RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted Wednesday at 16:26 RMweb Premium Share Posted Wednesday at 16:26 16 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: At the university where I work (not in teaching), sadly there are some who have yet to learn those skills by the third year... Well, they'll be the ones that get the thirds and lower seconds. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted Wednesday at 17:03 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:03 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: https://rchs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/GWR-STNS-GWJ-STNS-1941-TO-1947-COMBINED-ISS-C-31-03-2024.pdf That's a terrific resource. Thanks. (I will be making a reference to it on gwr.org.uk) Back on subject of 'Parkway' stations, here is the list of GWR (not the modern imposter) station names with 'Road'. I've omitted names that include obvious realname roads, e.g. Plymouth (North Road). BODMIN ROAD BERKELEY ROAD BRANSFORD ROAD BREAN ROAD HALT BRIXTON ROAD BUILTH ROAD CEMMES ROAD CHURCH ROAD CLARBESTON ROAD DRYBROOK ROAD DERWYDD ROAD DINGLE ROAD HALT GRAMPOUND ROAD GWINEAR ROAD GADLYS ROAD PLATFORM HADLOW ROAD HARTON ROAD LLANRHYSTYD ROAD LLANSILIN ROAD MAENTWROG ROAD LONGDON ROAD MATHRY ROAD MELLS ROAD MITCHELDEAN ROAD PLEALEY ROAD PONTYPOOL ROAD RAGLAN ROAD CROSSING HALT ST. ANDREWS ROAD ST. COLUMB ROAD SOUTHAM ROAD & HARBURY SOUTHERNDOWN ROAD SPEECH HOUSE ROAD SPRING ROAD TALLEY ROAD HALT TRIMSARAN ROAD WANTAGE ROAD Edited Wednesday at 17:31 by Miss Prism 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted Wednesday at 17:36 RMweb Premium Share Posted Wednesday at 17:36 9 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: That's a terrific resource. Thanks. (I will be making a reference to it on gwr.org.uk) Back on subject of 'Parkway' stations, here is the list of GWR (not the modern imposter) station names with 'Road'. I've omitted names that include obvious realname roads, e.g. Plymouth (North Road). BODMIN ROAD BERKELEY ROAD BRANSFORD ROAD BREAN ROAD HALT CHURCH ROAD CLARBESTON ROAD DRYBROOK ROAD DERWYDD ROAD DINGLE ROAD HALT GRAMPOUND ROAD GWINEAR ROAD GADLYS ROAD PLATFORM HADLOW ROAD HARTON ROAD LLANRHYSTYD ROAD LLANSILIN ROAD MAENTWROG ROAD LONGDON ROAD MATHRY ROAD MELLS ROAD MITCHELDEAN ROAD PLEALEY ROAD PONTYPOOL ROAD RAGLAN ROAD CROSSING HALT ST. ANDREWS ROAD ST. COLUMB ROAD SOUTHAM ROAD & HARBURY SOUTHERNDOWN ROAD SPEECH HOUSE ROAD SPRING ROAD TALLEY ROAD HALT TRIMSARAN ROAD WANTAGE ROAD Some of those aren't traditional GWR "Road" stations (the nearest station to a distant town). For example Dingle Road is on Dingle Road in Penarth (and Alberta Place station was at the other end of town). Raglan Road Crossing Halt didn't serve Raglan (there was station named Raglan closer to the village). Church Road served Lower Machen. I expect there are others. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted Wednesday at 17:47 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:47 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: Some of those aren't traditional GWR "Road" stations Yes. That's why I clarified 'obvious realnames', i.e. only the ones I knew were real road names. The listing is a flavour, not scientific evidence. Also, the scope of the source doc is 1941-47, so a wider date range could throw up further examples. Edited Wednesday at 17:53 by Miss Prism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted Wednesday at 17:47 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:47 42 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: That's a terrific resource. Thanks. (I will be making a reference to it on gwr.org.uk) Back on subject of 'Parkway' stations, here is the list of GWR (not the modern imposter) station names with 'Road'. I've omitted names that include obvious realname roads, e.g. Plymouth (North Road). BODMIN ROAD BERKELEY ROAD BRANSFORD ROAD BREAN ROAD HALT BRIXTON ROAD BUILTH ROAD CEMMES ROAD CHURCH ROAD CLARBESTON ROAD DRYBROOK ROAD DERWYDD ROAD DINGLE ROAD HALT GRAMPOUND ROAD GWINEAR ROAD GADLYS ROAD PLATFORM HADLOW ROAD HARTON ROAD LLANRHYSTYD ROAD LLANSILIN ROAD MAENTWROG ROAD LONGDON ROAD MATHRY ROAD MELLS ROAD MITCHELDEAN ROAD PLEALEY ROAD PONTYPOOL ROAD RAGLAN ROAD CROSSING HALT ST. ANDREWS ROAD ST. COLUMB ROAD SOUTHAM ROAD & HARBURY SOUTHERNDOWN ROAD SPEECH HOUSE ROAD SPRING ROAD TALLEY ROAD HALT TRIMSARAN ROAD WANTAGE ROAD St Andrews Road is actually located just off St Andrews Road, the road between Avonmouth and Severn Beach, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted Wednesday at 17:55 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:55 Worle station opened in 1990, I remember that when it was in the planning stage it was intended to be a Parkway station. I think there were disagreements between Regional Railways and Cross Country about cost so it was built with platforms only 4 coaches long, and Cross Country trains have never been timetabled to call there. When the station opened on quite a few occasions various guards incorrectly announced the next station as 'Worle Parkway'. Interestingly the approach road on the north side is named Park Way, while the newer car park on the south side is named Worle Parkway Diamond Batch Car Park, cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted Wednesday at 19:26 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:26 I was wondering where North Road and Stapleton Road would fit into the listing (or not). Then there are the Streets, Lanes, Gardens and a single Broadway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mol_PMB Posted Wednesday at 19:35 RMweb Premium Share Posted Wednesday at 19:35 1 minute ago, Peter Kazmierczak said: I was wondering where North Road and Stapleton Road would fit into the listing (or not). Then there are the Streets, Lanes, Gardens and a single Broadway... Edgware Road? Not sure if that quite counts as GWR, certainly not in the 1940s list. But some of these ought to be in the list I think (ffordd = road) GROESFFORDD HALT MINFFORDD PANTYFFORDD HALT PEDAIR FFORDD 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted Wednesday at 20:53 RMweb Premium Share Posted Wednesday at 20:53 3 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: Some of those aren't traditional GWR "Road" stations (the nearest station to a distant town). For example Dingle Road is on Dingle Road in Penarth (and Alberta Place station was at the other end of town). Raglan Road Crossing Halt didn't serve Raglan (there was station named Raglan closer to the village). Church Road served Lower Machen. I expect there are others. Clarbeston Road actually is the name of the village it serves; Clarbeston is a hamlet about 2-3 miles away. Ironically though, when the station opened it was called Cross inn, because the railway passed through next to the cross roads where the pub was. When the station moved to the opposite side of the bridge, the station became Clarbeston Road and the village which developed gained the name of the station, rather than the other way around. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted Wednesday at 23:00 RMweb Gold Share Posted Wednesday at 23:00 4 hours ago, Miss Prism said: Yes. That's why I clarified 'obvious realnames', i.e. only the ones I knew were real road names. The listing is a flavour, not scientific evidence. Also, the scope of the source doc is 1941-47, so a wider date range could throw up further examples. A widening the date range definitely throws up more - Wallingford Road (with a building still surviving) closed when Cholsey & Moulsford station was created as the junction for Wallingford). Farringdon Road (renamed Challow when the Farringdon branch from Uffington was opened. Odd that it wasn't named Challow Road although it was nearer to Challow that it was to Farringdon but even odder that it is slightly nearer to Stanford-In-The-Vale than it is to either of the Challows). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted 20 hours ago RMweb Gold Share Posted 20 hours ago 14 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: https://rchs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/GWR-STNS-GWJ-STNS-1941-TO-1947-COMBINED-ISS-C-31-03-2024.pdf Thanks Mike. As Miss P says, a useful resource. Appendix B: "LIST OF STATIONS WITH AMBIGUOUS DATES" is 6½ pages long. This to me suggests proper research. I see a few "Unadvertised Halt for football specials" in there. Opportunities for a quick layout 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 16 hours ago, Compound2632 said: No. 1 Son, currently a PhD student, does some first year undergraduate teaching. His view is that ChatGBT produces essays that are at the level of a middling first year undergraduate - one who has yet to learn to assess, evaluate, and structure their material. Indeed Stephen. The thing that's often missing (and this applies to much material written about railways too), is critical analysis. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted 15 hours ago RMweb Premium Share Posted 15 hours ago Just now, Peter Kazmierczak said: Indeed Stephen. The thing that's often missing (and this applies to much material written about railways too), is critical analysis. Which is as much as to say that AI is mis-named. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 13 hours ago, Mol_PMB said: Edgware Road? Not sure if that quite counts as GWR, certainly not in the 1940s list. But some of these ought to be in the list I think (ffordd = road) GROESFFORDD HALT MINFFORDD PANTYFFORDD HALT PEDAIR FFORDD Not all are closed ....Pen-y-ffordd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penyffordd_railway_station#/media/File:From_the_level_crossing,_Pen-y-ffordd_railway_station_(geograph_4032576).jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago On 13/09/2024 at 16:43, Jeremy Cumberland said: might once have been called Something Road by the Great Western or Somewhere And [name of nearby barn] by the LMS. That bit made me laugh out loud. 🤣 I seem to recall reading somewhere that when Oldbury (on the WCML) was going to be rebuilt it was going to be named 'Oldbury Parkway', but ended up being named 'Sandwell & Dudley'. It does have a big car park.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators AY Mod Posted 13 hours ago Administrators Share Posted 13 hours ago 6 minutes ago, F-UnitMad said: Sandwell & Dudley The station for a town that doesn't have a station and a station that doesn't have a town. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt37268 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 29 minutes ago, F-UnitMad said: That bit made me laugh out loud. 🤣 I seem to recall reading somewhere that when Oldbury (on the WCML) was going to be rebuilt it was going to be named 'Oldbury Parkway', but ended up being named 'Sandwell & Dudley'. It does have a big car park.... Named after the local authorities that funded the upgrade work in the 1980’s Have a feeling it used to be Oldbury though, (have a feeling it may have even been Bromford Lane at one point) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audens Pledge Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago On 19/07/2024 at 14:15, Phil Parker said: Someone has emailed into BRM, and asked, "What is the criteria for naming a station with the name parkway?" I know it is out-of-town, and has a car park, but is there a definitive answer? I don't know if out of town is the criteria, as Port Talbot Parkway is very much in town. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago On 12/09/2024 at 14:48, Enterprisingwestern said: Then there's East Midlands Parkway, which seems to fall between about 3 stools, IMHO it would have been better being called Airport, connections being somewhat distant with a hit and miss directional bus service, and Leicester, which despite being the county town of the county the airport is in, doesn't get a mention, despite only being 5 miles more distant than Nottingham and Derby. On 12/09/2024 at 15:03, Ian Hargrave said: Road access carries heavy traffic and the M1 is frequently stuffed by tailbacks at the nearest intersection so if driving to the station for your train after exiting there,extra time is needed. The nearest area for “ convenience “ logically seems to be the south western edge of Nottingham. Midland Mainline, the then train operator, was pushing for this station. The airport angle was frequently mentioned but can't be much of a demand generator, as few people want to travel long distances to a regional airport especially when it's several miles from the station and for most of its history there's been no obvious way of getting between them. From discussion with people involved in the project, the real opportunity they saw was to tap into drive-up custom for London passengers from the surrounding area. But most such from the area south and west of Nottingham tend to drive to Grantham for the faster train service, and I suspect people further west would drive to the WCML instead. It served a useful role for a while when the Megatrain operation provided connecting coaches for London trains, but that ended when Stagecoach lost the franchise. And it may yet start doing better when the adjacent power station site is re-developed into a new business park. For park and ride into the "local" city, buses and trams are generally more suitable than national rail because they can offer "turn up and go" service frequency. Short-distance travellers won't want to risk waiting say 30min on a journey they could probably drive in less time, and those visiting from further away risk being delayed in traffic and also facing a long wait. They are more suitable for relatively local customers wishing to make a longer-distance outward train journey. I believe Oxford Parkway does both, with buses into Oxford and trains to London. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted 11 hours ago RMweb Premium Share Posted 11 hours ago 14 hours ago, Northmoor said: Clarbeston Road actually is the name of the village it serves As, of course, is Llandudno Junction. I wonder how many other places are named after the railway station, rather than the other way round. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Matt37268 said: Named after the local authorities that funded the upgrade work in the 1980’s Have a feeling it used to be Oldbury though, (have a feeling it may have even been Bromford Lane at one point) It was opened as Oldbury & Bromford Lane. The other Oldbury station was on a short GWR branch from Langley Green, it opened later than Oldbury & Bromford Lane (so the 'Bromford Lane' bit was not originally to distinguish it from that one) but closed to passengers as early as 1916. The branch remained open for freight (Oldbury Goods depot was further past the station) until the 1960s, when the depot was closed by BR & by 1970 the branch was curtailed by the M5 motorway as well. After that the remaining stub was used for chemicals traffic to Albright & Wilsons chemical works, until 1996, when ironically the opening of the Channel Tunnel put an end to the continental ferry tankers that were the staple traffic by then. Edited 11 hours ago by F-UnitMad 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Burnham Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: As, of course, is Llandudno Junction. I wonder how many other places are named after the railway station, rather than the other way round. Swanley Junction for one - the sizable place that developed around the station was known by that name for many years (the LT Country Area garage had code SJ), while the little village of Swanley is a mile or so away. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: As, of course, is Llandudno Junction. I wonder how many other places are named after the railway station, rather than the other way round. Ratho Station west of Edinburgh. There's at least one in North East England too, can't immediately remember where. And did the distinction between Eaglescliffe and Egglescliffe arise because the railway got the station name wrong? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Bus Driver Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) On 12/09/2024 at 15:03, Ian Hargrave said: Road access carries heavy traffic and the M1 is frequently stuffed by tailbacks at the nearest intersection so if driving to the station for your train after exiting there,extra time is needed. The nearest area for “ convenience “ logically seems to be the south western edge of Nottingham. That would have been better becoming either Kegworth Parkway or Donington Parkway, as it's handy for Kegworth, East Midlands Airport and Donington park. Handy for when Download is on, of course. But I still wouldn't have used the term 'Parkway' even though a Parkway is, iirc, a type of landscaped highway (not unlike a motorway, in fact) Edited 6 hours ago by The Evil Bus Driver Me and my terrible punctuation 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted 6 hours ago RMweb Premium Share Posted 6 hours ago 27 minutes ago, The Evil Bus Driver said: But I still wouldn't have used the term 'Parkway' even though a Parkway is, iirc, a type of landscaped highway (not unlike a motorway, in fact) The "Parkway" that Bristol Parkway railway station was named after was the M32 motorway, and I don't think there was anything special about it in terms of landscaping. At least one website suggests it got the name because it cut through Stoke Park. However, with the building of Bristol Parkway railway station, "Parkway" came to mean a railway station whose primary purpose was for people to drive to and park at when making a train journey. Early "Parkway" stations such as Alfreton and Mansfield Parkway and Tiverton Parkway were opened to serve towns some miles away, but these days the term has expanded so much I am not sure what it means. Didcot Parkway is closer to the centre of Didcot than many railway stations are to the towns they are named after, but the name "Parkway" suggests that the town is miles away. Don't get me started on Ashford International. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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