RMweb Gold Not Jeremy Posted Friday at 19:43 RMweb Gold Share Posted Friday at 19:43 (edited) This is an image that Matt and I have purchased the rights to for his forthcoming "Milk on the Rails" book, due to be printed next week. It may be me(!) but I can't "square" the photograph and the location given on Rail Online's excellent website; https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p766079789/ea7b7846 The shape of the telegraph poles and the position of a power line in the background don't match any pictures or maps of the line that I can see or find in the vicinity of Barkston. Can anyone help please? There is a huge collective knowledge on here covering multiple locations and railways, so hopefully.. I may have missed something blindingly obvious, of course... Yours hopefully Simon Edited Saturday at 06:38 by Not Jeremy tat for that 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROY@34F Posted Friday at 19:56 Share Posted Friday at 19:56 It looks to me just south of Barkston South junction on the up main line heading towards Peascliffe tunnel , a few miles north of Grantham . Regards , Roy . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted Friday at 20:15 RMweb Gold Share Posted Friday at 20:15 (edited) I don't think it is Barkston. Below are three of Dad's photos. They are taken before and after the date of the photo you are asking about and the telegraph poles do not match. The background hill seen in the Deltic photo also doesn't match. Barkston A4 60003 Andrew K McCosh up ex pass c1953 JVol5064 Barkston WD up goods c1960 JMImageX04 Barkston Class 55 Edinburgh to Kings X March 70 J2085 David Edited Friday at 20:16 by DaveF 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Not Jeremy Posted Friday at 20:42 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted Friday at 20:42 (edited) Those are beautiful photographs David, thank you ever so much for sharing them with us on this thread. Also I am relieved (in a way) at your conclusion, backed up by those superb images, I suspect that the picture is not taken on the East Coast main line at all, so where is it? Maybe the West Coast main line somewhere? Also, it is a very long train for a loaded milk service and the BR standard brake van is unusual, so possibly an empty working? In which case, if northbound, then the shadows suggest a morning working... Edited Friday at 20:43 by Not Jeremy Relief of releived 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted Friday at 21:10 RMweb Premium Share Posted Friday at 21:10 Just down the road is Great Gonerby, not far from Barkston and there is a tunnel, and the line is straighter than at Barkston. The photo says c1963, but if it were c1961 it might fit. Allington junction would be in the distance, which is where the line splits towards Barkston. There is something going on towards the end of the train, that might be earthworks for the A1 Grantham bypass which was being built, opening in 1962. If that was the case, it would be an up train about to join the ECML at Grantham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted Friday at 21:12 RMweb Gold Share Posted Friday at 21:12 (edited) D319 appears to have spent all its life allocated to the WCML, from 1961 to 1966 it was allocated to Crewe North. https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=319&loco=319 So I would agree that perhaps it is a photo taken on the WCML. David Edited Friday at 21:13 by DaveF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke West Posted Friday at 22:10 Share Posted Friday at 22:10 56 minutes ago, DaveF said: D319 appears to have spent all its life allocated to the WCML, from 1961 to 1966 it was allocated to Crewe North. https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=319&loco=319 So I would agree that perhaps it is a photo taken on the WCML. David Hardendale , new sidings for Coalvilles lime works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted Friday at 22:18 RMweb Gold Share Posted Friday at 22:18 1 hour ago, DaveF said: So I would agree that perhaps it is a photo taken on the WCML. The extended top arm to the poles with red insulators (for power @ 110V ?) is characteristic LMS practice. Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinRS Posted Friday at 23:19 Share Posted Friday at 23:19 (edited) This image looks to have been taken at the same location. I searched on 'Shap' having noticed the historic use keys and chairs on one line and the Pandrol clamps on the other. I get the impression, based on the limited number of images, that this photo was taken from a signal box. The Class 47 image is supposedly linked from https://picclick.co.uk/Original-35mm-slide-BR-Brush-Cl31-at-unid-375190892913.html though I can't find it. Does the train reporting number 1M35 hold any clues? Edited Friday at 23:20 by MartinRS Link URL 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinRS Posted Friday at 23:34 Share Posted Friday at 23:34 Could the heaps in the photo beyond the fence be spoil heaps from the quarry in OS grid square NY5518 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinRS Posted Friday at 23:42 Share Posted Friday at 23:42 The photo was taken from the B6261 road overbridge I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinRS Posted Saturday at 00:33 Share Posted Saturday at 00:33 This photo of https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p779147002/h6b4bc71#h6b4bc71 with the caption Brush Type 4 No D1951 has just passed Shap Quarry. 3M35 was the Glasgow Gushetfaulds to London (York Way) up Freightliner train in late 1967 nails it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Not Jeremy Posted Saturday at 06:36 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted Saturday at 06:36 Brilliant Thank you very much to everyone for responding, especially Stoke West and Martin RS, a definite location! That is incredibly helpful, and a great relief after being utterly baffled. I will let Tony at Rail Online know so the he can correct the info on his site.and alter the book proof too. Another demonstration of how great is RMweb. Simon 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Not Jeremy Posted Saturday at 10:56 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted Saturday at 10:56 As a postscript, the class 47 freightliner caption is not quite right, this location (and that of "our" photograph) is looking north from the B6261 road bridge at Shap Gate, as Martin says above. The power lines in the background are what prove this point. Sorry, I have become a bit obsessed with all this. Back to reality... Simon 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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