Stone Traffic MSV build

[MJI]

MSV Iron Ore Tipplers for Stone Traffic

Parkside PC63 kits.

 

 

These tended to run in fixed sets roughly one pool per rake. From memory the pools were not often mixed up.

 

The rakes tended to be between 20 and 32 wagons long.

 

The supplied transfers are no use at all for a stone traffic MSV.

 

The kit buffers do not seem to represent the real ones, they look a bit like compressed ones. I fit more accurate buffers from Lanarkshire Model Supplies.

 

About 60% of these B018 * (see next post)
http://www.lanarkshiremodels.com/lanarkshiremodelsandsupplieswebsite_079.htm

 

About 40% of these BP01 # (see next post)
http://www.lanarkshiremodels.com/lanarkshiremodelsandsupplieswebsite_159.htm

 

A lot appeared to have the same roller bearing axle boxes, SKF it appears. Use the ones in green, bits in red are for the spares box.

 

Some use TIMKEN, hooded ones from here.

https://www.chiversfinelines.co.uk/shop/p/sp401-roller-bearings-sprue-00emp4

 

 

 

 

Edited July 15 by MJI
TIMKEN / SKF

[MJI]

Transfers, see Railtec, they will do custom sets, they have a mixed set, and also most of Pool 7603 from my commision.

 

His generic set

https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=1330

 

Pool 7603

https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=11337

https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=11336

 

He will be willing to add 7665 if enough ask

 

B018 *

BP01 #

 

Numbers of known wagons in  pools

 

7601   ARC Whatley to Fareham
B385687 # SKF

 

7603   ARC Whatley to Fareham
B385939
B385963
B386038
B386311
B385758
B385909
B386479
B386422
B386155
B385824
B386176
B386440
B388941
B386410
B386019 *  TIMKEN (no stone markings) (picture in Rolling stock recognition: 2)
B385830
B388846
B388960
B386416
B387647

 

7621
B385925 * SKF
B388420 # SKF brake end TIMKEN other end
B388834 # SKF

 

7623
B386075 # TIMKEN
B386078 * SKF

 

7625
B386341 * SKF

 

7627
B386513 * TIMKEN

 

7631
B386049 * TIMKEN

 

7635
B385794 * SKF
B385953 * TIMKEN
B386544 * SKF
B388173 * TIMKEN
B388803 # TIMKEN brake end SKF other

 

7639
B388427 # SKF

 

7641
B385946 * SKF
B388365 # TIMKEN

 

7649
B388192 # SKF

 

7653
B386524 # SKF

 

7661
B386569 * TIMKEN

 

7663   Foster Yeoman Merehead to Theale
B385893 * SKF
B386096 * TIMKEN
B386613 # SKF
B388197 # SKF
B388853 # SKF

 

7665  Foster Yeoman Merehead to Theale
B388825
B388969
B385675
B388709
B386111
B386097
B388749
B388991
B386637
B386249
B389061 # SKF (see note)
B386380
B388142
B388408
B385673
B386158
B389030
B389035
B388721
B388363

(note) I spotted as B389081 as the Paul Bartlett photo shows a repainted number, I suspect the 6 was damaged to look like an 8

 

7669
B388448 # SKF

 

8279 as ZKV usually big TOPS boxes like MSVs
DB388391
DB380399
DB386457

 

I will be starting wagon 12 build with photos.

Edited July 15 by MJI
RiverCider info.

[MJI]

Contents.

 

The stone appears to be a mix, sometimes grey, sometimes beige, weathered in streaks on the side.

 

Photos of Tytherington quarry should assist as that was AFAIK one of the loading places. RiverCider has also pointed me to Whatley quarry.

 

Grey and Buff appears correct so the beige streaks from memory are correct.

Edited July 7 by MJI

[Mark Saunders]

MSV’s became ZKV when transferred to the Civil Engineers, known as Barbels. 
 

Originally built for iron ore but used for all sorts of other traffics such as sand, stone, scrap and coal.

 

There was also a small fleet of PSV’s built to the same design and used for iron ore to Irlam and later. Coal to Corby.

Edited July 6 by Mark Saunders

[MJI]

Now the ends, drilling is NOT easy, so I took the method using 2mm drill, if I could find my 1mm I would pilot first.

 

As is, drill through, lump off, finished

 

Ends are ready, one hole moved slightly, this will be hidden by the  buffer plate, this one is getting B018 as it will be B386019.

 

I have had four varnish fails, suspect not enough Klear, and the matt is too hard, will try finer coats with longer between on 8, 9, 10. With the 3 damaged having partial repaints and new transfers.

 

Edited July 6 by MJI
wrong buffers

[hmrspaul]

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv

 

Paul

[MJI]

33 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv

 

Paul

One of my research sources.

[MJI]

Glueing the ends to the sides, there is nothing in the instructions,  and it fits better the wrong way.

 

The side lip should be over the ends so wider shorter, yet fits together better narrower longer.

 

I glue them in pairs, then leave to set.

 

 

 

I use the square ends of steel rulers, after checking they are square, simple test is draw line on end, flip over, if it matches, it is square.

Edited July 7 by MJI

[Rivercider]

In a reply to a previous thread I was able to identify some of the TOPS pool numbers for MSO MSV and MTV working

out of the Mendips in 1975. At that date Pool 7603 was a 30 wagon MSV set working from ARC Whatley to Fareham along with Pools 7601, 7605, and 7607. Meanwhile Pool 7665 was a mixed Pool 20 MSV 20 MTV working Foster Yeoman Merehead to Theale along with similar set 7663.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/162893-tops-wagon-pool-identities/

 

Each Pool would contain a few spares above the number of wagons required for the contract load. There was also a spare set which was used as cover when the other sets each made their periodic visit to Barton Hill carriage and wagon shops for planned preventive maintenance. As you mention the sets were generally kept together so that maintenance dates were the same, though occasionally there was the odd interloper or two. 

 

cheers

[MJI]

Thanks for that, I will now list from wiki

 

Pale to dark grey Carboniferous Limestone and buff-coloured Jurassic oolitic limestone

[Southernman46]

Looking forward to updates on this build.

 

Thanks for the inspiration - I have 12 of these - built ages ago but in a box awaiting painted & transfers (always my Achille's heel - I'm rubbish at it). Now going to finish them off as Pool 7603 wagons.

 

I replaced all the buffers with LMS ones - mixture of Oleo & Dowty.

 

Scratch built 6 of these using Dapol tank kit chassis too for some variety - will finish them too 

 

Edited July 7 by Southernman46

[MJI]

These are the first 5 complete, except buffer stems.

 

4 are repaints, 1 is new.

 

They survived varnishing.

 

Two are upstairs awaiting part repaints.

 

Three are in just painted.

 

[MJI]

Hmm need more paint inside, will spray a bit in a week or two when I do some more minerals.

[MJI]

6 hours ago, Southernman46 said:

Looking forward to updates on this build.

 

Thanks for the inspiration - I have 12 of these - built ages ago but in a box awaiting painted & transfers (always my Achille's heel - I'm rubbish at it). Now going to finish them off as Pool 7603 wagons.

 

I replaced all the buffers with LMS ones - mixture of Oleo & Dowty.

 

Scratch built 6 of these using Dapol tank kit chassis too for some variety - will finish them too 

 

Get sheet B only as i will have most of sheet A left after 2 repairs

[MJI]

More buffers ordered, more kits on way, will continue this build later in week,

[MJI]

No pictures as not easy to capture, but the floors are too big, both too long and too wide.

 

I end up filing off roughly 0.3mm off each side, and about 0.2 off each end.

 

I will do a photo of the body later in week.

[MJI]

Body done and all OK

 

Start on another (3 of them)

 

I found my 1.0mm drills, so next three were drill through, then 2.0mm from back, then 2.5mm.

 

First solebar on

 

However it does not fit together, this varies from kit to kit and this is my way of handling too tight wheelsets.

 

File the bearings shorter, 1mm will do.

 

Recess the W Irons

 

 

They should not splay out now, this BTW varies from wagon to wagon, some are fine.

 

Edited July 15 by MJI

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

 

Apologies to those who have seen this elsewhere, but there is only one way to ensure that the solebars finish up in the right place and that is to use a jig, the kit cannot be relied upon to have the right bits in the right place to allow consistently square and level chassis'.

 

Mike.

[MJI]

42 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

 

Apologies to those who have seen this elsewhere, but there is only one way to ensure that the solebars finish up in the right place and that is to use a jig, the kit cannot be relied upon to have the right bits in the right place to allow consistently square and level chassis'.

 

Mike.

I removed most of the underside of mine to produce SPVs

[MJI]

Wheels in now, had to relieve one bearing slightly.

 

Week time now, so not much happening

[Richard_A]

20 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

 

Apologies to those who have seen this elsewhere, but there is only one way to ensure that the solebars finish up in the right place and that is to use a jig, the kit cannot be relied upon to have the right bits in the right place to allow consistently square and level chassis'.

 

Mike.

Now that eileens emporium is no longer trading, is there another stockist of these? 

 

I use the Brassmasters axle jig but another tool won't hurt. 

[Enterprisingwestern]

3 hours ago, Richard_A said:

Now that eileens emporium is no longer trading, is there another stockist of these? 

 

I use the Brassmasters axle jig but another tool won't hurt. 

 

I wouldn't honestly know having bought mine when Adam was a lad.

Bill is hereabouts, maybe a question?

 

Mike.

[MJI]

Just found another issue with the kit, SOME MSVs have Timken axleboxes, rather than SKF.

 

Roughly 70/30 to SKF from a first look, I will see if this is lot specific, but I suspect not.

 

I would fit some wagons with these.

 

https://www.chiversfinelines.co.uk/shop/p/sp401-roller-bearings-sprue-00emp4

Edited July 15 by MJI

[41516]

6 hours ago, Richard_A said:

Now that eileens emporium is no longer trading, is there another stockist of these? 

 

London Road Models took on the Brassmaster jigs and other bits, the Bill Bedford jigs might get released in the Scalefour stores alongside the W-iron etches (-? speculation on my part, see here)- downside if they do is you will need to be a member.

Edited July 15 by 41516

[MJI]