Were any class 47/4s still running with domino headcodes in 1983 or even 1984

[SouthernBlue80s]

Most, if not all, seem to have had plated headcodes by 1982 and 1983

Did any blue 47/4s carry domino headcodes into 1983 or even 1984.

 

It is for a possible loco re numbering

 

Thanks

Steve

[Jeremy Cumberland]

47559 Sir Joshua Reynolds had domino headcodes in 1984: http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999000575000

There's a picture it newly painted at Crewe Works with the headcode panel plated over in May 1985.

 

Wikipedia has a picture of 47523 with dominoes as late as 1988. [Edit: Following @37114's post below, I've just checked and it's a plate painted black]

 

47464 had dominoes in 1986 [Edit: no it didn't - see below], but by then it was in large logo livery. There's a picture of it in rail blue with [genuine] dominoes in 1983 here: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/traction/20210401/281573768482810

 

They're the only 47/4s I've found from a quick search, but several 47/0s still had dominoes at this time.

Edited April 11 by Jeremy Cumberland
See 37114's post below

[SouthernBlue80s]

19 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said:

47559 Sir Joshua Reynolds had domino headcodes in 1984: http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999000575000

There's a picture it newly painted at Crewe Works with the headcode panel plated over in May 1985.

 

Wikipedia has a picture of 47523 with dominoes as late as 1988.

 

47464 had dominoes in in 1986, but by then it was in large logo livery. There's a picture of it in rail blue in 1983 here: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/traction/20210401/281573768482810

 

They're the only 47/4s I've found from a quick search, but several 47/0s still had dominoes at this time.

 

Thank you very much. That helps, as I had a search and could not find any.

47559 was one of the first 47s I saw, so it will probably become that.

 

[Dagworth]

Check photos of both ends though, fitting of speed sensing equipment as part of the deadmans in the mid 80s involved conversion to sealed beam lights at one end as the equipment went inside the old headcode box.

 

Andi

[Jeremy Cumberland]

Named locomotives are quite easy to find photographs of. Here are some others of 47559. It looks like headlights were fitted in late 1983/early 1984, but dominoes appear to have been retained at both ends till the works visit in 1985:

 

May 1983: No. 1 end. Dominoes and no headlight. https://davidheyscollection.myshopblocks.com/pages/david-heys-steam-diesel-photo-collection-40-br-diesels-1980s-1

 

14 June 1983. No. 2 end. Dominoes and no headlight. http://www.hondawanderer.com/47559_Hinksey_1983.htm

 

23 Oct 1983. No. 2 end. Dominoes and no headlight. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:47559_passes_Smithy_Bridge_signal_box.jpg

 

10 March 1984. No 2 end.  Dominoes and headlight. https://twitter.com/SalopianLyne/status/1279889953401589764

 

18 May 1984. No. 1 end. Dominoes and headlight. See previous post

 

20 August 1984. No. 2 end. Dominoes and headlight. https://www.flickr.com/photos/56249446@N06/53377772154/in/pool-4463329@N21/

 

 

14 Janaury 1985. No. 1 end. Dominoes and headlight. http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999000576000

 

5 May 1985 (freshly painted at Crewe Works) No. 2 end. Plated and headlight. https://twitter.com/SalopianLyne/status/1276635995333701634

 

[37114]

21 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said:

47559 Sir Joshua Reynolds had domino headcodes in 1984: http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999000575000

There's a picture it newly painted at Crewe Works with the headcode panel plated over in May 1985.

 

Wikipedia has a picture of 47523 with dominoes as late as 1988.

 

47464 had dominoes in in 1986, but by then it was in large logo livery. There's a picture of it in rail blue in 1983 here: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/traction/20210401/281573768482810

 

They're the only 47/4s I've found from a quick search, but several 47/0s still had dominoes at this time.

Looking at 47464, it lost the Dominoes pre large loco livery, when in large logo the plated headcode panel was painted black.

[Jeremy Cumberland]

1 minute ago, 37114 said:

Looking at 47464, it lost the Dominoes pre large loco livery, when in large logo the plated headcode panel was painted black.

 

Oh yes. I don't think I'd ever have noticed. It's very convincingly done. Here's No. 1 end:

 

The accident-damaged No. 2 end shows that it is plated, though:

 

The 1983 picture in Rail Blue at Eastfield I linked to earlier looks like dominoes though.

[SouthernBlue80s]

As an aside, for anyone one wanting to model at 47/0 that seemed to be running around with dominio headcodes long after most had been plated. 47285 is a good candidate

 

Here she is in 1985

 

Edited April 11 by SouthernBlue80s

[Hal Nail]

On 11/04/2024 at 22:09, SouthernBlue80s said:

As an aside, for anyone one wanting to model at 47/0 that seemed to be running around with dominio headcodes long after most had been plated. 47285 is a good candidate

 

Here she is in 1985

 

Is this not plated but with it painted black? I think you can see the raised edges of marker lights, or am I just imagining it?

[BR traction instructor]

...the white dots are the giveaway...definitely vinyl rather than convex glass lenses.

 

BeRTIe

[Hal Nail]

6 minutes ago, BR traction instructor said:

...the white dots are the giveaway...definitely vinyl rather than convex glass lenses.

 

BeRTIe

The plated lenses were flat at the no. 1 end? I thought the dots in that 285 photo were wider than most vinyl dominoes.

 

[BR traction instructor]

...the vinyl dots varied in spacing, vertical positioning and diameter as some were depot replacements after stone throwers smashed the glass panel.

 

Modelling a domino dot loco accurately down to such detail levels requires both end views around the date that you want to model a particular loco.

 

Probably the most debatable depot headcode vinyl lash up that I've seen on a 47 is on the cover of this book. Are we looking at 4 white vinyl zeros with black vinyl backing? Note the recently steam cleaned bogies.

 

BeRTIe

Edited July 26 by BR traction instructor

[Hal Nail]

35 minutes ago, BR traction instructor said:

Modelling a domino dot loco accurately down to such detail levels requires both end views around the date that you want to model a particular loco.

 

My point was, if i wanted a dominoes in 1985, I probably wouldn't rely solely on this photo given it looks like there are rubber grommets around both dots/lenses. It looks more like the format of D1648 but painted black to me.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 26 by Hal Nail
typo

[BR traction instructor]

...possible but a lot of trouble to go to.

 

BeRTIe

[griffgriff]

Looks like a messy weld if it’s plated?

[Hal Nail]

Here's another photo of it even later in May 86 plus one in 84 that does look like glass. Had I seen these without the previous mention of dates id have assumed dominoes without a second thought.

 

47009 was in banger blue but with black painted plated headcodes in '89 having been yellow previously though and looks exactly the same, so that did happen.

 

https://x.com/SalopianLyne/status/1615125154530574342/photo/1

 

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/witham-to-westbury.html (about 40 pics down)

 

https://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/oldsite/DUFFS.htm (19th pic down)

 

might be time to do something more constructive! 

Edited July 26 by Hal Nail

[Rugd1022]

I took this shot of 47 143 at Old Oak on a rather gloomy 26th January 1983, no idea how much longer it lasted with the dominoes though...

 

 

I have another photo taken that day showing four 47s round the table and one of them still has the dominoes as well, I'll see if I can find it.

 

 

[Opelsi]

From memory I think 47482 was one retaining proper dominos late on (83-85).

Think I have a photo buried somewhere.

[Dagworth]

579 seems to have hung on to a glass panel at no2end for a while

[45125]

On 26/07/2024 at 10:09, griffgriff said:

Looks like a messy weld if it’s plated?

The weren't welded in

[The Pilotman]

A quick Flickr search for 1984 revealed 47556 (also 47236, 47340 and 47376). 

[97406]

47007 complete with headlight and Stratford grey roof in 1985. I’ve modelled this one using the Vitrains model as the basis. Had to cut the headcode panel out and make a replacement from a bit of glazing material.

 

From Roddy McPhee’s most excellent collection on Flickr.