RMweb Premium alexross42 Posted June 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 26 (edited) I'm appealing to the hive-mind knowledge for help with this one :) I've acquired this slide but with no information at all. From examining the slide I've determined the following: - D1058 is in good exterior condition, suggesting it's more likely early to mid 70's? - There is a crew of two in the rear cab - The rear headcode suggests that the loco had previously been on a long distance passenger run such as Paddington to Penzance - It's a single track section - There's a string of lights coming across and attached to the telegraph pole - the ballast looks quite fresh, maybe recent overnight engineering works have taken place? - The bridge has some distinctive brickwork patches including a significant rebuilt section of red brick on the far parapet , if that helps anyone to identify it Finally, the loco was withdrawn in January 1977. Any and all ideas are much appreciated! Regards, Ross. Edited June 27 by alexross42 added detail about bridge brickwork 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwmtwrch Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, alexross42 said: The rear headcode suggests that the loco had previously been on a long distance passenger run such as Paddington to Penzance The 'A' shows a train to London. Depending on the year, it was possibly the Up "Cornish Riviera". I don't think it's a milk tank, because the tank barrel looks too small, the locations of the axleguard and brake handle look to be too far away from the bufferbeam, there is a horizontal rod between the end baulks, there is no auxiliary suspension and the cradle looks rather insubstantial. The tank size and the inward sloping end stanchions would seem to rule out a petroleum tank as well. My guess would be that it is possibly an acid tank. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nigb55009 Posted June 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26 Could it be St Erth, on the single line towards St Ives? The sidings beside the station served the milk depot, but the loco would need to use the branch, depending on the length of the train. When the train was ready for departure, or after arriving in the station and running round, it would have to access the yard via the branch. There is an old stone bridge that still stands, although it looks disused. It is now surrounded by the St Erth roundabout on the A30. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) I first thought of the original A30 bridge at St. Erth but the cutting is totally wrong for that. From Cornwall Railway Society website. Dolcoath is merely a siding so it's not there, neither is it Lostwithiel. I'm running out of milk distribution points in Cornwall. I even took a doubtful punt at Hemyock, nope. Did Falmouth have any milk traffic? If it's not a milk tank then I thought of Hayle Wharf. Wrong again, that's a straight iron bridge. Personally I still think it's a small diameter milk tank. Edited June 26 by Flood 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Could be somewhere in West Wales ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 26 Herefordshire? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium alexross42 Posted June 26 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 26 Thanks for all the responses so far....I wondered if it could be on the Torrington line (if we're still thinking it is a milk tank) ? But I don't think 52s ever ventured on it (maybe on railtours), would more likely be a 22 or 25? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26 41 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Herefordshire? No milk traffic I know of there Phil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted June 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26 Seems there's a train crew in the cab, so is it perhaps propelling its train? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mol_PMB Posted June 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, Cwmtwrch said: The 'A' shows a train to London. Depending on the year, it was possibly the Up "Cornish Riviera". I don't think it's a milk tank, because the tank barrel looks too small, the locations of the axleguard and brake handle look to be too far away from the bufferbeam, there is a horizontal rod between the end baulks, there is no auxiliary suspension and the cradle looks rather insubstantial. The tank size and the inward sloping end stanchions would seem to rule out a petroleum tank as well. My guess would be that it is possibly an acid tank. I agree that it's not a milk tank. As well as the points you raise, it has no lagging. As you say it's an unusually small tank so must be for a fairly dense product (like acid as you say, other chemicals, or perhaps specialist oils like transformer or lubricating oil). Also it can't be anything that needs a barrier wagon (note that the tank may be empty though). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Weed killer train? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 26 Water tank? For some wayside facility that doesn't have a mains supply? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium younGGuns7 Posted June 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 26 1A19 shows as up Cornish Riveria so a bit of a red herring 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Coombe Junction perhaps, propelling the tank to Moorswater for some purpose? There is certainly a skew stone over bridge immediately beyond the passenger platform there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted June 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 26 Interesting tank wagons and WR branches makes me think of the Octel works at Hayle, but the wharf branches topography doesn't fit. Simon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) @bécasseI like the idea of the skew bridge at Coombe Junction, with the train reversing towards Moorswater with a weedkiller train @woodenheadas there is no run-round at Moorswater. Coombe Junction would be to the right of the bridge. It would mean propelling from Liskeard but the china clay trains to Moorswater had to do that anyway. Of course, if it is a weedkiller train then it could be on any of the Newquay/Burngullow branches but I'd have to check if anything fitted for those. Scrap that, there is a farm directly to the West of the bridge. Oh well, at least the idea of a weedkiller train opens up more possibilities. Copyright Rail and Landscapes on Flickr. Edited June 26 by Flood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke West Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 5 hours ago, nigb55009 said: Could it be St Erth, on the single line towards St Ives? The sidings beside the station served the milk depot, but the loco would need to use the branch, depending on the length of the train. When the train was ready for departure, or after arriving in the station and running round, it would have to access the yard via the branch. There is an old stone bridge that still stands, although it looks disused. It is now surrounded by the St Erth roundabout on the A30. 8 hours ago, alexross42 said: I'm appealing to the hive-mind knowledge for help with this one :) I've acquired this slide but with no information at all. From examining the slide I've determined the following: - D1058 is in good exterior condition, suggesting it's more likely early to mid 70's? - There is a crew of two in the rear cab - The rear headcode suggests that the loco had previously been on a long distance passenger run such as Paddington to Penzance - It's a single track section - There's a string of lights coming across and attached to the telegraph pole - the ballast looks quite fresh, maybe recent overnight engineering works have taken place? - The bridge has some distinctive brickwork patches, if that helps anyone to identify it Finally, the loco was withdrawn in January 1977. Any and all ideas are much appreciated! Regards, Ross. 1A19 was the up Limited so loco worked Penzance to Plymouth then fresh loco with front portion attaching to Pad which then worked 2015 to Swansea 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke West Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 8 minutes ago, Stoke West said: 1A19 was the up Limited so loco worked Penzance to Plymouth then fresh loco with front portion attaching to Pad which then worked 2015 to Swansea The track has just been relayed using second hand from main line , looks like an engineers train stood on site judging by how the crew are posed , suggesting the tank is part of the engineers train 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26 Definitely the site of engineering work and the movement is probably connected with it. The headcode is basically irrelevant - it could have been left like that for a couple of weeks! I am wondering if it is a single lone? The angle of the bridge could be confusing and there is a lot of clean looking ballast beyond the loco and wagon plus there are c.16 circuits being carried on the telegraph pole which would seem rather a lot for a single track branch with the possible exception of Newquay. (which has at least one potential candidate for the Bridge - Travean might be worth closer examination). The other thing is the use of a D10XX which were barred from most branches - with the definite exception of Newquay and later Bodmin (but not the entire branch as far as I know). But the other big question is was the photo taken in Cornwall? West Wales is a possibility although on an engineering train a D68XX would have been a much more likely candidate for traction. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium alexross42 Posted June 27 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27 (edited) The 'chock' on the wagon (the supporting crossbeam under the tank) seems to be of quite a unique style, in that it starts off flat and then rises up to the side of the tank, which is quite unusual when comparing to other tank wagon images online. Taking this into account along with the lining on the tank and the buffer style, the excellent Paul Bartlett site has this sulphuric acid tank as a very close candidate: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mosacidtank/h7889dbe#h7889dbe Sulphuric acid being quite an effective weedkiller......... Edited June 27 by alexross42 clarifications 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke West Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 4 minutes ago, alexross42 said: The 'chock' on the wagon (the supporting crossbeam under the tank) seems to be of quite a unique style, in that it starts off flat and then rises up to the side of the tank, which is quite unusual when comparing to other tank wagon images online. Taking this into account along with the lining on the tank and the buffer style, the excellent Paul Bartlett site has this sulphuric acid tank as a very close candidate: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mosacidtank/h7889dbe#h7889dbe Just noticed the string of lights in foreground powered by portable generator hence confirming a worksite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold melmoth Posted June 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27 How about somewhere between Witham and Cranmore, or Frome and Radstock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BluenGreyAnorak Posted June 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27 (edited) Possibly Quintrell Down Overbridge carrying the A392? If looking south from the bridge, the track on the far side of the railway seems to match. https://maps.app.goo.gl/m75aY1Fq2QLsfcBQ7 Edited June 27 by BluenGreyAnorak 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 27 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27 What a fascinating discussion. The reversing suggestion is very plausible now I look at it. Must keep in touch as I'm intrigued. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 27 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27 13 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: No milk traffic I know of there Phil That is really interesting. I'd never realised that. Thanks. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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