RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 As the proud owner - thanks Tony Wright - of eleven Trix 'whisky' wagons, I now wish to complete their livery by adding correct wagon numbers. These are the first series of the prototype wagons, as opposed to the later series modelled by Lima. Does anyone know the original number series? Also, not all of the models are in the iconic blue livery - there is also one in yellow Maltsters Association of Great Britain livery, and one in plain grey BRT livery. Were these exceptions from a separate number series, or random examples from the main series? Any assistance will be gratefull received. CJI. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Details are given on pages 38/9 of the Cheona wagon profile No.9 .... but some at least got rebuilt with heavier springs and were renumbered into the 77xx ( etc ) series ..... though they seem to have got coil springs later - just to complicate matters. Lentran : 15/4/80 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 26 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: Details are given on pages 38/9 of the Cheona wagon profile No.9 .... but some at least got rebuilt with heavier springs and were renumbered into the 77xx ( etc ) series ..... though they seem to have got coil springs later - just to complicate matters. Lentran : 15/4/80 Thank you - I will go and check whether I have that book on my shelves. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted July 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 Just having a quick look in Colin Marsden's Rolling Stock Recognition:2 BR and Private Owner Wagons which describes the original wagons with the advertising boards as PAF with an illustration of original condition BRT No. 5816 and also of BRT No. 7586 with no advertisement boards. Note that these wagons have 10 side support struts as per the Trix (and Peco N gauge) wagons where as the wagon in @Wickham Green too's photo only has 7 struts and I think is a photo of the Lima type wagons. Just to confuse matters @Wickham Green too is correct in that some of the original 10 strut wagons were modified to have Pedastal suspension similar to one in the photo above, I think that the hopper is a different dimension as well but am not certain about this. I would imagine that Paul Bartlett's website will have photos of wagons in the different number ranges. I also have seen an article in a Train Formations bookazine (BRM ?) that has a section for Whiskey wagons which would give good information, I'll try and dig it out later. Regards, Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, 03060 said: ... Whiskey wagons ... No - the thread's about Whisky wagons - Whiskey wagons only ran on 5'3'' or 3' gauge ! 🤪 Yes, 7795 was a seven-ribber at the time but its unidentified neighbour had ten ........... might the former have had a new body not just fresh paint ??!? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) As I mention on my site, David Ratcliffe has published about these:- Ratcliffe, David (1994) Whisky on the Wagon - the operational history of the BRTE Bulk grain vans. Modellers Backtrack vol. 4 (part 1) pp 04 - 10. I have added more information on origins, suspension and operating company to the introduction of https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop Paul Edited July 26 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold C126 Posted July 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26 I think @03060 is referring to Rail Express Modeller's 2018 Train formations handbook. Pp. 56-61 covers grain traffic, with p.57 having eight pictures of various wagons. Unfortunately, the captions are cock-eyed! There is a photo (David Ratcliffe) of BRT7624 with double-link leaf-spring suspension in bauxite and no advert on the side. (Correct) caption reads, "The first two batches of BRTE grain vans had eight-ribbed body sides, as illustrated by BRT 7624 - recorded in internal use at Mossend in July 1990. This was one of the 35 initially leased to the Maltsters Association, many of which were repainted bauxite in the late 1970's." Hope this helps. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 26 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 Thanks all for the info - I can now get on and design and print some number transfers. CJI. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted July 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: No - the thread's about Whisky wagons - Whiskey wagons only ran on 5'3'' or 3' gauge ! 🤪 Yes, 7795 was a seven-ribber at the time but its unidentified neighbour had ten ........... might the former have had a new body not just fresh paint ??!? Thanks for this photo @Wickham Green too as it helps me to confirm that I was wrong and that the hopper is the same size on both wagons (having also looked at comparable photos on Paul's website.) This helps me enormously as I model the West Highland in N and should now be able to use the Peco kits and some pedastal 3d printed chassis from Coventry Railworks to make decent models of the Grainflow wagons ... I had thought that there would be a lot more 'butchery' involved. This has been a very useful thread to me, thanks to all. Just off to write out the word Whisky a 100 times as an educational improvement !! 🤣 Regards, Ian. Addendum .... or maybe not ... see post a couple of posts down ! Edited July 26 by 03060 Correction to statement ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26 50 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Thanks all for the info - I can now get on and design and print some number transfers. CJI. Ooooh, interesting! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 26 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 31 minutes ago, 03060 said: Thanks for this photo @Wickham Green too as it helps me to confirm that I was wrong and that the hopper is the same size on both wagons (having also looked at comparable photos on Paul's website.) This helps me enormously as I model the West Highland in N and should now be able to use the Peco kits and some pedastal 3d printed chassis from Coventry Railworks to make decent models of the Grainflow wagons ... I had thought that there would be a lot more 'butchery' involved. This has been a very useful thread to me, thanks to all. Just off to write out the word Whisky a 100 times as an educational improvement !! 🤣 Regards, Ian. Look more closely! Specifically the height of the vertical section at the top of the end. Without any doubt, the seven ribbed one is shallower than the ten ribbed one. Also, there is a distinct difference in the height of the vertical section of the sides. Sorry! CJI. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 26 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Ooooh, interesting! Mike. Sorry, just numbers - and for my own use only. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 If the livery of the nearer wagon was typical - and it looks like it might have been - then you're not going to need a lot of numbers ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 26 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: If the livery of the nearer wagon was typical - and it looks like it might have been - then you're not going to need a lot of numbers ! This 'whisky wagon' rake is purely an exercise in nostalgia - and will be in ex-works pristine condition. It'll join my Roadrailer and Blue Circle 'Silver Queen' rakes. CJI. Edited July 26 by cctransuk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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