Pre-grouping wagon loads

[corneliuslundie]

Presumably these are going to travel First Class.

Jonathan

[Paul H Vigor]

30 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

Presumably these are going to travel First Class.

Jonathan

Rush Hour!

[jcm@gwr]

51 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

Presumably these are going to travel First Class.

Jonathan

 

Are ewe sure?

[magmouse]

5 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I think there's evidence for carboys by the wagon-load, packed in straw, or possibly packed in straw in crates, packed in straw?

 

Carboys in straw, sacking (?) and some kind of wire frames, it looks like. From Russell’s GW Appendix, if I remember correctly - I am away from home and can’t check.

 

Nick.

 

Edit - sorry, I realise Mikkel has already posted this.

 

 

Edited July 6 by magmouse

[magmouse]

3 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

So if the total of lions, rhinos and dragons awas just 0.1% of the livestock carried, how many wagons do I need in my model railway's total fleet before I can justify a ducking giraffe? ;-)

The 0.1% figure suggests you need to build 999 general merchandise wagons before you get your 1 giraffe truck, which is a bit daunting. However, giraffes (at least the ducking variety) go one to a wagon, and other livestock goes in multiples. If we assume an average of ten animals to a wagon, then you only need 99 wagons before you can justify a giraffe - much more manageable. Or just build a GWR Monster, specially strengthened for elephants.

 

Nick.

[magmouse]

Just to counter the earlier narrative (including mine) about all the interesting loads being sheeted, here are baskets and sacks without sheets, in what looks like a train in transit:

 

 

Photo originally posted here: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/113035-more-pre-grouping-wagons-in-4mm-the-d299-appreciation-thread/?do=findComment&comment=5309861

 

Nick.

 

 

[Worsdell forever]

Caramel wafers have always come naturally sheeted.

 

[Caley Jim]

Another commodity that was carried in open wagons was large blocks of building stone.

 

 

Jim

[magmouse]

Mention of stone prompts me to post this - slightly off topic, but I can’t resist:

 

https://goodnessgracious.co.uk/browse-our-catalogue/product/1194-weymouth-dorset-cargo-ship-unloading-port-hoist-stone-harbour/category_pathway-18

 

There are a few more photos in the sequence, at the same site.

 

Nick.

 

[Paul H Vigor]

2 hours ago, Worsdell forever said:

Caramel wafers have always come naturally sheeted.

 

To deter pilfering??

[Paul H Vigor]

1 hour ago, Caley Jim said:

Another commodity that was carried in open wagons was large blocks of building stone.

 

 

Jim

And also blocks of quality stone for monumental masons.

[magmouse]

12 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said:

And also blocks of quality stone for monumental masons.

Including slate, from North Wales and elsewhere - also for snooker tables (not quite in Stephen’s “once in a hundred years”, but heading in that direction….).

 

Nick.

[Caley Jim]

3 hours ago, Worsdell forever said:

Caramel wafers have always come naturally sheeted.

 

 

Not always!  I was at an event in Viewpark Parish Church a year or so ago and there was a plate of unwrapped caramel wafers.  I said to one of the lady's that it would be rude to come to Viewpark (next to Uddingston) and not have a caramel wafer.  She told me that when Boyd Tunnoch heard that there was a 'do' on in the church he would always send up a box of (unwrapped) caramel wafers!

 

Jim

[billbedford]

2 hours ago, magmouse said:

Mention of stone prompts me to post this - slightly off topic, but I can’t resist:

 

https://goodnessgracious.co.uk/browse-our-catalogue/product/1194-weymouth-dorset-cargo-ship-unloading-port-hoist-stone-harbour/category_pathway-18

 

 

Well, that's a Thames barge so the chances are that it is being loaded. 

 

 

[Compound2632]

2 minutes ago, billbedford said:

Well, that's a Thames barge so the chances are that it is being loaded. 

 

And frankly stone to Portland would be on a par with coals to Newcastle!

[Andy Hayter]

I thought Thames barges always had a mizzen mast, which seems to be lacking so it is probably another type of sailing barge.  [pedant off]  But that does not cut across the loading observation.

[Michael Hodgson]

4 hours ago, Caley Jim said:

Another commodity that was carried in open wagons was large blocks of building stone.

 

 

Jim

Wouldn't the weight of that much stone be something of an overload for the average 5 plank open rated at maybe 8 or 10 tons?

[kevinlms]

10 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

So if the total of lions, rhinos and dragons awas just 0.1% of the livestock carried, how many wagons do I need in my model railway's total fleet before I can justify a ducking giraffe? ;-)

42?

[MartinRS]

About half-way down the web page here from Railway Wonders of the World you can see an unusual GC open wagon with a 'wire extensions'. I've never seen this modelled or seen this type of open wagon modification in any other photograph.

[fulton]

On 07/07/2024 at 00:19, Andy Hayter said:

I thought Thames barges always had a mizzen mast, which seems to be lacking so it is probably another type of sailing barge.  [pedant off]  But that does not cut across the loading observation.

Could that be the mizzen mast at the edge of the picture? another in this series has a Thames Barge in the background, as a Medway man I always think of them as Thames and Medway barges. In Bob Childs book " Rochester Sailing Barges of the Victorian Era" he says stone from Portland was a regular cargo.

Edited July 10 by fulton
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[Annie]

3 hours ago, MartinRS said:

About half-way down the web page here from Railway Wonders of the World you can see an unusual GC open wagon with a 'wire extensions'. I've never seen this modelled or seen this type of open wagon modification in any other photograph.

I'm fairly certain that the N.E.R. used similar wire extensions on some of their open wagons.

[micklner]

35 minutes ago, Annie said:

I'm fairly certain that the N.E.R. used similar wire extensions on some of their open wagons.

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/wagons/nerdc003/

 

D&S also did a kit.

[sulzer27jd]

11 hours ago, magmouse said:

Including slate, from North Wales and elsewhere - also for snooker tables (not quite in Stephen’s “once in a hundred years”, but heading in that direction….).

 

Nick.

I think one of the main manufacturers of Snooker tables was based on the L&Y. 

 

John

[Worsdell forever]

2 hours ago, micklner said:

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/wagons/nerdc003/

 

D&S also did a kit.

 

My C3, cage isn't fixed as they were removable and they were only like this for a few years. Seen alongside a later pattern C2. The 51L kit i believe was the D&S kit. They also did a GN open with a cage. 

 

 

[Andy Hayter]

4 hours ago, fulton said:

Could that be the mizzen mast at the edge of the picture? another in this series has a Thames Barge in the background, as a Medway man I all ways think of them as Thames and Medway barges. In Bob Childs book " Rochester Sailing Barges of the Victorian Era" he says stone from Portland was a regular cargo.

 

It could be but I think whatever it is is on the quay and it looks a bit too tall for a Thames mizzen.  They generally reached up to just above where the mainsail branches away from the main mast.

 

- fellow former Medway man - Gillingham.