly check for new moles or other blemishes, any concerns see GP who will prescribe the appropriate medication. The car park payment machine is too complicated for many of the users. Fortunately we do know our registration number...

 

[Tony_S]

21 minutes ago, AndyID said:

 

Yeuch, blech, pitoowy! Hate the stuff. Tastes like soap infused with stale perfume.

Wikipedia mentions this that for some people the lemony taste is identified as soap. A specific gene it would seem. 

[Gwiwer]

33 minutes ago, AndyID said:

 

Coriander

 

Yeuch, blech, pitoowy! Hate the stuff. Tastes like soap infused with stale perfume.

 

SWMBO suffers from that condition.  About 15% of everyone apparently finds that coriander tastes like soap.  I enjoy it and it tastes like coriander to me.  Apparently it is all connected with the smell receptors which govern our taste.  https://this.deakin.edu.au/self-improvement/hate-coriander-heres-the-scientific-reason-why

 

Which reminds me - I have to attend to the kitchen where a lamb curry will not make itself and neither will the coriander apply itself to the top as a tasty garnish.  

[AndyID]

9 minutes ago, Tony_S said:

Wikipedia mentions this that for some people the lemony taste is identified as soap. A specific gene it would seem. 

 

Quite a lot of us experience it. It's a bit like the gene that lets you curl up you tongue to form a sort of tube. Some can and others have no idea what I'm talking about 

[leopardml2341]

Ads.....

 

 

She's back; obviously didn't sell

[Northroader]

Her kneecaps have faces on them. AY and PP?

[Tony_S]

1 hour ago, AndyID said:

 

Quite a lot of us experience it. It's a bit like the gene that lets you curl up you tongue to form a sort of tube. Some can and others have no idea what I'm talking about 

Also durian fruit. They smell and taste vile to some people and not at all to others. 

[New Haven Neil]

Evening.

 

Frazzled.

 

Nice to see Polly driving, they were the only trains running when we were there last year, the big ones in Betty-Co-Ed were having a holiday or something.  Some of our bottle caps are in that hippo.

 

Coriander is nice on fresh tuna I think.  Got the taste for it in Portugal many moons ago.

 

There was a lot of Indian phrases at sea, but some of our ships had Indian crews so not surprising - sanny-panny = sanitation water, ie for flushing the bog. 

 

Achha sahib.

[Ozexpatriate]

2 hours ago, AndyID said:

Here's a nice list of quite a few of the words English has borrowed from India.

 

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/have-a-dekko.html

Also "veranda(h)" which a bungalow traditionally had.

 

... early 18th century: from Hindi varaṇḍā, from Portuguese varanda ‘railing, balustrade’.

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by Ozexpatriate

[PhilJ W]

Evening all from Estuary-Land. No bread pudding in Tess Coes today but I am reliably informed that there will be some available tomorrow or Wednesday. A brief history of Deolali here >>

https://www.gaebler.info/2013/04/the-madness-at-deolali/

My dad was in the XIVth Army and passed through there on his way to Burma and back again.

[Ozexpatriate]

Interesting conversation around idiomatic expressions.

 

"Gone for a Burton" never made it into use in Australia (as far as I know) and certainly not in the US.  "The Full Monty" became familiar through the movie, but not before then. Nor has "Doolally / doolali" made the move, though I note with curiosity that doolally passes the US spell check embedded in Chrome on Windows so the lexicographers have gobbled it up.

 

Plenty of Royal Navy expressions are of course mainstream outside the UK, but not "two, six, heave". The Wikipedia page for this expression does not really add clarity but does include an interesting footnote for "toot sweet" not that people appear to use this very often.

[Gwiwer]

A couple of thoughts from a wayward brain.  

 

I had thought "the full monty" originated with Montezuma and was somehow linked with the complete return of the contents of one's alimentary canal as in "The full Montezuma's revenge".  Nothing definitive but this link leans towards that possibility https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Montezuma's_revenge

 

"Gone for a Burton" can relate to the Cockney rhyming slang for "rent" which is "Burton-on-Trent" or more commonly just "Burton".  If unable to pay the rent and been evicted - a distressingly frequent event it seems - one could be said to "gone for a Burton".  https://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/burton-on-trent

 

Deolali was the featured location in the TV sit-com "It Ain't Half Hot, Mum" wherein certain of the characters had most definitely gone doolally.  

 

I have not come across "Two - six - heave" but am familiar with and have often used the shorter term "Six" as the cue to lift a heavy object - usually where more than one person is involved and co-ordination is required.  

 

"Toot sweet" is from French "tout de suite" meaning "right now" which is the usual meaning when used in English.  

 

And on that note I shall retire for the night and bid you all a good one and a sound sleep.  

 

 

[leopardml2341]

Not much to report, so just goodnight.

 

I realise my 'goodnights' are often quite early, but so is work tomorrow.

 

Also, I might forget if I leave it later

Edited March 2, 2020 by leopardml2341

[JohnDMJ]

Wiki reports an interesting take on two-six-heave in relation to naval gunnery in that of the six crew per gun, evens were on one side, odds on the other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_six_heave, potentially reducing this option to cannon fodder?

Edited March 2, 2020 by JohnDMJ

[Tony_S]

9 minutes ago, leopardml2341 said:

Not much to report, so just goodnight.

 

I realise my 'goodnights' are often quite early, but so is work tomorrow.

 

Also, I might forget if I leave it later

I am not staying up too late tonight. If I want breakfast tomorrow it has to be at about 5am. I do get a chance to have a snack after being injected with thallium compounds and before having my gamma photograph and ct scan. It is the cheese sandwich and sausage roll snack which seemed to work last time. One patient got sent away to eat more while I was waiting. Aditi has made a sandwich to take too. Watching me eat mine last time made her feel hungry. 
We had a couple of interesting chats today with young people.  Nephew Paul submitted his PhD thesis and was chatting about job offers and also how the Coronavirus is being managed where he lives in Germany. The other online chat was with one of Matthew’s friends (lots of them still contact us) . He was going to China by rail across Russia soon but it looks as if he may have to terminate in Mongolia now. 

Tony