Steamport Southport Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 19 minutes ago, RyanN91 said: Every diesel electric locomotive from classes 01 to 92! Plus all the DMUs and EMUs. That would take decades wouldn't it? They could go at the furthest either ends then work their way at random classes to the middle eg 01 and 92, then 25 and 35 hymek then 02 and 52 Western then 29 and 58 etc.... I'm not actually expecting Hornby or anyone to do them all! But if you consider the amount of models that have been made in the last 40 years and think that you'll get a similar amount over the next 40 years then that's an awful lot of models! Are modern day railway modellers spoilt? Look back at the 1970s catalogues and compare them to what is available today. There is as much already announced (and in some cases released) in the Hornby TT range than there was in the entire 1975 catalogue! http://www.hornbyguide.com/year_details.asp?yearid=12 Why is everyone so negative all the time..... Jason 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted June 18 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18 Newly tooled 'County'? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted June 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18 would not be surprised to see a new range at some point, all their now "2nd tier" modern era stuff still has a place, just not in the £200 bracket, they are still very good models in their own right, things have moved on and lots of little improvements stack up. If they reduced the 31,56,60,67 to name a few to the £120/130 i'm sure they would sell an awful lot of models, but they can't be in the railroad range as they are massively better models. Someone mentioned a few posts up about not knowing what to expect from Hornby, scale, era etc. That can be levelled at everyone except maybe AS who seem to have some joined up thinking right now. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, letterspider said: ...the sprung coupling cams not so great... Actually they are fine on all Hornby's twin bogie diesels I have seen: no surprise at all, the same base design as used on their carriages which work close-coupled beautifully (and also in combination with Bachmann's likewise equipped carriages). However, this is clearly for the owner to work out the necessary technique! Where Hornby flubbed. Failure to issue clear instructions on the necessity of a 'rigid bar' coupler to work such close-coupling mechanisms properly. Cheaping out, by subsequently only supplying their (overlength) version of the suitable Roco pattern coupler with carriages. Why not with all locos likely to pull such carriages, and all freight stock potentially matching such locos? Redoubling on cheaping out, by not fitting such mechanisms on twin bogie traction and matching vehicles with gangway connections, such as the HST and 91+mk4 where they would considerably enhance appearance. (Not looked at the likes of the Ambiguous Pazuma sets.) Future failure opportunity lurks in the announced Coronation set... Is this all due to an 'all-RTR OO brands-inability' to acknowledge the obsolescence of the OO tension lock coupler? Surely there are active modellers lurking within these operations that know better? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: Are modern day railway modellers spoilt? I was pleasantly surprised when Bachmann first waved their WD 2-8-0, Pepp A1, BR stds 2-6-4T and 5MT; mk1 carriages and 16T minerals at me. Twenty-some years on my flabber has been truly gasted. I am not spoiled mind, I had to pay for all this gorgeous stuff. Pleased and grateful sums it up. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18 8 hours ago, Legend said: From what was said on Jenny Kirk’s Monday Club, nothing was given away, but I got the feeling it’s a series of models . Maybe a revamp of Railroad range . What did they refer to in their financials , a new “capsule” range . Maybe that just means new tank wagons with Paracetomol, Ibruprofen,Viagra insignia! “capsule range”sounding like a bit of corporate bull**** that I am so glad I’ve retired from ! As the Annual Report will be hitting the streets shortly it could well be a capsule range announcement. Then they can say in the Report that they have done what they said they would be doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefen1988 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Maybe the announced N-Gauge or EM1. :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, 7013 said: Newly tooled 'County'? Far too sensible. The Great Bear is more likely. Edited June 18 by adb968008 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 13 minutes ago, adb968008 said: Far too sensible. The Great Bear is more likely. Which I feel is vastly more sensible looking at the prices that the M&L kits go for on eBay.... You can get the M&L County kit for about £30, for 111 you are looking £400 plus! Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pteremy Posted June 18 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18 Hornby have let so much low hanging fruit go by in recent years. They do some great GWR/WR coaches, and I have more than I strictly need. But otherwise I am selling the Hornby I Have because it is not DCC friendly, or newcomers are providing more accurate models than the 40+ year old toolings Hornby are still sweating. For me their Brand has none of the value that it had when I started getting back into the hobby 20 years ago. I would be happy for them to pull a rabbit out of the hat. But if they don't then, to be honest, my money is already happily committed elsewhere. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I'm not actually expecting Hornby or anyone to do them all! But if you consider the amount of models that have been made in the last 40 years and think that you'll get a similar amount over the next 40 years then that's an awful lot of models! Are modern day railway modellers spoilt? Look back at the 1970s catalogues and compare them to what is available today. There is as much already announced (and in some cases released) in the Hornby TT range than there was in the entire 1975 catalogue! http://www.hornbyguide.com/year_details.asp?yearid=12 Why is everyone so negative all the time..... Jason Yes Jason it would be amazing if they could I think we could all agree there! We can all wish though! Since the 1970s there has been all the big names from Hornby Tri-ang in OO Gauge; L&MR; Rocket, Tiger, Lion Locomotion No 1, LNER; A1 A2 Flying Scotsman, A4 etc GWR; King, Hall, County etc, LMS; Black 5, Princess,Turbomotive, Southern; Schools, Q1, battle or Britain etc, British Railways; 9Fs, Class 7 Brittania, Class 6 Clan, 2MT, 4MT etc BR Inter-City 125s, APT-Ps, Inter-City 225, Eurostar Class 373, Class 06, 08, 09, 20, 25, 29, 31, 33, 35 Hymek, 37, 40, 42/ 43 warship 47, 50, 52 western, 55 Deltic (forthcoming Dublo prototype too) 56, 58, 59, 60, 66, 67, 71, 73, 81, 86, 87, 90, 91 and 92, then the DUMs Class 101, 110, 121, 142, 153 etc and EMUs etc then all of the freight / maintainance and passenger rolling stock etc! That's a fantastic achievement in 50 so odd years! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 A number in that list are acquired toolings from Lima plus Dapol with the County 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Pteremy said: Hornby have let so much low hanging fruit go by in recent years. 23 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: A number in that list are acquired toolings from Lima plus Dapol with the County Perceptions are inevitably formed around interests. Hornby have done a fair job on LNER and BR(ER) steam traction, suitable Pullman cars and non-gangwayed compartmented passenger stock, and even a few useful wagons. Steady progress in evidence, the diecast bodied tender locos as good as anything currently in RTR. thus decent performance, assessed from the dry side. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 41 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: A number in that list are acquired toolings from Lima plus Dapol with the County Yes I know Ex Lima (Class 33) and Dapol toolings, I thought I included it in my post! Class 56 1998 model and 14xx to name a few! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said: A number in that list are acquired toolings from Lima plus Dapol with the County Hornby had a County in their range five years before Dapol even existed! Fifty or sixty years if you count the original O Gauge version, which I think came out in the 1920s. Jason 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I wonder if Hornby could benefit from purchasing the Vitrains 37 and 47 tooling. With a little bit of improvement it could give them two competitively priced and relatively decent popular models. The 47, once detailed, can look far better than the latest Heljan 47. Though, knowing Hornby they would probably rip out the nice big can motor and replace it with an inferior Limby bogie. They did that with the latest Limby 67s. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, scottrains29 said: I wonder if Hornby could benefit from purchasing the Vitrains 37 and 47 tooling. With a little bit of improvement it could give them two competitively priced and relatively decent popular models. The 47, once detailed, can look far better than the latest Heljan 47. Though, knowing Hornby they would probably rip out the nice big can motor and replace it with an inferior Limby bogie. They did that with the latest Limby 67s. Good point. There's certainly mileage left in Aunty's toolings, assuming they still exist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted June 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18 (edited) Only 12 hours and 35 minutes to go.... 14 minutes ago, scottrains29 said: I wonder if Hornby could benefit from purchasing the Vitrains 37 and 47 tooling. With a little bit of improvement it could give them two competitively priced and relatively decent popular models. The 47, once detailed, can look far better than the latest Heljan 47. Though, knowing Hornby they would probably rip out the nice big can motor and replace it with an inferior Limby bogie. They did that with the latest Limby 67s. There are two types of Hornby 67s, the full-fat one tooled by Hornby, and the Railroad one that came from Lima. I've examples of both, Cairn Gorm with TTS sound and Diamond Jubilee. The difference is easily spotted, you can see through the body grills on the main range locos, you can't on the Railroad ones. Chalk and cheese! Edited June 18 by Hroth Spotters guide... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 12 hours ago, Hroth said: There are two types of Hornby 67s, the full-fat one tooled by Hornby, and the Railroad one that came from Lima. I've examples of both, Cairn Gorm with TTS sound and Diamond Jubilee. The difference is easily spotted, you can see through the body grills on the main range locos, you can't on the Railroad ones. Chalk and cheese! I think you have misread my post. I am only talking about the ex Lima model here. The Lima model originally had a good mech. Hornby initially released it with a similar (to Lima) but better 5 pole centrally mounted twin flywheel motor with twin bogie all wheel drive with nem pockets. But on their latest release of the ex Lima model they have removed this superior drive and replaced it with an inferior 3 pole Limby motor bogie. I think they have also removed the nem pockets yet now marketed it as "Railroad Plus" !! Edited June 19 by scottrains29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 18 hours ago, 7013 said: Newly tooled 'County'? And tanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted June 19 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19 11 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: Hornby have done a fair job on LNER and BR(ER) steam traction But never a V2, despite Bachmann leaving the door open for years and years. I always found that puzzling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I'd love an LBSCR D1, but there will probably be another class xx diesel and perhaps an another express steam loco. Maybe in 5 years 10 years, Presumably, surely, EVENTUALLY, all the diesel classes will be exhausted by the various manufacturers leaving the extensive range of remaining steam locomotives free for the taking, right? RIGHT? Or will there be new 37s and 60s and whatever for eternity? 😅 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Something, anything without the "ultimate" tag... 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 19 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19 (edited) 10 hours ago, scottrains29 said: I wonder if Hornby could benefit from purchasing the Vitrains 37 and 47 tooling. With a little bit of improvement it could give them two competitively priced and relatively decent popular models. The 47, once detailed, can look far better than the latest Heljan 47. Though, knowing Hornby they would probably rip out the nice big can motor and replace it with an inferior Limby bogie. They did that with the latest Limby 67s. That boat sailed about a decade ago, they could have been very useful when vi stepped back. Whilst they might still be good toolings, I think the boat has sailed, though Heljans 47 does leave the gap for an upgraded vi 47 still but I think the demand isn't as high as it was a decade ago when more 47’s were running. Imo someone should have asked more probing questions or pressed the negotiations harder when they acquired Lima about these. Edited June 19 by adb968008 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Hornby facebook this morning says "Want to see the very first look of our new Hornby 00-gauge additions?" so i guess we now know what gauge the announcements will be. Perhaps one will be the 'Normandy' model that was shown on the latest TV series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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